MN - Jacob Wetterling, 11, St. Joseph, 22 Oct 1989 - #15

[Trackergd]

Apparently the perp brought Jacob up the R driveway. Why would he do that if he had a car parked in a different location?

And what was that Baker street like then? Driveable?

The abductor had three options: 1) Have a car on site ready to exit the area quickly once the abduction took place. 2) Pick up/drag Jacob across the open area into the woods using trails until he either got to a house or waiting car. 3)Took Jacob to a nearby house or building, then moved him later.

Each points to a specific type of abductor with different degrees of planning and prior knowledge.

 

[Trackergd]

The closest shoe I can find to the unknown flat sole print with the "wiggle" pattern is the Nike Eagle SMU. The Cortez and other like Nike patterns have a small circle in the arch area that would have been obvious in the print.

 

[Trackergd]

Look familiar? Nike Eagle SMU

 

[ELOCsoul]

The closest shoe I can find to the unknown flat sole print with the "wiggle" pattern is the Nike Eagle SMU. The Cortez and other like Nike patterns have a small circle in the arch area that would have been obvious in the print.

One thing to keep in mind is that the boys described the perpetrator was wearing black boots.

 

[Trackergd]

One thing to keep in mind is that the boys described the perpetrator was wearing black boots.

I can rule out Dr Martins or anything with a Vibram sole right off the bat since I have already done an extensive search on all their sole patterns.

Bates police boots as well as Cochran Army Boots are out. The 1970's vintage black leather army boots are close but have an arch that would be obvious in the print.

I searched 1980's police boots and shoes, nothing looks even close. All had arches. Hush Puppies are out as are Nunn Bush.

My guess for the unknown print would be DR in a running shoe walking through the print field or a confederate of the abductor. Depending on when the picture was taken, it could be one of the searchers, press, etc.

 

[Sasquatch321]

I can rule out Dr Martins or anything with a Vibram sole right off the bat since I have already done an extensive search on all their sole patterns.

Bates police boots as well as Cochran Army Boots are out. The 1970's vintage black leather army boots are close but have an arch that would be obvious in the print.

I searched 1980's police boots and shoes, nothing looks even close. All had arches. Hush Puppies are out as are Nunn Bush.

My guess for the unknown print would be DR in a running shoe walking through the print field or a confederate of the abductor. Depending on when the picture was taken, it could be one of the searchers, press, etc.

It might also be Robert Rassiers trail to the mailbox everyday.

 

[human]

Although we go round and round sometimes, it is great because it keeps this thread alive.

Kyron is not even mentioned. Tom Bearson who was killedd this fall has hardly any comments.

 

[human]

Why a quarter mile away? (modsnip) With that being said, I do stand corrected. One part of the wood pile does peak to approx. just under 20 feet, the rest of it is 6 feet. The wood that is stacked higher is the good wood that's been cut and split. Anyone who has burned wood for heat and has gone through this labor intensive operation of getting ready for winters to come, as it's best to cut it while you can, than be trying to cut wood when you're 70 years old. It's called thinking ahead. Not only that, but wood that is stacked directly on the ground is likely to be sacrificed to rot. So to get the most out of your labor, the rule of thumb, the higher the better. Most people just are not willing to go through the extra labor it calls for to stack wood this high. So, in an attempt to get actual FACTS, that some here are still attempting to define, I went to visit the Rassier's for the first time. DR was working still, so I spoke with BR and RR for about an hour and a half. I wish our conversation would've been recorded so everyone can know and visually see the emotions of baseless accusations causes. It doesn't affect just the accused, it goes way deeper. As RR said, and any parent I'm sure would agree with, your child is a part of you. When they hurt, you hurt. We spoke about my case and what it did to myself and my family. We spoke about the search warrant in 2010 the way they were treated by LE. RR being grabbed by here arm and thrown to the ground and then threatened of arrest. BR has been living with prostate cancer for 20 years.....20 years. I personally have never heard of that kind of fight in someone to my recollection. And why? He wants to live to see his sons name cleared. As time passes, he told me his hope of that is fading. So Sasquatch, I've asked this before and nobody has step up to the plate and provided me with one piece of actual evidence that suggest DR was involved in any way shape or form, so lay it on me, I want to hear it. Neither your or anyone else's gut feeling on a statement he made, or how he stacks his wood, or that he lives with his parents means anything. I just spoke with 2 of the nicest people I have ever spoken to. BR also has had no problem with the wood piles either so there's another of your statements that can get tossed as BS. I would like to ask everyone to think of how your statements are going to affect someone's life before you go throwing things out on the (modsnipped bogus link) The hurt affects more than you realize, and in no shape or form is it fair in anyway. And Sas, I know what's coming....."But, but, they still have things that are waiting to be tested." (modsnip)
Pictures of woodpile taken today 4/6/2015 attached:

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He must be incredibly strong

 

[Jewelia]

I know I've put my opinions on who I think abducted Jacob (Bahners in the ditch looking for the boys on the bikes), and LK being the abductor....etc. etc. One thing I was wondering about.....well, I've wondered about it since I saw "The Hunt" that first night it aired on CNN....I think early Sept, late August.

