MN MN - Joshua Guimond, 20, Collegeville, 9 Nov 2002

[Sasquatch321]

Wednesday, November 13, 2002:*The Minnesota National Guard stepped in to aid in the search, providing 118 troops and equipment and searching a 16-square mile area surrounding campus, including swamps and woods. After a search dog picked up Joshua’s scent near Stumpf Lake, a snake-like body of water located on the route Joshua would have taken back to his apartment, the decision to lower the water level in order to search the lake was approved. Searches and dragging of the lake uncovered no clues. Requests to totally drain Stumpf Lake awaited DNR approval.

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[Sasquatch321]

Wednesday, November 13, 2002:*The Minnesota National Guard stepped in to aid in the search, providing 118 troops and equipment and searching a 16-square mile area surrounding campus, including swamps and woods. After a search dog picked up Joshua’s scent near Stumpf Lake, a snake-like body of water located on the route Joshua would have taken back to his apartment, the decision to lower the water level in order to search the lake was approved. Searches and dragging of the lake uncovered no clues. Requests to totally drain Stumpf Lake awaited DNR approval.

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Can you guys even believe that after all of this, LE still hasn't chosen to interview any of the monks around that night? What is going on around here?

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[Trino]

Well, to be honest, I cannot believe how the entire investigation went. Just to put this in perspective, the Reker girls case has gone unsolved for 43 years. It took 26 for the Wetterling case. I have a feeling there are more years and unsolved major crimes in Stearns County.

 

[Sasquatch321]

Well, to be honest, I cannot believe how the entire investigation went. Just to put this in perspective, the Reker girls case has gone unsolved for 43 years. It took 26 for the Wetterling case. I have a feeling there are more years and unsolved major crimes in Stearns County.

Wrong, The Investigator assigned to the case is satisfied with what's been done, and also says "I have nothing."

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[Sasquatch321]

A team of four Trident Foundation volunteers brought sophisticated equipment to search three lakes at St. John’s on May 13 and 14. The Trident Foundation, based in Fort Collins, Colorado, is a nonprofit organization designed to respond to drownings or water-based crime situations across the U.S. with highly qualified volunteers. The team sent to St. John’s consisted of Cliff Schmidt, a retired Marine patrol deputy from Hennepin County, Brett Correster, a dive team member of the Sheriff’s Department in Grand Junction, Colorado, and fire department chiefs Kurt Bozenhardt and David Arrington.

Lakes searched on the St. John’s campus were Stumpf, Gemini and Sagatagan. Stumpf and Gemini have been the focus of Stearns County Sheriff’s Department efforts, while Sagatagan became an area of interest after a bloodhound appeared to pick up Joshua’s scent there during several winter searches.

According to Scott Romme, Trident Foundation Executive Director, the crew used sidescan sonar search techniques, using multiple directional passes to insure complete and overlapping coverage. And all three lakes were cleared by the team.

“There were no targets identified that will require any additional search efforts on these lakes,” Romme said. “There is never a guarantee that human remains could have been hidden or dumped in a body of water and are now hidden from the sidescan sonar technology. However, based on the reports from the field, I would recommend that the search for Josh head in another direction.

“The Stearns County Sheriff’s Office has spent an exhaustive amount of time and resources in and around these bodies of water. Those efforts, coupled with our technologies and efforts should provide a very high degree of reassurance to the family and the community that Josh is most probably somewhere else.”



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[Sasquatch321]

Could it be more than a coincidence that another young male, Jacob Wetterling, was abducted just a few miles away on October 22, 1989 in St. Joseph, 13 years before Guimond went missing, and that no trace of either Wetterling or Guimond has ever been found?

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[Sasquatch321]

Could it be more than a coincidence that another young male, Jacob Wetterling, was abducted just a few miles away on October 22, 1989 in St. Joseph, 13 years before Guimond went missing, and that no trace of either Wetterling or Guimond has ever been found?

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We found Wetterling and don't have an answer yet if they've asked Heinrich about Josh...

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[Ozoner]

Wednesday, November 13, 2002:*The Minnesota National Guard stepped in to aid in the search, providing 118 troops and equipment and searching a 16-square mile area surrounding campus, including swamps and woods. After a search dog picked up Joshua’s scent near Stumpf Lake, a snake-like body of water located on the route Joshua would have taken back to his apartment, the decision to lower the water level in order to search the lake was approved. Searches and dragging of the lake uncovered no clues. Requests to totally drain Stumpf Lake awaited DNR approval.

Apparently Stumpf Lake is 76 acres and 36 feet deep in places. It is entirely possible that Josh's body settled into a hole. Most drowning victims' bodies eventually rise, but some don't. If Joshua was very fit and had a low body fat percentage, that would make it more likely for his body not to rise.

