MN MN - Joshua Guimond, 20, Collegeville, 9 Nov 2002 - #2

[AlienDJ]

The most likely scenario is this case will remain cold and unsolved. I do think it's possible that one or more of his friends may know more then what they are saying. My sympathy and prayers go out to Lisa and Brian

 

[ChatteringBirds]

My theory* Josh went to the no doubt concert that took place October 2002 in st.paul Minnesota he met an unidentified individual a college student exchanged dorm phone numbers and email addresses. He made plans to meet up with that unidentified college student and entered that individuals car at 12:35 am on the bridge the night of Nov 9th going into Nov 10th and taking to the interstate they went up to the university of Minnesota and Josh attended a dorm party and died there and it was covered up

If your theory is true, that he died at a party and it was covered-up, more than one person knows and should come forward. Really sad to think about.

 

[AlienDJ]

His uncle Paul died just recently I believe.

 

[AlienDJ]

(A) Josh went to the card game had his wallet with him as reported by his friend. he left at 11:45 pm was back in his dorm at 11.52 pm listening to music left after Midnight probably left his music playing was seen by witness between 12:15 and 12:30 am on the bridge and the police search dog hit on the bridge where the scent was lost. Him being in the water pretty much ruled out so that would mean he got into a car. (B) Nick and Katie the discrepancy can be explained by daylight savings and the clock not being set correctly. (C) Brain and Paul used his computer and then his roommates later used a thumb drive uploaded files after deleting what was there having to do with fake IDs. The 300 files could have been writings of Hamilton he retrieved earlier. Note: don't go down rabbit holes!!

 

[infohuntah]

"My theory* Josh went to the no doubt concert that took place October 2002 in st.paul Minnesota he met an unidentified individual a college student exchanged dorm phone numbers and email addresses. He made plans to meet up with that unidentified college student and entered that individuals car at 12:35 am on the bridge the night of Nov 9th going into Nov 10th and taking to the interstate they went up to the university of Minnesota and Josh attended a dorm party and died there and it was covered up.

is there any evidence of josh going to a no doubt concert?

 

[Squeelz]

is there any evidence of josh going to a no doubt

Nothing confirmed and there were no ticket stubs in his personal possessions for the concert (although he did keep ticket stubs for other events like sports he’d attended), unless he did have one and the police have it?

 

[CountSnap]

"My theory* Josh went to the no doubt concert that took place October 2002 in st.paul Minnesota he met an unidentified individual a college student exchanged dorm phone numbers and email addresses. He made plans to meet up with that unidentified college student and entered that individuals car at 12:35 am on the bridge the night of Nov 9th going into Nov 10th and taking to the interstate they went up to the university of Minnesota and Josh attended a dorm party and died there and it was covered up. It's also, possible he was making a drug sale probably: "marijuana." Also, if you look at the photos of unidentified males, one is a student of the university of Minnesota as he's holding a football his varsity jacket is hanging up to the left of him and on the jacket looks like a gopher logo.

How did you come to this theory?
Is there anything that shows he would have gone or did go to the No Doubt concert?
This is almost incredibly specific.

 

[Gophers_FTW]

How did you come to this theory?
Is there anything that shows he would have gone or did go to the No Doubt concert?
This is almost incredibly specific.

One of the female online personas he supposedly created was 'GwenGirl....' which seems to have been a nod to No Doubt's singer. IIRC there was also a Gwen S. poster in his dorm room, and his roommate mentioned that they were fans of hers in an article. It was mentioned earlier in this thread.

I don't think there is any evidence that he actually attended a ND concert. No comment on this theory as a whole.

 

[CountSnap]

One of the female online personas he supposedly created was 'GwenGirl....' which seems to have been a nod to No Doubt's singer. IIRC there was also a Gwen S. poster in his dorm room, and his roommate mentioned that they were fans of hers in an article. It was mentioned earlier in this thread.

I don't think there is any evidence that he actually attended a ND concert. No comment on this theory as a whole.

Thank you. That does lend some possibility for the concert.

 

[cenazoic]

No Doubt performed on October 9, 2002 in St Paul. They also had two opening acts (The Distillers and Good Charlotte.)

October 9th was a Wednesday.

According to the LA Times, the Nov 25th show there lasted 90 mins (No Doubt) and opening act Garbage played for an additional 45. (I spent way too much time trying to find specifics about the St Paul show to no avail, and since this is all speculation anyway, “good enough for gov’mint work”.)

