MN - Jacob Wetterling, 11, St. Joseph, 22 Oct 1989 - #15

[cGorg]

If the abductor is the afternoon driver in the Monte Carlo....how did he know to come back-in a different car- to the same location that night when the boys' trip was spur of the moment?

 

[shergal]

You mean the letter(s) in which Patty asks DR to confess? (See Shergal's post on 06-13-2014, 12:29 PM)

IMO, Patty (likely with the help of LE) set up DR at the gym and the LE used bits and pieces of the conversation (and subsequent "signs") to put together a search warrant that will be considered laughable if ever revealed.

I'd just like to clarify on that post that simonsez linked, I am responding to someone else's post there and ONLY the part after (Bolded By Me) are MY comments. The comments above that are from whoever I was responding to. This (below) is the portion of that post that belongs to me.

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I haven't seen a complete overhead that shows the gravel pit being dug up in relation to where it was from the home. There are several pictures online of close-ups of the gravel pit while they were digging, but they are all zoomed in on the pit. My "guess" would be it must be on the southeast side somewhere, because in the video below you do not see the gravel pit in the overhead farm pictures, but you do see the whole main home, farm buildings and crops directly around the home. They also show digging up the farm pit, but not in relation to other buildings on the farm.

This video has some different angles of the farm, shows them digging, has snippets of that early interview with DR (with his face blurred out), and has the news story about some parents objecting when DR was going to start teaching music at St. Boniface school in Cold Spring, MN. (The school decided to place a paraprofessional in his class to assist, who was later removed.)

http://www.immelman.us/news/dan-rassier-teaching-concerns/

This other link to Immelman's website contains several videos; Sheriff Sanner on results of the 2010 search so far; DR's interviews with Julie Nelson, etc.
http://www.immelman.us/news/jacob-wetterling-latest-news/

 

[Sasquatch321]

If the abductor is the afternoon driver in the Monte Carlo....how did he know to come back-in a different car- to the same location that night when the boys' trip was spur of the moment?

I think the monte carlo is something he wrote about in his journal, and it is fiction. Because he is suddenly telling that story to the public after his journal was seized, not before. The small car with headlights close together, another lie that was from the beginning. Kevin is who he saw, and that would corroborate with the 15 year unidentified tracks.

 

[Trino]

And he teaches in many different venues and performs. Hard to reconcile all of those things.

Not really. Performing by playing music isn't interacting on a social level. As a former teacher, I can also state that there are teachers who interact well with kids but are not sociable with adults (or neighbors).

 

[Trackergd]

You have to wonder how else a comment like "someone could have buried a body in our gravel pit" could be taken. If my son was missing and someone said that to me, you can be darn sure I'd mention it to LE! IF Patty did suggest it to LE, I can certainly understand why.

Just an observation... If I did not want LE poking around in one or more particular spots, I would "suggest" a different one that gave the "appearance" of a high potential for evidence, such as a burn pit. Probably drew forensics investigators to the pit like moths to a flame. While I am not convinced that DR is the abductor, it sure was an odd statement.

 

[Trackergd]

The driveway print field is one spot that we have limited information on and holds a lot of clues. There is a larger second print field that I have seen no information on. When the boys went across the grass to the woods, they would have left "push down prints" in the grass. Had the abductor(s) had taken Jacob out of the area by any other way than the driveway and/or road, he/they would also have left "push down" prints in the grass, crops or crop stubble. Push down prints have a limited life span as when the grass begins to dry in the morning sun, the prints become less obvious and the grass blades slowly go upright again. There is a particular method of looking for and photographing push downs, I have seen no indication that LE did this or even knew to do this. There would have also been evidence in the grass where the abductor was hiding...where the boys heard the "noise" on the way to the Tom Thumb.

Something that might help me a bit is if there is an aerial photograph of the road, farm and surrounding area on or near the date of the abduction.

 

[ELOCsoul]

If the abductor is the afternoon driver in the Monte Carlo....how did he know to come back-in a different car- to the same location that night when the boys' trip was spur of the moment?

...and why would he risk driving all the way up the driveway again?

 

[HEY YOU!]

I believe he wrote the letters in 2012. That's a long time after the abduction. He asked LE to either charge him or change the POI status. I completely agree with his request. Enough is enough, assuming his innocence.

So you dismiss the fact that he said he saw a small blue car with close together headlights drive up and around his driveway at around the time of Jacob's abduction and he failed to mention any strange car when being told by the 911 operator that very night that an 11 year old boy was abducted from his driveway 2 hours prior? Dan Rassier stated that he saw a small car drive up his driveway with a small passenger at the time of the abduction but DID NOT MENTION IT to the 911 operator OR to the cops on the scene. Is there a reasonable explanation for this? DR stated to Esme Murphy that he did not help in the search efforts as he didn't want to 'waste his time' and he went to sleep.

Why would anyone say they didn't want to 'waste their time' searching for an 11 year old boy who was abducted from their property? It would only be a waste of time if you already knew where that 11 year old boy was.

 

[HEY YOU!]