Abduction is pretty unlikely, and he was too old to be a likely Heinrich victim. If he was killed, the murderer was probably someone he knew.

 

[Sasquatch321]

Apparently Stumpf Lake is 76 acres and 36 feet deep in places. It is entirely possible that Josh's body settled into a hole. Most drowning victims' bodies eventually rise, but some don't. If Joshua was very fit and had a low body fat percentage, that would make it more likely for his body not to rise.

Abduction is pretty unlikely, and he was too old to be a likely Heinrich victim. If he was killed, the murderer was probably someone he knew.

I agree abduction is unlikely considering Josh's age and without a trace of anything. He went missing within Heinrichs circle of terror so it has to be questioned. I wonder if the route through saint johns is the route that heinrich took wetterling from saint joe to paynesville.

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[Sasquatch321]

Apparently Stumpf Lake is 76 acres and 36 feet deep in places. It is entirely possible that Josh's body settled into a hole. Most drowning victims' bodies eventually rise, but some don't. If Joshua was very fit and had a low body fat percentage, that would make it more likely for his body not to rise.

Abduction is pretty unlikely, and he was too old to be a likely Heinrich victim. If he was killed, the murderer was probably someone he knew.

With this being the more probable answer than an abduction, has sonar equipment gone HD or gotten better since 2002? in thr most probable areas of water we would expect him to be, would it be worth it to use new tech to find the shoes, wristwatch, or his skeletal remains? should we study these holes in the lakes closer?

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[geojeffrey]

I disagree that the lake is the more probable answer for where Josh is… It has been searched several times and cleared by subject matter expert‘s.

The campus is full of known sex offenders, it is probably among the highest concentration of sex offenders anywhere on the planet…


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[Sasquatch321]

I disagree that the lake is the more probable answer for where Josh is… It has been searched several times and cleared by subject matter expert‘s.

The campus is full of known sex offenders, it is probably among the highest concentration of sex offenders anywhere on the planet…


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I disagree with you. Thus isn't the monks type of crime. abduction and murder? yes they are accused but of what kind? it's younger children and a longer grooming process. Josh just suddenly left a party. He left that party without a coat and without glasses and was intoxicated. Both scenarios are as possible to each other.

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[Sasquatch321]

I will also say this, if Josh was taken by a monk, hes not that hard to find. it was a monk that was allowed to be out that late and it was a monk most likely overseeing the buildings that night.

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[yurena]

I disagree that the lake is the more probable answer for where Josh is… It has been searched several times and cleared by subject matter expert‘s.

The campus is full of known sex offenders, it is probably among the highest concentration of sex offenders anywhere on the planet…


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Excuse my ignorance on this matter -I am not from the USA- what do you mean by "the campus is full of known sex offenders"? That the surrounding area of the campus JG was attending university in has residents who are sex offenders or that they are actually attending classes there because these individuals are considered "rehabilitated" so to speak (I do not believe in rehabilitation myself, let alone in those who have committed particularly heinous crimes)?

Thanks for any clarification you can provide on this.

 

[Trino]

Excuse my ignorance on this matter -I am not from the USA- what do you mean by "the campus is full of known sex offenders"? That the surrounding area of the campus JG was attending university in has residents who are sex offenders or that they are actually attending classes there because these individuals are considered "rehabilitated" so to speak (I do not believe in rehabilitation myself, let alone in those who have committed particularly heinous crimes)?

Thanks for any clarification you can provide on this.

While I am definitely not saying I agree, the thought of some is the university has sex offenders running the university. Although one community sex offender was recently convicted of a 26 yr old murder sex crime, the area around the school is normal people.

 

[Corrupt2theCore]

Sasquatch321;Agree but monks monks monks. After 15 years we havent even narrowed it down to any specific monk. There is 100 of them.

Actually there are 132 monks and 600 lay oblates.

 

[Corrupt2theCore]

I disagree with you. Thus isn't the monks type of crime. abduction and murder? yes they are accused but of what kind? it's younger children and a longer grooming process. Josh just suddenly left a party. He left that party without a coat and without glasses and was intoxicated. Both scenarios are as possible to each other.

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Accused of what?!?!
Maybe this will help you:

The List: 97 Credibly Accused


Tracking the Public Lists


Since the 1930s, fifty-eight (58) monks and twelve (12) other members of the Saint John’s community have been credibly accused of sexual abuse and/or other misconduct. Another twenty-seven (27) men with strong ties to St. John’s have also been accused of abuse or misconduct.


