MN MN - Joshua Guimond, 20, Collegeville, 9 Nov 2002 - #2

[Sasquatch321]

What is the story of the deleted info on his computer? Has anyone tried to recover it nowadays with more skill and techniques?

What about the jogger? Any info on that?

Good question, I thought I was the only one still concerned about the midnight jogger.

 

[Jbrown324320]

why does he think Josh's emails and documents were deleted? which monks were verified to be on campus the day he disappeared? was he close to any of his professors?

 

[ThePhantom]

Josh's Dad may or may not know the answer to these questions: How upset was Josh after the break up with his girlfriend; Did Josh seek out counseling at St. John's and was Bruce Wollmering in the student counseling dept then; Did Josh ever have Wollmering as professor; When Josh came home on breaks did he ever show any changes in behavioral patterns such as sleeping more; How was Brian and the family treated by the Abbot; is it true that former Stearn's county sheriff's wife worked at St. John's; was Joshua in fact working on a paper about sexual abuse at St. Johns; has St. John's ever contacted Brian in recent years; Did Grandpa Bob ever get a phone call telling him he would be given money to walk away from the case; Did Brian ever get a phone call from any of Josh's former professors; Have any St. John's students confided in Brian about issues they've had with monks; Did Josh ever mention going to any of the cabins or other properties owned by St. Johns; Did Brian personally witness the dogs alert at Stumpf lake or any other location at St. John's during the search; was Josh's cell phone found and was it looked at; Has Brian ever gotten any anonymous calls from people giving him information related to the case.

 

[Sasquatch321]

If a monk completed this crime he is immediate and should have been easily suspected. He randomly left a party alone at midnight, sutprising even his friends. I don"t think a monk had this planned out for more than the time he saw him walking alone that night. The monk responsible is most likely the overwatcher of one of the buildings he went from and to.

 

[DarkJodo]

Josh's Dad may or may not know the answer to these questions: How upset was Josh after the break up with his girlfriend; Did Josh seek out counseling at St. John's and was Bruce Wollmering in the student counseling dept then; Did Josh ever have Wollmering as professor; When Josh came home on breaks did he ever show any changes in behavioral patterns such as sleeping more; How was Brian and the family treated by the Abbot; is it true that former Stearn's county sheriff's wife worked at St. John's; was Joshua in fact working on a paper about sexual abuse at St. Johns; has St. John's ever contacted Brian in recent years; Did Grandpa Bob ever get a phone call telling him he would be given money to walk away from the case; Did Brian ever get a phone call from any of Josh's former professors; Have any St. John's students confided in Brian about issues they've had with monks; Did Josh ever mention going to any of the cabins or other properties owned by St. Johns; Did Brian personally witness the dogs alert at Stumpf lake or any other location at St. John's during the search; was Josh's cell phone found and was it looked at; Has Brian ever gotten any anonymous calls from people giving him information related to the case.

I believe I am able to answer some of these through my research: Josh never had Wollmering as a professor. It was Stearns County Attorney Janelle Kendall's husband who is a faculty member of SJU (and still is). John Sanner (who was sheriff at one point during the investigation) also had attended SJU and had at least one son attend as well. The only proof of any sort of thesis comes from verbal testimony from Lisa Cheney (Josh's mom) - no such evidence or even school course has been found to back this claim up. Brian was present at the majority of the searches and did witness cadaver dogs alerting 30 yards in Stumpf lake - nothing was found. Josh's cell was found, searched and monitored.

The other questions you asked are great! Thank you!

 

[Sasquatch321]

I believe I am able to answer some of these through my research: Josh never had Wollmering as a professor. It was Stearns County Attorney Janelle Kendall's husband who is a faculty member of SJU (and still is). John Sanner (who was sheriff at one point during the investigation) also had attended SJU and had at least one son attend as well. The only proof of any sort of thesis comes from verbal testimony from Lisa Cheney (Josh's mom) - no such evidence or even school course has been found to back this claim up. Brian was present at the majority of the searches and did witness cadaver dogs alerting 30 yards in Stumpf lake - nothing was found. Josh's cell was found, searched and monitored.

The other questions you asked are great! Thank you!

I am now convinced more than ever that it should have been Trident searching the lakes in the very first days. And here is a problem with this case. the waters haven't been searched since and won't be ever again. Here we sit today begging and hoping a monk did this.

 

[DarkJodo]

I am now convinced more than ever that it should have been Trident searching the lakes in the very first days. And here is a problem with this case. the waters haven't been searched since and won't be ever again. Here we sit today begging and hoping a monk did this.

The problem with this case is that the waters should not have been focussed on as much as they were from day 1. If SCSO treated this as an abduction immediately, I believe we would have a different outcome by now. I believe this is still solvable today, but its just going to be much, much harder due to the actions taken early on.

 

[Sasquatch321]

The problem with this case is that the waters should not have been focussed on as much as they were from day 1. If SCSO treated this as an abduction immediately, I believe we would have a different outcome by now. I believe this is still solvable today, but its just going to be much, much harder due to the actions taken early on.

No the problem is you at least have a dog hitting on cadaver scent and absolutely nothing to show for an abduction, except that he is still missing. For me its 50/50 and both should be looked at equally and continually.

 

[DarkJodo]

No the problem is you at least have a dog hitting on cadaver scent and absolutely nothing to show for an abduction, except that he is still missing. For me its 50/50 and both should be looked at equally and continually.

Actually, we do have something that indicates an abduction. In dog handlers Greg Meyers report from day one of the search, he stated that Josh had either fallen into Stumpf lake from the culvert, OR he had gotten into a vehicle at that point. LE focussed only on the former of Meyer's statement, and continue to quote the Pope County dog tracked Josh to the water over and over throughout the years - never stating the possibility of him possibility of entering a vehicle.

