MN - Jacob Wetterling, 11, St. Joseph, 22 Oct 1989 - #15

[Sasquatch321]

Tinner007

I am intrigued that you accepted my lifes savings in a bet that DR is responsible. As a local resident who grew up with the story, and a neighbor who is a poi and hasnt been cleared yet, how can you be so sure he didnt do it?

 

[ELOCsoul]

What do you mean when you say that 'the gamechanger was when Kevin came forward.' I know what the term gamechanger generally refers to; but, I don't understand what you mean as you're using it here. Can you let me know what you mean by that comment.

I take his comment to mean that he figures DR was a suspect all along, but the presence of the car tracks, coupled with LE's belief that Jared's and Jacob's cases were related, and knowing that DR had an alibi for the night Jared was assaulted....they tended to discount DR as the perp. Once the car tire tracks were explained, they pulled that out of the equation and distanced the attacks on Jared and Jacob.

I'm not saying that's my belief, and not saying it isn't - I'm only saying that this is quite probably a nutshell version of LE's thought process, and it is possibly what Sasq was referring to.

 

[ELOCsoul]

Jacob's fingerprints are not on file according to Namus. How did this guy's fingerprints prove he wasn't Jacob?

I'm not sure, but I'll speculate that it's because the fingerprints proved the man's identity, and LE were able to determine that he could not have been Jacob. The articles didn't go into great detail, but that's probably about how it happened.

 

[shergal]

Jacob's fingerprints are not on file according to Namus. How did this guy's fingerprints prove he wasn't Jacob?

That guy had a record for something minor in his home state, which was why he didn't want to give his info in the first place. So his prints were already on file and proved it was him. (Which proved he wasn't Jacob.)

 

[tinner007]

Tinner007

I am intrigued that you accepted my lifes savings in a bet that DR is responsible. As a local resident who grew up with the story, and a neighbor who is a poi and hasnt been cleared yet, how can you be so sure he didnt do it?

Because I have not seen one piece of evidence that suggests he did do it. As I'm sure you are aware I was in DR's shoes in 2012. Named as a suspect by LE and convicted by the court of public opinion for a crime I didn't commit. If left to the public at the time and their beliefs and reliance on the actions and statements of LE, they likely would've been in favor of erecting the gallows behind the bar in Cold Spring to bring back public hangings. At least that's how it felt to me.
LE stated they had evidence against me in early December 2012: "The evidence that was there for his arrest made complete sense and it still exists," Kendall said. (http://www.mprnews.org/story/2012/12/05/news/funeral-service-tom-decker-cold-spring)
Which later changed to “At this time, the investigation has provide no information that Mr. Larson participated in Officer Decker’s death” – BCA news release on August 6th 2013
Where did the evidence go? I understand completely why I should have been question. Why they think they had the grounds to hold me will be determined at a later date and time. I did everything I could to try and help them.
That being said, it sounds somewhat like what DR is dealing with, grab someone close to the scene and throw him to the critics and let him be ridiculed by the public and hope he confesses. Then refusing to show any little piece of evidence they may have, likely, there isn’t any to show as Attorney Earl Grey stated 12/18/2012 in an interview with KSTP.
Now the search warrants issued for myself as well as DR were both signed by Judge Vicki Landwehr. Is it possible LE has her nailed to be an easy target to get warrants signed?
Bottom line is, I have seen zero evidence that points to DR. So to anyone who wants to point fingers, Give me just one, one piece of evidence that points in Dr's direction. Footprints that go halfway up his driveway and suddenly stop at a pivot mark, doesn't make him guilty. Because he lives at home with his parents, doesn't make him guilty. Because that's not the way you chose to live your life, or most people for that matter, makes him different from others....not guilty. Because you may "think" he acted strange, or "think" some question he answered didn't sit right with you, doesn't make him guilty. Seems everyone is quick to be the jury and determine one's guilt or innocence based on hearsay, or what they "think" happened without any knowledge of people involved or even any knowledge of the area. If anyone is basing their "guilty verdicts" on law enforcement actions or statements, may want to reconsider, considering local law enforcements success rate of solving such cases. What are they batting, 0% I believe, while the national average of locating missing persons is 97% I believe, please correct me if I’m wrong. I have yet to see any evidence that points to Dr. All you're doing is pushing bad information onto others, not to mention making someone's life more difficult than it needs to be.
OK, Rant over.