*** Type 1: Saint John’s Abbey Monks Accused of Sexual Abuse or Misconduct (56)


1. Fr. Michael Bik (Reportedly Still at Abbey)
2. Br. Isaac Connolly (Reportedly Still at Abbey)
3. Fr. Richard Eckroth (Reportedly Still at Abbey)
4. Fr. Thomas Gillespie (Reportedly Still at Abbey) (SJP ’55) (SOT ’64)
5. Fr. Brennan Maiers (Reportedly Still at Abbey) (SJP ’54)
6. Fr. Finian McDonald (Reportedly Still at Abbey)
7. Fr. Dunstan Moorse (Reportedly Still at Abbey)
8. Fr. Francisco Schulte (Reportedly Still at Abbey)
9. Fr. Allen Tarlton (Reportedly Still at Abbey) (SJP ’46)
10. Br. Jim Phillips (Reportedly Still at Abbey)


11. Fr. Tom Andert (Active, Former SJP Headmaster, Former Prior) (SJP ’65)
12. Fr. Tim “Timo” Backous (Active, Abbey, Former SJP Headmaster)
13. Fr. Donald Tauscher (Active, Abbey)
14. Fr. Jonathan Licari (Active, Abbey, Headmaster at SJP)
15. Fr. Daniel Ward (Active, Maryland) (SJP ’62)
16. Fr. Mel Taylor (Active, Abbey)
17. Fr. Chrysostom Kim (Active, Abbey)
18. Fr. Simeon Thole (Active, Abbey)
19. Fr. Thomas Thole (Active, Abbey) (SJP ‘ 53)
20. Fr. Cyril Gorman (Active, Japan)
21. Fr. Anthony Ruff (Active, Abbey, SOT Faculty)
22. Fr. Jerome Tupa (Active, Abbey & St. Joseph, MN)
23. Fr. Jerome Coller (Active, Abbey)
24. Fr. Robert Koopman (Active, Abbey, Professor at SJU)


25. Fr. Fran Hoefgen (Left Monastery, Cities)
26. Br. John Kelly (Left Monastery, Cities)
27. Br. Stephen Lilly (Left Monastery, Cities) (SJP ’74)
28. Fr. Howard Oaks Mossier (Left Monastery, Alabama)
29. Fr. Nathan Libaire (Left Monastery, Santa Fe)
30. Br. Jason Griffith (Left Monastery, Cities)


31. Fr. James Kelly (Left Monastery, Deceased)
32. Fr. Augustine Strub (Left Monastery, Deceased)
33. Fr. Casimir Plakut (Left Monastery, Deceased)
34. Fr. Agustine Cerezo Murillo (Left Monastery, Deceased)
35. Fr. Callistus Edie (Left Monastery, Deceased)
36. Br. Robert Burke (Left Monastery, Worked for Archdiocese, Deceased)


37. Br. Andre Bennett (Deceased)
38. Fr. Cosmas Dahlheimer (Deceased)
39. Fr. Bruce Wollmering (Deceased) (SJP ‘ 58)
40. Fr. Peregrin Berres (Deceased)
41. Fr. Robert Blumeyer (Deceased)
42. Abbot John Eidenschink (Deceased) (SJP ‘ 31)
43. Fr. Mathias Faue (Deceased)
44. Fr. Othmar Hohmann (Deceased)
45. Abbot Timothy Kelly (Deceased)
46. Br. Paschal Brisson (Deceased)
47. Fr. Dominic Keller (Deceased)
48. Fr. Alban Fruth (Deceased)
49. Fr. Aelred Tegels (Deceased)
50. Fr. Angelo Zankl (Deceased) (SJP ‘ 18)
51. Br. Zaccheus Zuehlke (Deceased)
52. Fr. Pirmin Wendt (Deceased)
53. Fr. Aloysius Michels (Deceased) (SJP ‘ 30)
54. Fr. Roger Botz (Deceased)
55. Fr. Gerald Farrell (Deceased)
56. Fr. Gregory Soukup (Deceased)
57. Fr. Phil Harrer (Deceased)
58. Fr. Burkard Anthony Arnheiter (Deceased)


*** Type 2: Lay Personnel from St. John’s Accused of Sexual Abuse or Misconduct (5)


1. Terry DeSutter (Alive, 2002 Settlement)
2. Steve Pavkovich (Alive, Banned from Campus)
3. Roger Julkowski (Deceased, “The Farm&#8221
4. Matthew Feeney (Alive, Prison)
5. Miguel Diaz (Alive, SOT Faculty)


*** Type 3: Visiting Priests or Seminarians Accused of Sexual Abuse or Misconduct (7)


1. Fr. Paul GoPaul (Deceased)
2. Fr. Anthony Smithwick (Alive, England?)
3. Fr. Bede Parry (Deceased)
4. Fr. Michael Brunovsky (Alive, HS Principal in Ohio)
5. Fr. Jure Christie (Deceased)
6. Seminarian Frank Donovan – Diocese of St. Cloud (Unknown)
7. Msgr. Vincent Yzermans – Diocese of St. Cloud (Teacher, SJP, 1974)