If we take that as a rough estimate of average showtime (2 - 2:15 hrs), and add on another hour for parking and getting into Xcel/ out, plus minimum 2.5 hour round trip drive from Collegeville (~85 miles from St Paul.)

So let’s just call it a minimum of 6 hours of driving + show on a Wednesday night. If he didn’t have class the next day, or at least no early morning classes, doable.

Do we know his class schedule?

(I’m also not sure what this gets us - even if we knew he did attend the show, so did tens of thousands of other people. And then what?)

 

[infohuntah]

(A) Josh went to the card game had his wallet with him as reported by his friend. he left at 11:45 pm was back in his dorm at 11.52 pm listening to music left after Midnight probably left his music playing was seen by witness between 12:15 and 12:30 am on the bridge and the police search dog hit on the bridge where the scent was lost. Him being in the water pretty much ruled out so that would mean he got into a car. (B) Nick and Katie the discrepancy can be explained by daylight savings and the clock not being set correctly. (C) Brain and Paul used his computer and then his roommates later used a thumb drive uploaded files after deleting what was there having to do with fake IDs. The 300 files could have been writings of Hamilton he retrieved earlier. Note: don't go down rabbit holes!!

Going to break down what I agree and disagree with respectfully.

A) Wallet was reported to be with Josh by his friend. This source says he didn't have his wallet but another source (see attached to post) says he did. Alex Jude seemingly has no reason to lie. So I'm going to work on the assumption Josh did have his wallet with him that night.

B) Daylight savings time was at the end of october in 2002 was it not? I think that is a real stretch to say that the daylight savings would be wrong approx 2 weeks later.

C) We don't know if the room mates used a thumb drive and we don't know if the fakeID's are related to the case or they are an incidental find.

I don't think there is any evidence that he actually attended a ND concert. No comment on this theory as a whole.

Agreed. I have been thinking about this for a few months and because there's no "official" information about it, and considering the concert was a month earlier (Oct 9th, 2002), I'm not sure how much value to place on this.

My 2 cents: later that month however, we do know that A) Josh was said to have "deleted a Yahoo chat program from his computer on October 28, 2002". and B) there was a 20+ minute phone call on the same day 28th Oct, 2002.

We can only guess what this was for. If I had to guess, I'd say it *might* be a call to Yahoo themselves. Back in 2002, you could report a user to Yahoo via phone. "Yahoo's Agent for Notice of claims of copyright or other intellectual property infringement" had a telephone number. For anyone interested, you can read about ToC from 2002 here.

Is the Yahoo stuff related to his disappearance? I'm inclined to think maybe not, but I'm open to discussion.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

In an interview, Patrick Marker said, “I hope it doesn’t take a deathbed confession by law enforcement, a monk, a friend, or a classmate to solve this crime. I think that is probably what is going to end up happening, and that’s too bad for Joshua and everybody on campus,” said Patrick Marker.

“Holding onto these secrets is bad for the soul, anyone who has information about this or other cases, sometimes you think that you are being protective and sometimes you think that you’re being quiet for the right reasons, but please people need to shine a light on dishonesty and the problems of the past,” Marker said.

What happened to Joshua Guimond?

On the night of November 9, 2002, a college junior at Saint John’s University went missing. Gone without a trace, this case has been without new information and has been a cold case for approximately 21 years, 22 years this upcoming November. Why has there been no new information released to the...

thelesabre.com

https://www.lrl.mn.gov/archive/minutes/senate/2024/jud/20240415/Jud_20240415_SF4480-Brian-Guimond-letter.pdf

 

[cenazoic]

A) Wallet was reported to be with Josh by his friend. This source says he didn't have his wallet but another source (see attached to post) says he did.

And just my 2 cents, but it would make sense to bring your wallet to a poker game, no? I suppose the question we haven’t asked/answered is whether he actually played any cards, or just hung out socializing.

I don’t generally think that just because one person remembers something one way, and another something else, there’s anything suspicious other than common human inattention/forgetfulness, especially after time has passed, over a detail that probably wasn’t notable at the time.

B) Daylight savings time was at the end of october in 2002 was it not? I

October 27th.

we do know that A) Josh was said to have "deleted a Yahoo chat program from his computer on October 28, 2002". and B) there was a 20+ minute phone call on the same day 28th Oct, 2002.

I go back and forth about all the Yahoo, fake IDs, and all the generally computer-related activities. On the one hand, mostly sounds like totally normal college stuff (minus the fake ID thing, if he was actually running a ‘business’). Even with the later release of the men’s pictures who potentially had contact with Josh via Yahoo, I think people forget that in 2002, ‘chatting’ was a big thing, and not just for dating/hookup purposes. A lot of (voice) chatting with randoms still goes in in spaces like online gaming.