I'm thinking about the area, and the dead end road, and the how easy it would be to spot something/someone out of place. I know it was very, very dark, but whoever kidnapped him, out of all the named POIs on here, which I think LK is still one of them, I would think they'd need help to pull it off smoothly enough for Jacob to disappear without a trace. I just can't shake the feeling that this was a carefully orchestrated plan, and not just some random kidnapping.

I know we've been around the block about the Bahner's being dumber than a box of rocks, and them not being able to pull off a kidnapping/abduction, but I don't think they planned, or abducted. I just think someone offened these dummies some money to look for the boys coming on the bikes. Who better, than a couple of dummies no one would believe. If it wasn't them on the look-out, then someone had to be. Remember, the boys heard someone/something in the brush. I don't think DR could have pulled this off on his own. With everything I read, I just don't think he did it.

 

[shergal]

I got ELOC's book in the mail today! The cover looks great and it's a nice large size book. Can't wait to start reading it. I have read the pdf, but will enjoy reading the book more, I think, where I can flip back and forth. Thanks for all your hard work, ELOC!

 

[mamamumbles]

I know I've put my opinions on who I think abducted Jacob (Bahners in the ditch looking for the boys on the bikes), and LK being the abductor....etc. etc. One thing I was wondering about.....well, I've wondered about it since I saw "The Hunt" that first night it aired on CNN....I think early Sept, late August.

I'm thinking about the area, and the dead end road, and the how easy it would be to spot something/someone out of place. I know it was very, very dark, but whoever kidnapped him, out of all the named POIs on here, which I think LK is still one of them, I would think they'd need help to pull it off smoothly enough for Jacob to disappear without a trace. I just can shake the feeling that this was a carefully orchestrated plan, and not just some random kidnapping.

I know we've been around the block about the Bahner's being dumber than a box of rocks, and them not being able to pull off a kidnapping/abduction, but I don't think they planned, or abducted. I just think someone offened these dummies some money to look for the boys coming on the bikes. Who better, than a couple of dummies no one would believe. If it wasn't them on the look-out, then someone had to be. Remember, the boys heard someone in the brush. I don't think DR could have pulled this off on his own. With everything I read, I just don't think he did it.

I 100% agree with jewelia. I actually think DR would be more of a smart groomer type than an armed kidnapper. I disagree that you would need to be smart to be a brazen attacker. In fact, frequently they are lower in IQ (stranger rapists etc). I think the more intellectual man would be more of a groomer and molester of students etc. DR does not fit the bill. Just because he's a POI does not mean he's an actual suspect and does not mean there are no others that could have done it. he's the only one they've been able to identify as being there, but that does not mean much. Imo if he did it they would have already proven it and he would have already been arrested. Guys who do armed forcible kidnappings don't usually stop and live sweet innocent like lives for ever after (boy scout molesters would be able to do that). Someone who kills for sexual purposes is different. Not your priest or music teacher. More anger involved. I agree bahners are more likely or even the one who allegedly took the other boy, the one locked up in moose lake, or someone we have never heard of before.

 

[Jewelia]

I got mine too, but mine got damaged a little. It's got a little chunk out of the binding. Not horribly noticeable. I read the PDF also. My husband will read the book, as he would like to update himself on all this.

 

[nmogren]

I got ELOC's book in the mail today! The cover looks great and it's a nice large size book. Can't wait to start reading it. I have read the pdf, but will enjoy reading the book more, I think, where I can flip back and forth. Thanks for all your hard work, ELOC!

I can't wait!


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[Trackergd]

I know I've put my opinions on who I think abducted Jacob (Bahners in the ditch looking for the boys on the bikes), and LK being the abductor....etc. etc. One thing I was wondering about.....well, I've wondered about it since I saw "The Hunt" that first night it aired on CNN....I think early Sept, late August.

I'm thinking about the area, and the dead end road, and the how easy it would be to spot something/someone out of place. I know it was very, very dark, but whoever kidnapped him, out of all the named POIs on here, which I think LK is still one of them, I would think they'd need help to pull it off smoothly enough for Jacob to disappear without a trace. I just can't shake the feeling that this was a carefully orchestrated plan, and not just some random kidnapping.

I know we've been around the block about the Bahner's being dumber than a box of rocks, and them not being able to pull off a kidnapping/abduction, but I don't think they planned, or abducted. I just think someone offened these dummies some money to look for the boys coming on the bikes. Who better, than a couple of dummies no one would believe. If it wasn't them on the look-out, then someone had to be. Remember, the boys heard someone/something in the brush. I don't think DR could have pulled this off on his own. With everything I read, I just don't think he did it.

Do any of your POI's have friends or friends of their families that are powerful enough to derail or redirect an investigation, or worse yet, cower potential witnesses into remaining silent? Something odd about "hearing the noise in the bushes on the way to the Tom Thumb...a good abductor laying in wait would not have made any noise...at least not enough for the boys to hear over conversation and the noise of the bikes. The "noise" is a clue.