*** Type 4: Priests Named by MN Dioceses with St. John’s Ties. (26)


Archdiocese of St. Paul & Minneapolis (3)


1. Rev. Gilbert DeSutter (SJU ’50)
2. Rev. Alfred Longley (CSB/SJU Retreat Master)
3. Rev. Gil Gustafson (ISTI Board)


Diocese of St. Cloud (14)


1. Rev. Sylvester Gall (SJU ’34) (SOT ’38)
2. Rev. William Garding (SOT ’82)
3. Rev. Raymond C. Jacques (SOT ’48)
4. Rev. Val Klimek (SJU ’40)
5. Rev. Joseph Kremer (SJU ’63) (Staff, SJU Staff 1976-1984)
6. Rev. Richard Kujawa (SJU SOT ’50)
7. Rev. James Mohm (SJU SOT ’27)
8. Rev. Donald Rieder (SJU ’51)
9. Rev. Peter Snyers St. John’s (SJU SOT ’53)
10. Rev. Allan Speiser (SJU ’45)
11. Rev. James Thoennes (SJU ’60)
12. Rev. William Wey (SJU ’42)
13. Deacon Michael Weber (SJU ’66)
14. Rev. Antonio Marfori (SJU ’72) Named in lawsuit on October 13, 2015


Diocese of Duluth (3)


1. Rev. Leonard Colston (SOT 1979)
2. Rev. (Thomas) Gregory Manning (SJU ’40)(SOT ’44)
3. Rev. Dennis Puhl (SOT ’74)


Diocese of Winona (2)


1. Louis G. Cook (SJU ’54) (SOT ’58)
2. Rev. William Curtis (Admissions Volunteer, 1979)


Diocese of Crookston (1)


1. Stanley Bourassa (SJU ’51)


Diocese of New Ulm (3)


1. Rev. Bernard Steiner (SJU ’56)
2. Rev. Richard Gross (SJU ’56, SOT ’58)
3. Rev. Dennis Becker (SJU ’57)


*** Type 5: Students of the School of Theology Accused of Abuse or Misconduct


1. Rev. Anthony Tony Oelrich (SOT ’92)

 

[Corrupt2theCore]

“The Power House was steam based and had a network of pipes connecting it to just about every building on campus, as well as a series of tunnels. Not only did this allow for heat, but also for electricity and for pumping water to a reservoir.”


“As a way to reduce dependence on fossil fuels, SJU decided in 1981 to invest in a solid waste incinerator to burn trash from the campus and surrounding areas for energy. This plan lasted six years, until in 1986, when, for a number of unspecified reasons, the incinerator was switched to burn wood instead.”


“In 2011, the Power House enacted a two year plan to ending in October 2013 to switch from using coal as its primary source of fuel to natural gas. This switch was predicted to reduce CO2 emissions by 58 percent, plus reduce any runoff into the lake. Coal and fuel oil were to be used as secondary and reserve sources for the plant.


After serving as a campus landmark for over 70 years, the brick smokestack at the St. John's Power House is scheduled for demolition beginning September 6th, 2016. The stack is not able to accommodate emmisions from natural gas burning boilers without a significant investment, and the stack has the potential to pose a safety hazard if left standing due to deterioration of the brick.”


Evidence needed to be found immediately, because now it's gone forever....

 

[Corrupt2theCore]

Sasquatch321;13770576]Exactly, according to the father that is what happened. And now we have an investigator who says he wouldn't change anything about ehat they did early on. Did they talk to everyone they should have? Or are the monks too privy and important for that?

That investigator also stated in that story, that cell phones and security cameras were not around in 2002. I personally owned a cell phone in 1997. Security cameras have been around long before that, and SJ's had them. Don't believe everything you hear, especially when it comes from SCSO.... Things haven't changed much there besides some fresh faces free of egg on their faces!

 

[Corrupt2theCore]

"[FONT=&amp]Nov 22nd Brian Asked the Sheriff if the Freeway was checked to see if anyone had seen anyone looking like Josh on the nite of Nov. 9th and Early am of Nov. 10th. {{{{{He said all exits had been checked, and personell had been questoned.}}}} Then the Sheriff asked Brian are you done in New York???[/FONT][FONT=&amp]Then in a threatening voice said “YOU TAKE CARE”[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]New York meaning a TV program about Josh's case.[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]Nov. 23th. Volunteers Starting at Midnite went to Rogers to the East and Alexandria to the West, Stopping at every exit and talking to the people working in any place that was open, Asking if on the nite of Nov. 9th and early on Nov.10th they were working, all said yes, then they asked if any Police,
Sheriff, or any Law Enforcement had shown up and asked questions about a Missing Student.
They all said NO Law enforcement personel had stoped and questioned them."

Doesn't sound like investigators did much of anything, other than get caught in a web of their lies again....[/FONT]