So there’s all that, but then there’s the simple fact that he went missing without a trace, and these are some of the only leads, so we cling to them, feverishly turning them over and over, searching desperately for some deeper meaning. Do they, individually or as a group, mean anything in the context of his disappearance? I wish we knew if LE knows the answer to that.

 

[infohuntah]

And just my 2 cents, but it would make sense to bring your wallet to a poker game, no? I suppose the question we haven’t asked/answered is whether he actually played any cards, or just hung out socializing.

I always wondered why the poker party group didn't clarify if they usually played for money. Poker isn't much fun without playing for some kind of prize. But then, Josh was only there for no more than 30~ mins give or take. I know from personal experience, having played poker on just 2-3 occasions, it's almost impossible to finish a game so fast. I get the impression Josh didn't actually play poker during his time at Metten Ct.

I go back and forth about all the Yahoo, fake IDs, and all the generally computer-related activities. On the one hand, mostly sounds like totally normal college stuff (minus the fake ID thing, if he was actually running a ‘business’). Even with the later release of the men’s pictures who potentially had contact with Josh via Yahoo, I think people forget that in 2002, ‘chatting’ was a big thing, and not just for dating/hookup purposes. A lot of (voice) chatting with randoms still goes in in spaces like online gaming.

As far as I'm aware, the police dept didn't ever comment further on the photographs found. I do wonder if they're actively on the case.

So there’s all that, but then there’s the simple fact that he went missing without a trace, and these are some of the only leads, so we cling to them, feverishly turning them over and over, searching desperately for some deeper meaning. Do they, individually or as a group, mean anything in the context of his disappearance? I wish we knew if LE knows the answer to that.

You summed it up well. We could be over analysing every detail, whilst some things are just purely coincidental. The problem is, we don't know which is which. I think we'd all like LE to comment and bring us all up to speed.

 

[mlhenn]

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[infohuntah]

Recently someone asked about police interviews. This was the article that mentions re-interviewing friends:

Gone without a trace: Joshua Guimond’s 19-year disappearance fuels Minnesota father’s lawsuit and quest for truth

Brian Guimond said he does have a theory as to what happened to his son, but at this point, he’s tight-lipped. He does believe the truth will come out — although, he doesn’t believe it will be the result of the investigation currently being handled by the Stearns County Sheriff’s Office.

www.inforum.com

Article was published in 2021, so I am unsure what has taken place since then.

 

[cenazoic]

I always wondered why the poker party group didn't clarify if they usually played for money. Poker isn't much fun without playing for some kind of prize. But then, Josh was only there for no more than 30~ mins give or take. I know from personal experience, having played poker on just 2-3 occasions, it's almost impossible to finish a game so fast.

Just as a slight disagreement over nothing much, I think it depends on how you define a “game” of poker. If you define it as playing multiple hands with the same group until one person has all the money, then yes, it generally takes longer than 30 minutes. If it’s a more casual thing, where people drop in and out after a hand or two, then it’s totally possible.

In re: playing for money, it seems gambling would’ve been a no-no on campus, so perhaps it was a smallish, predictable lie to keep from getting into trouble with the university.

That said, I also get the impression Josh didn’t play, but couldn’t tell you why I get that feeling.

 

[infohuntah]

Just as a slight disagreement over nothing much, I think it depends on how you define a “game” of poker. If you define it as playing multiple hands with the same group until one person has all the money, then yes, it generally takes longer than 30 minutes. If it’s a more casual thing, where people drop in and out after a hand or two, then it’s totally possible.

In re: playing for money, it seems gambling would’ve been a no-no on campus, so perhaps it was a smallish, predictable lie to keep from getting into trouble with the university.

That said, I also get the impression Josh didn’t play, but couldn’t tell you why I get that feeling.

I wouldn't disagree, but as you say, I'm not sure it plays a huge part in the disappearance itself. It's more the fact that he left so soon, allegedly without anyone seeing, and no one knowing where he was going to go.

 

[TheManCalledX]

I Believe Josh Arranged A Date Through Yahoo Personals And Entered That Unknown Individuals Car On The Footbridge Never To Be Seen Again.

 

[TheManCalledX]

I have a question to anyone who has looked into this case and my question would be this Josh looked into St Johns statue of limitations conspiracy he also, looked into oddites of the woods. When he looked into oddites of the woods, was that the same day of that 20 minute phone call in his dorm ?