MN - Jacob Wetterling, 11, St. Joseph, 22 Oct 1989 - #8

[Shay]

So how tall is he in your estimation?

I would guess him to be somewhere around 5'11" - 6'

Whenever I would see him, he would be around grade school kids so I didn't have another adult to compare him to other than myself!

 

[HEY YOU!]

Is this rumor or is there any documentation on the fondling. I thought that was just rumor.

Is there some evidence that Trevor and Aaron said they were fondled before they were told to run? Was it while he asked their ages?

 

[Silverngold]

Joy made a difference, huh? Yes, she blindly excluded both Kevin and DR because she talked to them. That's it. She talked to them and believed them. IF WE LOOK AT THE EVIDENCE we may figure it out. Not by listening to Joy's belief in Kevin and DR with her Rose colored glasses on.

I was referring to her blog and efforts that made the news and papers 2 week ago. She did get the case back in the media by talking about the paynesville incidents. Clearly if this case gets media attention more leads will come up for LE. Who cares about her glasses.

 

[Shay]

Thought this was interesting:

In August 2012, DR ran his 200th marathon.

http://scrr.org/Old News/2012/September 2012.pdf

 

[FindTim]

Anyone accusing Kevin of abducting Jacob is stating he corroborated with 3 other people. The 4 of them responded to the scanner report, meaning the abduction had already taken place.

Stick to the facts people.

 

[Jbrown324320]

Nmogren, give me a link to show that Joy has "cleared" or excluded DR and Kev as suspects. She says she believes what they say, but that is different than excluding them as suspects. I don't think she has.

Joy made a difference, huh? Yes, she blindly excluded both Kevin and DR because she talked to them. That's it. She talked to them and believed them. IF WE LOOK AT THE EVIDENCE we may figure it out. Not by listening to Joy's belief in Kevin and DR with her Rose colored glasses on.

 

[FindTim]

Also, DR reported that he saw a blue/black 4 door car turn around in his driveway. He made this claim just days after the abduction. Jared also was abducted by someone driving a blue 4 door.

Remember, Dan was hypnotized just weeks after the abduction and noted the blue 4 door with a woman or child in the car. He WOULD NOT have had knowledge of Jared's report of a blue 4 door.

And the Paynesville attempted abductions also reported a blue 4 door.

"On March 9, 1986, the police department received a report of a possible attempted child abduction. While walking near G&T Foods, a 12-year-old boy was asked if he wanted a ride, then asked if he wanted to go to “toyland”. The boy said “no” to both questions and continued walking. The suspect’s car was described as and old blue four-door, square in size."

It amazes me how people can still think DR or Kevin had anything to do with this. The facts remain that 3 reports indicate that a blue 4 door was present in and around the time of 3 separate abductions. None of the individuals who reported the blue 4 door knew of the other two reporting the same thing.

The fact remains that the same vein that runs true amongst all these abductions is the presence of a blue 4 door and a person noting they will shoot someone.

It's time to find out if the Huber's had a blue 4 door during this time period.

 

[Jbrown324320]

Tim, what if they heard on the scanner in cb code that kids were alone and went to kidnap them? It is always a possibility.

 

[FindTim]

4 people on a whim decided to abduct a child? Too far fetched and impossible to keep 4 people quiet over 25 years. They responded to the scanner much like the police did.

Tim, what if they heard on the scanner in cb code that kids were alone and went to kidnap them? It is always a possibility.

 

[Jbrown324320]

human's post linking to the huber auction indicated they sold a lot of cars for scrap. most likely a blue one was in there

Huber farm auction

http://www.vanderbrinkauctions.com/a...ents/Flyer.pdf

 

[Sigrun]

Anyone accusing Kevin of abducting Jacob is stating he corroborated with 3 other people. The 4 of them responded to the scanner report, meaning the abduction had already taken place.

Stick to the facts people.

Hey FindTim, yes but this assumes he was being truthful and it does not follow. It assumes he was being truthful about the reason he went to the driveway in the first place. No witnesses saw him enter the driveway at all, so the time this occurred is not verifiable in this way.

Anyone who heard this on the scanner in his presence had to be relatives, by virtue of his own claim.

