MN - Jacob Wetterling, 11, St. Joseph, 22 Oct 1989 - #16

[tinner007]

I've watched the video through and through, it was the first time I had ever heard someone say they had doubts this crime could ever be solved.

I hear people say they have doubts all the time. If you want I could give you the clearance rates of the SCSO, or you can look back through other years to see the stats for yourself on the Minnesota DPS BCA website.

When was the last missing person case solved in Stearns County, I seem to have forgotten.....

 

[tinner007]

Here's the 2013 Crime Clearance Rates:



Yes that does say 12% clearance rate on Part 1 crimes which are the more violent crimes.

On the flip side of the coin...100% clearance on liquor law violations. Being that's one where you are pretty much caught red handed, I personally cannot think of a defense to that crime...more like a violation than a crime it seems to me

 

[tinner007]

Props to Becker PD.... 98% in 2005....I have to say I am sincerely impressed. Great job, ones gotta give credit where credit is due

 

[tinner007]

Back to finding Jacob...sorry about getting sidetracked

 

[mamamumbles]

The problem I have with statistical probabilities though, is there are always outliers. If 90% of criminals of a certain type fit within a strict profile, it means 10% do not, for example. We know that there are several characteristics of Jacob's abductor that defy the odds - he wore a mask, he left witnesses, he used the threat of a gun, he was waiting in an isolated area.

Remember also, that the Abbey implemented a sexual abuse policy in February of 1989. They wouldn't have brought this on without an underlying problem behind it. Could "talk" of this policy driven an offender off campus? Who knows. Furthermore, Wetterling investigators (FBI) did investigate the monks at the Abbey in the beginning of the investigation, and then again later (Stearns Co) when other allegations surfaced at SJU.

The other possibility that could link the abductor to the Abbey is that Jacob's abductor may himself been a victim of sexual abuse.

True. There is that percentage who would seem more like groomer molesters, but could do a force abduction, or maybe they committed so many they started to increase in their fantasies and carry out more brave crimes. I was just catching up reading about the BW stuff and the profile of the Guimond abductor. Pretty scary and the profiler does seem to be reaching in that case toward a profile similar to DR. Who knows. I suppose it's always the least likely. This whole case is so frustrating.

 

[tinner007]

A former federal prosecutors opinion in regards to law enforcement that doesn't answer questions in regards to some not all information:

[video=youtu;EOc038qy1_I]http://youtu.be/EOc038qy1_I[/video]

 

[human]

There are people including DR who claim they have knowledge. If they don't trust LE, go to a journalist.

In Touch blew open the Duggars, a huge moneymaker. Th Enquirer blew open Edwards. I don't know who blew ooen Dennis Hastert. These are HUGE scandals. The people were willing to go for the story. Jeff Anderson is not afraid to take on the Catholic church. There are brave and intelligent people out there.

 

[thenotebook]

In regards to the bike that was stolen, it was taken by a 14 year old kid from the neighborhood. Absolutely no relevance to the abduction at all, time to move on in regards to that dead end.

How do you know it was a 14 year old kid? Earlier in this thread someone said it was a "man" that took the bike, so that is why we are discussing this. Do you have an article that you can reference about the bike? I had never even known about the bike thing until ELOC's book

 

[ELOCsoul]

How do you know it was a 14 year old kid? Earlier in this thread someone said it was a "man" that took the bike, so that is why we are discussing this. Do you have an article that you can reference about the bike? I had never even known about the bike thing until ELOC's book

I think the bike came from joys blog. In any case, it seems the bike is interesting but not significant to the case.

 

[tinner007]

How do you know it was a 14 year old kid? Earlier in this thread someone said it was a "man" that took the bike, so that is why we are discussing this. Do you have an article that you can reference about the bike? I had never even known about the bike thing until ELOC's book

Because I lived in the neighborhood. The "man" that took the bike was referenced from Joy's blog and it's clear she was speaking about him in present terms. Of course names will not be used for that incident being the person was a minor at the time.

Reference to the bike can be found here:
http://www.joybaker.com/2015/02/22/the-party-in-the-woods/

 

[human]

I believe she stated that the man re the bike was investigated and cleared. Strange to,talk about a 14 year old kid like that.