 

[Jewelia]

The B-Brothers have low IQs, and I could see them making "noise". LK, is smarter, and as a POI, he could be the abductor. LK was in his mid 40s in 1989, and 6ft tall. As far as the rough and gruff voice: I can disguise my voice to sound like Louie Armstrong, and I'm a woman. I don't think a whole lot of weight should be put on the voice of the perp.

They're all known pedophiles, and LK may know other pedophiles who have a higher social status, and possibly be in a position of power. Also, his other pedophile friends could know pedophiles/child molesters in high positions. It's a known fact that judges can be corrupt, and involved directly, or indirectly in the pedophile circles/rings.

It's already been alleged the abduction was sexually motivated, and LK is one of the dirtiest and nastiest child molesters out there. It's possible he was hired to do the job for someone else; someone in a position of power, or a well loved person in the community with a high social standing who wouldn't want to risk getting caught.

Example:

https://www.change.org/p/judge-says...year-old-toddler-he-sodomized?hc_location=ufi

 

[chaplain1]

The B-Brothers have low IQs, and I could see them making "noise". LK, is smarter, and as a POI, he could be the abductor. LK was in his mid 40s in 1989, and 6ft tall. As far as the rough and gruff voice: I can disguise my voice to sound like Louie Armstrong, and I'm a woman. I don't think a whole lot of weight should be put on the voice of the perp.

They're all known pedophiles, and LK may know other pedophiles who have a higher social status, and possibly be in a position of power. Also, his other pedophile friends could know pedophiles/child molesters in high positions. It's a known fact that judges can be corrupt, and involved directly, or indirectly in the pedophile circles/rings.

It's already been alleged the abduction was sexually motivated, and LK is one of the dirtiest and nastiest child molesters out there. It's possible he was hired to do the job for someone else; someone in a position of power, or a well loved person in the community with a high social standing who wouldn't want to risk getting caught.

Example:

https://www.change.org/p/judge-says...year-old-toddler-he-sodomized?hc_location=ufi

The news story you posted is awful but i fail to see the connection here. What are you trying to say or implying?

 

[Jewelia]

The news story you posted is awful but i fail to see the connection here. What are you trying to say or implying?

Did you see the quote I was replying to? For this crime to go unsolved for so long, its very possible the abductor was protected from people in high positions; even another pedophile in a high position. This is a reality, and I think in this case, it doesn't hurt to expand our thinking into other possibilities. The judge in this link may very well be a pedophile himself to hand down such a ridiculous sentence for raping a 3 year old little girl.

Although this doesn't DIRECTLY relate to Jacob's abduction, it's an example of corruption in the judicial system, and this could be a factor in Jacob's case....possibly way back in the beginning. All it would take is one or two bad guys to make an investigation go in the wrong direction. Also, if the abductor knew others in a position of power, and it may make them look bad if the public found out what happened, they could possibly affect the outcome of the investigation as well.

If investigators don't think about these possibilities, it would be irresponsible. I don't know how a case can go on like this for 25 years, and for these possibilities to not cross anyone's mind at some point. It doesn't necessarily have to be someone in LE covering it up, but people who are in powerful positions, or very well respected in the community, may have the right connections to have their crimes covered up.

 

[Jewelia]

Do any of your POI's have friends or friends of their families that are powerful enough to derail or redirect an investigation, or worse yet, cower potential witnesses into remaining silent? Something odd about "hearing the noise in the bushes on the way to the Tom Thumb...a good abductor laying in wait would not have made any noise...at least not enough for the boys to hear over conversation and the noise of the bikes. The "noise" is a clue.

Also, think about this: It doesn't take a very powerful person to know filthy dirt on a powerful person. Think about this: Why did R. Bahner only serve 2 years for something he should have been sentenced 30 years for? He's not powerful, and he may not directly know powerful people, but he may know enough about someone who is powerful, or someone with good social standing, who is connected to powerful people. The possibilities are many.

 

[chaplain1]

You can't invent evidence, they have never found a body. They have the boys account, kevin's tire track, and footprints.

 

[human]

The B-Brothers have low IQs, and I could see them making "noise". LK, is smarter, and as a POI, he could be the abductor. LK was in his mid 40s in 1989, and 6ft tall. As far as the rough and gruff voice: I can disguise my voice to sound like Louie Armstrong, and I'm a woman. I don't think a whole lot of weight should be put on the voice of the perp.

They're all known pedophiles, and LK may know other pedophiles who have a higher social status, and possibly be in a position of power. Also, his other pedophile friends could know pedophiles/child molesters in high positions. It's a known fact that judges can be corrupt, and involved directly, or indirectly in the pedophile circles/rings.

It's already been alleged the abduction was sexually motivated, and LK is one of the dirtiest and nastiest child molesters out there. It's possible he was hired to do the job for someone else; someone in a position of power, or a well loved person in the community with a high social standing who wouldn't want to risk getting caught.

Example:

https://www.change.org/p/judge-says...year-old-toddler-he-sodomized?hc_location=ufi

Not that I am sticking up for the Bahners , but how do you know they have low IQ's? And how do you know Lou is such a nasty guy? Not that I am sticking up for him. But compared to DAH, for instance?