~ svh

 

[Caoutchouc]

Does anyone know if any FOIAs (Freedom of Information Act) have been successfully executed in this case?
Have there been any requests at all? I'm guessing the media has submitted a few (esp within the last few months) but I don't know which ones or if any were successful.

Asking again because I'm going to try and submit a request by the end of the week- namely for crime scene photos and a few records.

Anyone?

 

[Sasquatch321]

Nmogren, give me a link to show that Joy has "cleared" or excluded DR and Kev as suspects. She says she believes what they say, but that is different than excluding them as suspects. I don't think she has.

"If law enforcement has chosen to believe that Dan Rassier is lying, then I guess I will take the position that he’s telling the truth." Joy Baker

"So, if you’re with me, let’s re-focus our efforts on a late 70s, amber-colored Monte Carlo-type sedan (with or without a white vinyl top), owned by a skilled driver who was capable of performing stunt-like u-turns at a high rate of speed." Joy Baker

"That’s my take." Joy Baker


Joy says its pick your side and stick with it, in this case.

http://www.joybaker.com/2013/04/26/my-take/

 

[FindTim]

It still can't be ignored that 4 people would have had to fully lie about what they were up to that evening. Dinner & cards seems way more plausible than 4 people corroborating together to kidnap a kid.

Hey FindTim, yes but this assumes he was being truthful and it does not follow. It assumes he was being truthful about the reason he went to the driveway in the first place. No witnesses saw him enter the driveway at all, so the time this occurred is not verifiable in this way.

Anyone who heard this on the scanner in his presence had to be relatives, by virtue of his own claim.

~ svh

 

[human]

copied from above link:

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Jbrown, that is a different auction. Not the Huber's. Look below. That is the Huber's stuff. No cars. Just scrap cars.

 

[human]

Asking again because I'm going to try and submit a request by the end of the week- namely for crime scene photos and a few records.

Anyone?

It is not free. You have to pay for time and copies.

 

[Sigrun]

Also, DR reported that he saw a blue/black 4 door car turn around in his driveway. He made this claim just days after the abduction. Jared also was abducted by someone driving a blue 4 door.

Remember, Dan was hypnotized just weeks after the abduction and noted the blue 4 door with a woman or child in the car. He WOULD NOT have had knowledge of Jared's report of a blue 4 door.

And the Paynesville attempted abductions also reported a blue 4 door.

"On March 9, 1986, the police department received a report of a possible attempted child abduction. While walking near G&T Foods, a 12-year-old boy was asked if he wanted a ride, then asked if he wanted to go to “toyland”. The boy said “no” to both questions and continued walking. The suspect’s car was described as and old blue four-door, square in size."

There were millions (?) of such cars in the United States at that time. If DR claimed this, which is more likely? That he was trying to exculpate himself or that some random car appeared in his driveway exactly when one of the most infamous abductions in history happened to occur? If truthful, he was both exculpating himself and inculpating an imaginary party.

Hypnotism and LD testing are not admissible in Court b/c they have been proven to be unreliable.

It amazes me how people can still think DR or Kevin had anything to do with this. The facts remain that 3 reports indicate that a blue 4 door was present in and around the time of 3 separate abductions. None of the individuals who reported the blue 4 door knew of the other two reporting the same thing.

The fact remains that the same vein that runs true amongst all these abductions is the presence of a blue 4 door and a person noting they will shoot someone.

It's time to find out if the Huber's had a blue 4 door during this time period.

I agree, if and when we've eliminated the two most obvious candidates to which the driveway evidence points.

~ svh

 

[Sasquatch321]

I have faith that Sigrun will come to a conclusion that Kevin is not responsible. We all need time to catch up and discount certain theories.

 

[FindTim]

Please repost link to auction site. Also, does anyone have a Google Earth image of the Huber property pre demolition of the buildings and selling of the vehicles?

It is not free. You have to pay for time and copies.

 

[Sigrun]

4 people on a whim decided to abduct a child? Too far fetched and impossible to keep 4 people quiet over 25 years. They responded to the scanner much like the police did.

Agreed, and a good reason to suspect that bad alibis will go rotten in 14 years.

~ svh