 

[shergal]

Here's a link to an older article about the Warroad man. He had fingerprints on file from an old traffic offense. He was cooperative, offered fingerprints and dental records, did not want to give DNA. The link on the original article no longer worked, so this is a photo of it:

http://s100.photobucket.com/user/shergal1/media/WarroadMan.jpg.html?sort=4&o=45

 

[Sasquatch321]

Because I have not seen one piece of evidence that suggests he did do it. As I'm sure you are aware I was in DR's shoes in 2012. Named as a suspect by LE and convicted by the court of public opinion for a crime I didn't commit. If left to the public at the time and their beliefs and reliance on the actions and statements of LE, they likely would've been in favor of erecting the gallows behind the bar in Cold Spring to bring back public hangings. At least that's how it felt to me.
LE stated they had evidence against me in early December 2012: "The evidence that was there for his arrest made complete sense and it still exists," Kendall said. (http://www.mprnews.org/story/2012/12/05/news/funeral-service-tom-decker-cold-spring)
Which later changed to “At this time, the investigation has provide no information that Mr. Larson participated in Officer Decker’s death” – BCA news release on August 6th 2013
Where did the evidence go? I understand completely why I should have been question. Why they think they had the grounds to hold me will be determined at a later date and time. I did everything I could to try and help them.
That being said, it sounds somewhat like what DR is dealing with, grab someone close to the scene and throw him to the critics and let him be ridiculed by the public and hope he confesses. Then refusing to show any little piece of evidence they may have, likely, there isn’t any to show as Attorney Earl Grey stated 12/18/2012 in an interview with KSTP.
Now the search warrants issued for myself as well as DR were both signed by Judge Vicki Landwehr. Is it possible LE has her nailed to be an easy target to get warrants signed?
Bottom line is, I have seen zero evidence that points to DR. So to anyone who wants to point fingers, Give me just one, one piece of evidence that points in Dan's direction. Footprints that go halfway up his driveway and suddenly stop at a pivot mark, doesn't make him guilty. Because he lives at home with his parents, doesn't make him guilty. Because that's not the way you chose to live your life, or most people for that matter, makes him different from others....not guilty. Because you may "think" he acted strange, or "think" some question he answered didn't sit right with you, doesn't make him guilty. Seems everyone is quick to be the jury and determine one's guilt or innocence based on hearsay, or what they "think" happened without any knowledge of people involved or even any knowledge of the area. If anyone is basing their "guilty verdicts" on law enforcement actions or statements, may want to reconsider, considering local law enforcements success rate of solving such cases. What are they batting, 0% I believe, while the national average of locating missing persons is 97% I believe, please correct me if I’m wrong. I have yet to see any evidence that points to Dan. All you're doing is pushing bad information onto others, not to mention making someone's life more difficult than it needs to be.
OK, Rant over.

The guy who shot Decker hung himself when they served a warrant on his residence imo. The evidence now is that LE has accused DR of changing his stories, he admits that himself. This would make sense that he did do that when the gamechanger (kevin) came forward. Why is an educated man changing his story suddenly? The other evidence is that he is still a poi with items still being tested behind closed doors. The option that he killed Jacob is open for discussion Imo.

 

[tinner007]

The guy who shot Decker hung himself when they served a warrant on his residence imo. The evidence now is that LE has accused DR of changing his stories, he admits that himself. This would make sense that he did do that when the gamechanger (kevin) came forward. Why is an educated man changing his story suddenly? The other evidence is that he is still a poi with items still being tested behind closed doors. The option that he killed Jacob is open for discussion Imo.

