MN - Jacob Wetterling, 11, St. Joseph, 22 Oct 1989 - #15

[chaplain1]

Chaplain, do you think DR possibly committed just one crime, and do you think Hollinger possibly committed only one crime?

If so, do you think that would make them unusual in terms of the behavior of pedophiles? (Having only one victim, resisting impulses forevermore?)

I don't know enough about Hollinger to answer. I doubt he has stopped molesting given his current activities.

If he did it, DR would have had tremendous luck and his parents also returned. I think it is conceivable for him to have acted in this way one time. I think the circumstances would classify this an impulse sexually-motivated crime. He also lives in a bubble.

My DR theory would be that he saw the Wetterlings leave, saw the boys on bike, waited, abducted, kept Jacob in house, somehow disposed body.

 

[chaplain1]

I really wish we could have an independent expert look at the tracks.

 

[Trino]

I was thinking about Jacob's case today and I wondered -- what if at some point DR was found guilty in connection with Jacob's abduction -- how would all the parents whose kids have been taught by DR for the last 25 years feel? Would they feel angry at Stearns County sheriff for allowing children to be in a potentially unsafe situation for so long?

And, how would they (and the kids) feel knowing he was not involved?

 

[ThePhantom]

Chaplain, I think our own Trackergd may have offered to review pictures of tracks from the crime scene that LE had taken. I don't think Stearns was interested. Gotta keep that investigation under wraps for as many decades as it takes.

Trino, I'm kind of playing devil's advocate here. If Stearns really believes DR abducted, sexually assaulted and possibly murdered Jacob, one would think they would advocate to remove him from any position in which he daily interfaces with children. I mean they did name him as being the only official POI in Jacob's abduction.

 

[chaplain1]

Chaplain, I think our own Trackergd may have offered to review pictures of tracks from the crime scene that LE had taken. I don't think Stearns was interested. Gotta keep that investigation under wraps for as many decades as it takes.

Trino, I'm kind of playing devil's advocate here. If Stearns really believes DR abducted, sexually assaulted and possibly murdered Jacob, one would think they would advocate to remove him from any position in which he daily interfaces with children. I mean they did name him as being the only official POI in Jacob's abduction.

Someone tried to remove him. I think it was parents.

 

[shergal]

From the link above regarding PW:
My self Bob Guimond, Brian Guimond and Patty Wetterling were in the Command Trailer...
(modsnip)

So on Patty's quote, do you think she was saying she puts the importance of her foundation (or its income?) ahead of tasking Stearns County with properly looking into Jacob's case? Because that seems bizarre to me. I realize she said it in confidence to the Guimonds. I wonder if she's aware her comment is out there online?

 

[Jewelia]

Chaplain, I think our own Trackergd may have offered to review pictures of tracks from the crime scene that LE had taken. I don't think Stearns was interested. Gotta keep that investigation under wraps for as many decades as it takes.

Trino, I'm kind of playing devil's advocate here. If Stearns really believes DR abducted, sexually assaulted and possibly murdered Jacob, one would think they would advocate to remove him from any position in which he daily interfaces with children. I mean they did name him as being the only official POI in Jacob's abduction.

I have to wonder if Jacob's abduction will ever be solved. I would think they'd have to turn the SCSO upside-down with a large oversight committee, and start from scratch; from the night Jacob was taken.

Regarding what Patty Wetterling said about the Foundation: I've heard the same thing, and I'm in OHIO. This information has leaked all the way to Ohio, and I'm sure further. I'm not sure what she means, but it's an ODD statement.

 

[Sasquatch321]

Yeah, right. We all believe the items are still being tested. Since 2010, that's certainly a long test.

What are the items that have been tested or are testing?

 

[Sasquatch321]

DR should have never talked to the media. One thing he's made clear in his letter to 14 different agencies is that LE is flat out accusing him of being responsible. Or thats a joke to make the real perp feel bad for him? And DR has been on LE's offense since the beginning. No, LE has flat out accused DR of being responsible imo.

 

[Trino]

What are the items that have been tested or are testing?

Sasquatch, you've been on this forum long enough to know the answer to that.

 

[Sasquatch321]

Sasquatch, you've been on this forum long enough to know the answer to that.

I know the last thing LE said was the items are in the lab for future testing, and that they aren't going to rush them. As far as I know we don't have follow up yet.

 

[thenotebook]

Chaplain, do you think DR possibly committed just one crime, and do you think Hollinger possibly committed only one crime?

I don't think Hollinger has committed only one crime. We know there was evidence destroyed, records cleared, online articles removed about previous incidents. But WHY? Why does this man have so much power over LE?!?

 

[Sasquatch321]

I don't think Hollinger has committed only one crime. We know there was evidence destroyed, records cleared, online articles removed about previous incidents. But WHY? Why does this man have so much power over LE?!?

Is Hollinger the racers trainer from Forney, Texas? Do you have a link so I can verify this info? When did this person come into play in Jacobs case? Was it before 2003 when there was still unidentified tire tracks?

 

[Jewelia]

I know the last thing LE said was the items are in the lab for future testing, and that they aren't going to rush them. As far as I know we don't have follow up yet.