SCSO had the evidence showing that Josh could have gotten into a vehicle, but instead they spent those first few precious days searching in the lakes. They had a lead, and chose not to fully follow it.

 

[Sasquatch321]

Here is why you shouldn't disregard the dogs alerts or that entire theory altogether

The human skeleton stuck in the mud along the banks of the Rocky River took the three boys by surprise.


A skeleton with a hole in the head found in 1975 is no longer just a ‘Jane Doe’ — thanks in part to Internet sleuths

 

[Sasquatch321]

Actually, we do have something that indicates an abduction. In dog handlers Greg Meyers report from day one of the search, he stated that Josh had either fallen into Stumpf lake from the culvert, OR he had gotten into a vehicle at that point. LE focussed only on the former of Meyer's statement, and continue to quote the Pope County dog tracked Josh to the water over and over throughout the years - never stating the possibility of him possibility of entering a vehicle.

SCSO had the evidence showing that Josh could have gotten into a vehicle, but instead they spent those first few precious days searching in the lakes. They had a lead, and chose not to fully follow it.

It simply isn't true that LE was ever dead focused on the lake at any time. There is more than one person on the case from the beginning handling all questions and possibilities.

 

[Sasquatch321]

Let's say Josh was put into a vehicle near the culvert. Although the dog was off the road and on the shoreline of stumpf lake. But lets just say vehicle did it, and thats actually all you can say. Vehicle did it. Because that would be all there is you would have on that. Without an outright confession it won't get better than that. And LE has interrogated monks and searched and its turned up no inclination of anything.

 

[DarkJodo]

It simply isn't true that LE was ever dead focused on the lake at any time. There is more than one person on the case from the beginning handling all questions and possibilities.[/

Sas, you seem to defend SCSO quite a bit, and that's fine. But we have evidence that they were not investigating the possibility of abduction as much as they should have been doing. We have direct quotes from the sheriff, lead detective, and two additional detectives directly stating "Josh is in there water." SCSO ceased the search Nov 10 (day 1 of the search) due to it getting dark out. They should have worked through the night just like the Wetterling case. Also, the last people that saw Josh were not even questioned until nearly two weeks later.

These are not the actions of an law agency actively treating this case as an abduction.

 

[Sasquatch321]

Sas, you seem to defend SCSO quite a bit, and that's fine. But we have evidence that they were not investigating the possibility of abduction as much as they should have been doing. We have direct quotes from the sheriff, lead detective, and two additional detectives directly stating "Josh is in there water." SCSO ceased the search Nov 10 (day 1 of the search) due to it getting dark out. They should have worked through the night just like the Wetterling case. Also, the last people that saw Josh were not even questioned until nearly two weeks later.

These are not the actions of an law agency actively treating this case as an abduction.

Based on the evidence which is merely a tracking dog, the best place to look was and still is in the bodies of water. Since day one not one thing has changed that. Although they have looked into abduction at the requests of the public. Nothing has been found to show such has happened.

 

[DarkJodo]

Based on the evidence which is merely a tracking dog, the best place to look was and still is in the bodies of water. Since day one not one thing has changed that. Although they have looked into abduction at the requests of the public. Nothing has been found to show such has happened.

What are you talking about? The same source that suggested that Josh could be in the water also said he could have gotten in a vehicle in the same sentence. How is it that half of his statement was credible and the other half not? And they didn't look into the abduction at the request of the public. They only began looked into the possibility of abduction after they couldn't find anything in the water - which was much, much too late to do a proper investigation. Oh - and nothing has been found to show that he ever went into the water either.

It's very clear that SCSO made some mistakes in the beginning, but I guess SCSO can do no wrong in Sasquatch321's eyes...

 

[ThePhantom]

Actually, we do have something that indicates an abduction. In dog handlers Greg Meyers report from day one of the search, he stated that Josh had either fallen into Stumpf lake from the culvert, OR he had gotten into a vehicle at that point. LE focussed only on the former of Meyer's statement, and continue to quote the Pope County dog tracked Josh to the water over and over throughout the years - never stating the possibility of him possibility of entering a vehicle.

SCSO had the evidence showing that Josh could have gotten into a vehicle, but instead they spent those first few precious days searching in the lakes. They had a lead, and chose not to fully follow it.

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Shades of how the Wetterling case was (mis)handled ............................

 

[Sasquatch321]

What are you talking about? The same source that suggested that Josh could be in the water also said he could have gotten in a vehicle in the same sentence. How is it that half of his statement was credible and the other half not? And they didn't look into the abduction at the request of the public. They only began looked into the possibility of abduction after they couldn't find anything in the water - which was much, much too late to do a proper investigation. Oh - and nothing has been found to show that he ever went into the water either.

It's very clear that SCSO made some mistakes in the beginning, but I guess SCSO can do no wrong in Sasquatch321's eyes...

They have a record of missing bodies underwater I can tell you that. This case, Dady, and the quarry case. This is because they are held to using outdated government issued technology. We needed Trident right away, not in May.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

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Shades of how the Wetterling case was (mis)handled ............................

SCSO should be ashamed. I feel so bad for Josh's family.
jmo

 

[ThePhantom]

Let's say Josh was put into a vehicle near the culvert. Although the dog was off the road and on the shoreline of stumpf lake. But lets just say vehicle did it, and thats actually all you can say. Vehicle did it. Because that would be all there is you would have on that. Without an outright confession it won't get better than that. And LE has interrogated monks and searched and its turned up no inclination of anything.

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Sasquatch, did LE interrogate monks and if so, when did they do it?

 

[Sasquatch321]

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Sasquatch, did LE interrogate monks and if so, when did they do it?

They interrogated Wolmering on several occasions and performed a search of his room and belongings following his death. Not all of this is public informatuon yet.