Why is he a POI? What is this "label" based on? LE says? I'm well aware LE says a lot... but don't back it up. You are entitled to your opinion, and feel free to make public accusations based on what LE says. In 2005 Sanner made a statement to The Maple Lake Messenger that Josh Guimond likely wandered into a swampy area and sank in the mud. Do you believe that statement as well? Anyone who makes a statement like that, deserves no credibility.

 

[Sasquatch321]

Why is he a POI? What is this "label" based on? LE says? I'm well aware LE says a lot... but don't back it up. You are entitled to your opinion, and feel free to make public accusations based on what LE says. In 2005 Sanner made a statement to The Maple Lake Messenger that Josh Guimond likely wandered into a swampy area and sank in the mud. Do you believe that statement as well? Anyone who makes a statement like that, deserves no credibility.

I actually do believe it is a possibility, the Trident foundation did not find him in their extensive search of the ponds and lakes, but even the best searchers and technology could miss someone buried in mud. I could go to the mississippi river right now and sink up to my knees in mud at the bank, just like my dog did last night. I read about drunk people falling into bodies of water and dying as well. Back to DR, ask the lab whats up, and if it's clear, you can have the money.

 

[tinner007]

I actually do believe it is a possibility, the Trident foundation did not find him in their extensive search of the ponds and lakes, but even the best searchers and technology could miss someone buried in mud. I could go to the mississippi river right now and sink up to my knees in mud at the bank, just like my dog did last night. I read about drunk people falling into bodies of water and dying as well. Back to DR, ask the lab whats up, and if it's clear, you can have the money.

It's my opinion there is nothing at the lab. Nothing takes 5 years to test, not even DNA. As far as asking the lab, I received a letter from Sanner as well as the County Attorney Kendall that states I am not allowed to visit or phone any of their buildings. I would have to think this is due to them not wanting to answer any questions. You can keep your money, or donate it to a charity.

 

[simonsez]

tinner... in the MPR article, Kendall says, "The evidence that was there for his arrest made complete sense and it still exists." Did they ever provide you with that evidence?

 

[Trackergd]

Reading over the last few pages, one might wonder why both LE and the local media slam doors in peoples faces, and in some cases become dismissive or mildly hostile when this case is discussed.

How many things do LE, Local Government and the media agree on? Not many. And for the three to keep a united front for this many years? Something is really rotten in Sterns County and I'm confident that one or more people loose sleep at night in fear that it will become public knowledge.

Mossad may have been cryptic, but not all that far off.

 

[Jewelia]

Reading over the last few pages, one might wonder why both LE and the local media slam doors in peoples faces, and in some cases become dismissive or mildly hostile when this case is discussed.

How many things do LE, Local Government and the media agree on? Not many. And for the three to keep a united front for this many years? Something is really rotten in Sterns County and I'm confident that one or more people loose sleep at night in fear that it will become public knowledge.

Mossad may have been cryptic, but not all that far off.

I AGREE! It is possible that DR changed his story out of fear? Fear of what he knows, and fear of what the SCSO will do to him if he leaks what he knows. The SCSO is a mighty powerful force. What I mean by that is that they can ruin lives based on information that is completely false. The SCSO has been completely dismissive of very important evidence. How do they even know what it is if they refuse to look at it? I know what it is, but they've been dismissive and off putting to this woman. They say her tapes aren't credible, and that SHE is not credible. How can they do this if they haven't look at what she has?

When she spoke with the sheriff he asked her two personal questions that had nothing to do with the JW case. That was the end of the interview. Maybe it's not the complete answers, but it may lead to the answers/more evidence.

The SCSO has a very poor record, I really feel something is gravely wrong in the SCSO. If they have evidence of DR, and have had it for a long time, then get on with the charges. 25 years is a long time to play with someone's life. I know that certain things can't be shared, as it may affect the case. However, DR could have disappeared a long time ago, and he's stayed put, and offered his help. I haven't ruled DR out completely, as he may have been in the mix somewhere.