If DR is such a POI to LE, then why not rush the lab? Why wouldn't the lab have had answers 4 years ago? On such a high profile case, that is evidence that needs prompt attention, and analysis. I'm trying to be objective, and not count DR completely out, as we shouldn't any POI until we know more facts. However, he's seems very unlikely due to no criminal history. I've got nothing. Yes, he didn't mention the cars in his 911 call, and he didn't bring it up to two cops that were on his property, but there was a lot going on, and he was probably still trying to wrap his head around it. Then on Monday, the 23rd of October, 1989, he realizes there might be a connection with the cars he saw.

I don't think that's exceptionally unusual, and I think others may have felt overwhelmed with helicopters, people, and local LE swarming around the area. Also, according to Eloc's book, SCSO thinks Jared's abductor may be the same guy that abducted Jacob. Well, DR had an alibi. He was 1/2 hour away playing at the Eden Valley American Legion Club the evening ...Jan. 13th, 1989, and this contradicts SCSO reasoning on Jared and Jacob being victims of the same perp.

I still think the SCSO is trying to pin it on DR, and they don't want the cockroaches to come out of the cracks when the person who did abduct Jacob is revealed, and this person reveals the others involved. I don't think this was a one man effort. IMO, this was a planned abduction. They just need to call one smart Lady who has voluminous amounts of documentation and information....BUT, they won't.

 

[Sasquatch321]

If DR is such a POI to LE, then why not rush the lab? Why wouldn't the lab have had answers 4 years ago? On such a high profile case, that is evidence that needs prompt attention, and analysis. I'm trying to be objective, and not count DR completely out, as we shouldn't any POI until we know more facts. However, he's seems very unlikely due to no criminal history. I've got nothing. Yes, he didn't mention the cars in his 911 call, and he didn't bring it up to two cops that were on his property, but there was a lot going on, and he was probably still trying to wrap his head around it. Then on Monday, the 23rd of October, 1989, he realizes there might be a connection with the cars he saw.

I don't think that's exceptionally unusual, and I think others may have felt overwhelmed with cops and helicopters, and people LE swarming around the area. Also, according to Eloc's book, SCSO think Jared's abductor may be the same guy that abducted Jacob. Well, DR had an alibi. He was 1/2 hour away playing at the Eden Valley American Legion Club the evening ...Jan. 13th, 1989, and this contradicts SCSO reasoning on Jared and Jacob being victims of the same perp.

I still think the SCSO is trying to pin it on DR, and they don't want the cockroaches to come out of the cracks when the person who did abduct Jacob is revealed, and this person reveals the others involved. I don't think this was a one man effort. IMO, this was a planned abduction. They just need to call one smart Lady who has voluminous amounts of documentation and information....BUT, they won't.

Because they are possibly dealing with blood that is 25 years old. Give it time.

 

[tinner007]

I know the last thing LE said was the items are in the lab for future testing, and that they aren't going to rush them. As far as I know we don't have follow up yet.

Evidence in the case I was involved in went straight to the front of the line at the lab. All tests including DNA were completed within 1 month. You believe what you want. I have first hand knowledge of this including chain of custody documentation involving the property that was returned to me already anyway...still waiting for the rest, but all tests were done within 1 month.

 

[Sasquatch321]

Forensic tests on items taken from that search have yielded no evidence linking them to the crime, but investigators are still testing some items, or waiting for technology to advance so additional testing can be done.

Rassier, who says he is innocent, has not been cleared.

"Is it considered legal for law enforcement to give the public the perception I am guilty of something when I'm not?" Rassier wrote


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/03/dan-rassier-jacob-wetterling-abduction_n_1736816.html

 

[Sasquatch321]

Evidence in the case I was involved in went straight to the front of the line at the lab. All tests including DNA were completed within 1 month. You believe what you want. I have first hand knowledge of this including chain of custody documentation involving the property that was returned to me already anyway...still waiting for the rest, but all tests were done within 1 month.

There is a big difference between your case and that of Jacob Wetterling. The items they are testing here were recovered 21 years after the crime. Your DNA was fresh and test ready.

 

[Jewelia]

There is a big difference between your case and that of Jacob Wetterling. The items they are testing here were recovered 21 years after the crime. Your DNA was fresh and test ready.

I understand Tinner's thinking, but the cases ARE different, as the blood evidence from DR's property is very old. However, they've had it five years?? Wouldn't they know by now if this is a workable sample? What happened to the DNA evidence on Jared's case? If it isn't DR, which I don't think it is, his life has been turned upside-down.

 

[bessie]

There is a big difference between your case and that of Jacob Wetterling. The items they are testing here were recovered 21 years after the crime. Your DNA was fresh and test ready.

Thank you for this post. As technology catches up, cold cases are being solved from 20 and 30 years ago, and longer. Just check out the Cold Case forum and look for the resolved cold cases sub-forum.

There also are many unresolved cold cases where DNA is awaiting testing with advanced techniques. Bill Comeans and Carmen Van Huss come to mind. Forensics labs are notorious for their backlogs, particularly as pertains to newer technology employed in a limited number of labs.