I believe he wrote the letters in 2012. That's a long time after the abduction. He asked LE to either charge him or change the POI status. I completely agree with his request. Enough is enough, assuming his innocence.

It seems DR is much more concerned about clearing his name than in finding Jacob. Seems rather strange not to be concerned about the abduction of a child from your property. Especially since he publicly was not concerned or involved with the search or helping the Wetterlings but privately he was saving articles and pictures regarding the case.

You are ignoring the fact that DR never once went to the Wetterlings regarding the abduction of their son from his driveway. Not once did he extend his sympathies or offer to help search. Not once did he write a note expressing his sadness for what happened halfway up his driveway on October 29, 1989. In all these years he had not one word to say to the Wetterlings. Fine. He is a strange loner. Really?

He then goes on to have public interviews regarding the case. He also collects news articles and photos regarding the case. He is wrapped up in it personally, he goes on the air to discuss it publicly but he does not reach out even one time, not even a short note to the Wetterlings offering his support or help.

 

[HEY YOU!]

Not really. Performing by playing music isn't interacting on a social level. As a former teacher, I can also state that there are teachers who interact well with kids but are not sociable with adults (or neighbors).

Those teachers that interact with kids but are not sociable with adults, would they talk to Jacob's best friend and sibling if they felt uncomfortable around the parents? Because DR did not reach out to Trevor or Aaron either. DR seemed perfectly fine in front of the camera speaking to adults and not just once.

 

[HEY YOU!]

I think the monte carlo is something he wrote about in his journal, and it is fiction. Because he is suddenly telling that story to the public after his journal was seized, not before. The small car with headlights close together, another lie that was from the beginning. Kevin is who he saw, and that would corroborate with the 15 year unidentified tracks.

I believe that DR DID see Kevin driving up and around his driveway as it was very soon after he abducted Jacob and he would have been on high alert. DR knew Aaron and Trevor would run home and the news would be out. He had a small window of opportunity for his plan. He heard Kevin and looked out the window to see him cut around the driveway. He later made up a story about a car with close together lights to throw cops off the trail of the real car that came around. If he said he saw Kevin's car and described it in detail, cops would immediately have found the car and Kevin, ruled him out and started looking at DR more closely. Small, dark blue car with close together lights is the opposite of a light colored, wider wheel based car...and add in the small passenger with the hands covering the face and you have the perfect cover for DR.

 

[HEY YOU!]

...and why would he risk driving all the way up the driveway again?

When DR stood in his driveway during that one interview and said find the car that drove up his driveway that afternoon and you have the person that did this just struck me as literally crazy. It makes zero sense. The absolute only explanation is he is covering his own butt by creating doubt with every new story he comes up with. Make no mistake, DR is crazy...like a fox. In my opinion of course.

 

[Trackergd]

My I suggest the only way to find Jacob is to work together in the spirit of cooperation and civility.

 

[thenotebook]

I wish everyone would read ELOC's book and focus on some of the other suspects instead of rehashing DR to death. What about Hollinger????? What can we dig up on him?

 

[HEY YOU!]

I wish everyone would read ELOC's book and focus on some of the other suspects instead of rehashing DR to death. What about Hollinger????? What can we dig up on him?

Where was Hollinger at 9:15 PM on Sunday, October 22 1989?

 

[mamamumbles]

DR would have not had that much time. Whoever took Jacob took him somewhere where he was never found.

 

[Sasquatch321]

DR would have not had that much time. Whoever took Jacob took him somewhere where he was never found.

He would have had time to follow them, he would have had time and access to getting ready without anyone knowing, he had the physical ability and command presence of a teacher to confront 3 kids, he had 2 hours and 8 minutes after the abduction 9:15-11:23 before he was heard from or seen.

 

[HEY YOU!]

DR would have not had that much time. Whoever took Jacob took him somewhere where he was never found.

He may have been found if cops had searched DR's home and buildings the night of the abduction. Or if they searched his car that was loaded with instrument cases that he left with the next morning right under the cops noses. DR had plenty of time and opportunity. And as of today, he is still the only named POI.

 

[Sasquatch321]

"Suddenly, out of nowhere, a big tan-colored car (possibly a 1972-1978 Monte Carlo with a white vinyl top) comes racing down the driveway. When it reaches the farmyard, the car whips a u-turn (dust flying everywhere, like a stunt car), and goes racing back out of the driveway. He has never seen anything like this happen at their farm before."

Who drives like that in broad daylight? High school kids who just got their licenses, that's who. I did the same thing when I was 17, I had just picked up a girlfriend in pennock, mn and we had no destination or anywhere to be that day. We wound up taking a road that led to a dead end with a circular gravel turnaround, instead of turning around nicely on it, I threw dirt flying everywhere. Bad mistake though, because as we left a woman came running out of her house, picked up a rock from her yard, and threw it at my car leaving permanent body damage. I know I was wrong, but that was crazy.

http://www.joybaker.com/2013/02/23/dans-story-2/

 

[Wisdom]

Where was Hollinger at 9:15 PM on Sunday, October 29 1989?

I'd be more interested in October 22nd which I'm guessing is what you meant.