 

[tinner007]

I believe she stated that the man re the bike was investigated and cleared. Strange to,talk about a 14 year old kid like that.

Where does she say anything about being investigated and cleared???

Quoted from Joy's blog:
"That’s why Jacob had borrowed his mom’s ten-speed that night and Aaron had taken the scooter. (For what it’s worth, the police eventually found and questioned the guy who had taken Jacob’s bike, but still… what a weird coincidence.)"
http://www.joybaker.com/2015/02/22/the-party-in-the-woods/

When in doubt of someone else's statement, it would be helpful to do a little double check. The kid was questioned...not investigated, or cleared.

 

[human]

Where does she say anything about being investigated and cleared???

Quoted from Joy's blog:
"That’s why Jacob had borrowed his mom’s ten-speed that night and Aaron had taken the scooter. (For what it’s worth, the police eventually found and questioned the guy who had taken Jacob’s bike, but still… what a weird coincidence.)"
http://www.joybaker.com/2015/02/22/the-party-in-the-woods/

When in doubt of someone else's statement, it would be helpful to do a little double check. The kid was questioned...not investigated, or cleared.

It depends on how one interprets and uses the English language. Guy means man to me, not a boy. Questioned and no interest means investigated and cleared to me.

 

[tinner007]

It depends on how one interprets and uses the English language. Guy means man to me, not a boy. Questioned and no interest means investigated and cleared to me.

Yes, like I said before she was speaking in present tense...

I have never before heard that there is a second way to interpret the English language. Is there a Merriam-Webster Vol. 2 that covers the alternate interpretations? If so could you provide the link, I'd like to educate myself more on this subject.

 

[MotherOcean]

In regards to the bike that was stolen, it was taken by a 14 year old kid from the neighborhood. Absolutely no relevance to the abduction at all, time to move on in regards to that dead end.

Well, this is the first I've heard about it. How do you know it was a 14 yo kid? I can't find any MSM reference to the incident. Only Joy's blog and she didn't share an age.

EDIT: Never-mind, I see you have already given your answer to the question.

 

[tinner007]

Well, this is the first I've heard about it. How do you know it was a 14 yo kid? I can't find any MSM reference to the incident. Only Joy's blog and she didn't share an age.

Because I lived in the neighborhood. The "man" that took the bike was referenced from Joy's blog and it's clear she was speaking about him in present terms. Of course names will not be used for that incident being the person was a minor at the time.

Reference to the bike can be found here:
http://www.joybaker.com/2015/02/22/the-party-in-the-woods/

MSM lists about 10% of items that should be discussed. And I know because that was my neighborhood as repeatedly stated before

 

[ELOCsoul]

I've been going through the book and some notes, comparing for common denominator.

LE were looking for a car in November 1989, that had been seen near the abduction scene (not referring to the art students car, but a different one). I`ve had a reader contact me about being followed multiple times in November 1989, in Owatonna, MN. Then there was the Jacob sighting in Forrest, IL.

What do they all have in common? A red station wagon.

I'm still looking for some information about a suspect sighting in La Crosse, summer 1990 to see what that man was driving. That man was heading to an Illinois town not far from Forrest.

 

[thenotebook]

I've been going through the book and some notes, comparing for common denominator.

LE were looking for a car in November 1989, that had been seen near the abduction scene (not referring to the art students car, but a different one). I`ve had a reader contact me about being followed multiple times in November 1989, in Owatonna, MN. Then there was the Jacob sighting in Forrest, IL.

What do they all have in common? A red station wagon.

I'm still looking for some information about a suspect sighting in La Crosse, summer 1990 to see what that man was driving. That man was heading to an Illinois town not far from Forrest.

When you say "near the abduction site", was it traveling on that road, or was it at Tom Thumb?

 

[human]

A red or was it orange?

 

[human]

Seriously, what kidnapper would let a boy use a pay phone.

And how many kids would know how to use a pay phone to call,long distance? Why would Jacob know how to do that? It was hard enough as an adult to have the change and then know how to call.