They need to look at the evidence that has been offered to them long ago. Why won't they? Just because they're LE, doesn't mean they don't lie. They lie A LOT. There are corrupt cops. They can make an investigation go in any direction they want. I'm not saying all who are in the SCSO are lying/corrupt.
Maybe they need to start from the beginning, and start with some of the first suspects they considered, then move forward.

However, this should be done with different people. New eyes and brains are needed on this. This is just something to think about. LE can make it appear they're going in the right direction, and make the public think they are. That doesn't mean they are. I can see there's some cops that worked very hard on this, and many long hours. I'm just considering that some of them aren't completely honest..... Based on what I know: which is that they haven't look at all the evidence.

There's a wickedness going on in that county.

 

[chaplain1]

Stearns Co is straight out of Faulkner. It's not evil, it just is what it is

 

[thenotebook]

Kevin was the gamechanger in that they can now focus on someone on foot rather then in a vehicle. His footprint and the unidentified tire track had to be accounted for, it finally was. It's not him and now the focus has zeroed back to the guy whose house was searched days after the abduction. For the reason that he withheld crucial evidence the first night IMO. Unless, and this is a big unless, kevin deleted the other vehicle.

Kevin's footprint? I'm not sure what you are talking about. No suspect footprints have ever been discussed by LE.

 

[thenotebook]

Here's a link to an older article about the Warroad man. He had fingerprints on file from an old traffic offense. He was cooperative, offered fingerprints and dental records, did not want to give DNA. The link on the original article no longer worked, so this is a photo of it:

http://s100.photobucket.com/user/shergal1/media/WarroadMan.jpg.html?sort=4&o=45

I don't understand why people refuse to give their DNA, unless they've committed a crime and they don't want their DNA put into a database. So what is this guy hiding?!

 

[Jewelia]

It's not the SCSO as a whole, but there's at least a couple of people in LE that are definitely not playing a straight game. There's wickedness in the county, because there's also people outside of LE who are evil (abby---and some of those associated with the abby).

Put it all together, and you've got a mess getting in the way, and it's affecting a very high profile case that needs to be FULLY investigated. The people in LE, and elsewhere who are trying to solve this case can't do much in there's a couple people in LE involved who are not looking at ALL the information. No one can prove they have looked at everything, but there's people that can prove they haven't.

 

[BethAnn777]

That guy had a record for something minor in his home state, which was why he didn't want to give his info in the first place. So his prints were already on file and proved it was him. (Which proved he wasn't Jacob.)

Go easy on me here, I don't mean to be ignorant but I still don't get it. So the guy has fingerprints on file from a traffic offense. If this guy was Jacob then it would have been Jacobs prints that were obtained during the traffic offense which would match his acual fingerprints proving that he is not Jacob. Or the opposite scenario applies too. What am I not getting here?

 

[tinner007]

tinner... in the MPR article, Kendall says, "The evidence that was there for his arrest made complete sense and it still exists." Did they ever provide you with that evidence?

No, they never showed anything to me. It's impossible for them to show me anything as I wasn't there, had no part of it, and had absolutely no knowledge of what happened until I was taken in. Then I gave them permission for everything they asked for to be tested.

 

[scotgirl]

Go easy on me here, I don't mean to be ignorant but I still don't get it. So the guy has fingerprints on file from a traffic offense. If this guy was Jacob then it would have been Jacobs prints that were obtained during the traffic offense which would match his acual fingerprints proving that he is not Jacob. Or the opposite scenario applies too. What am I not getting here?

I think if they had his fingerprints from another time they would perhaps be able to confirm his identity to a person who can be traced all the way back to ?childhood proving him not to be Jacob. He may have looked like the age enhancement of Jacob at that time but if they could check his background they would know from previous booking photos or tracing his family that he didn't perhaps look anything like Jacob before. Does this make sense?, think i might be confusing myself.