MN - Justine Damond, 40, fatally shot by Minneapolis LE, 15 July 2017 #1

[Jennifer17]

Without a weapon? How would you stop an assault? You wouldn't be afraid of being assaulted too? You're a brave woman.

I would go looking without a weapon, just maybe thinking that my yelling at him and knowing that I had called the police was enough to scare him off.

 

[MyBelle]

Hiding from the cops in fear?

if you want to believe the assault victim didn't want police help, go for it.

 

[Jennifer17]

If someone is screaming in an alley, dontcha think other neighbors would hear it?

Police can't control what the media reports or what the son and his father say to the media that the media repeats. But the Minneapolis police chief and Mayor have both made it very clear that an investigation is underway and they won't comment until they know more.

Oh, they may have heard it but ignored it because if they called the police, they may be dead too. The 'don't get involved' scenario.

 

[katydid23]

I'm pretty sure all police recruits get the same training no matter what their race happens to be.

I know they all get the same opportunity for training. But it doesn't mean they are all equally capable.

 

[Jennifer17]

if you want to believe the assault victim didn't want police help, go for it.

I wouldn't blame her, after all, the woman who tried to help her ended up dead. And if the woman who may have been being assaulted had any kind or record, she would now be being blasted all over the Internet.

 

[Jennifer17]

I know they all get the same opportunity for training. But it doesn't mean they are all equally capable.

Something we agree on.

 

[everybodhi]

if you want to believe the assault victim didn't want police help, go for it.

If I were being assaulted and the cops already killed my sweet yoga teacher neighbor that called to report my assault, I would not want their focus on me, that's for sure.
Especially if I were a witness of the shooting.
That goes for all neighborhood witnesses.

 

[Jennifer17]

If I were being assaulted and the cops killed the neighbor that called to report my assault, I would not want their focus on me, that's for sure.
Especially if I were a witness of the shooting.
That goes for all neighborhood witnesses.

That is scarey!

 

[katydid23]

It is a different world. Would you ever think that if you called the police you would end up being shot or if you were pulled over for a broken tail light that you could end up dead? Unbelievable to the rest of the civilised world.

Why do you think the police might end up pulling their weapons ? Have you seen the crimes stats in the inner cities?

It is hard to put all of the blame on the police officers when they are surrounded by hundreds of violent gang members , most of them armed.

Here are some crime stats for Minneapolis, last year:

http://www.startribune.com/statistics-show-minneapolis-violent-crime-edged-up-in-2016/409711555/

The city recorded 2,274 aggravated assaults — a crime category that includes shootings and is considered a key measure of how safe a city is — up from 2,051 the previous year. The number of homicides fell from 50 to 37 during the same period. Robberies also declined, but rapes and sexual assaults jumped more than 6 percent.

Meanwhile, arrests are down for every crime category except automobile thefts. Police made 8,963 fewer arrests in 2016 for crimes from homicide to arson, despite the rise in overall crime.

Observers speculate that the decline was caused by everything from the department’s embrace of a community policing model that emphasized public relations over cracking down to an apparent monthslong work slowdown in response to intense public criticism after the November 2015 shooting death of Jamar Clark during a struggle with two officers.

Police statistics show that of 340 people shot in Minneapolis through last week, 215 were on the city’s North Side. In 2015, there were 260 shooting victims citywide."




So 340 people shot in Minneapolis in ONE week----and we wonder why the cops might be quick to pull out their weapons when they are in a dark alley?

 

[MissUnderstood]

Without a weapon? How would you stop an assault? You wouldn't be afraid of being assaulted too? You're a brave woman.

You don't need to run in with fists ablazing! But I could see someone making there presence known and hope a perp runs in fear of being caught. You Don't need to be brave to help people, and you certainly don't need a weapon. Moo


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[Rocco]

I would go looking without a weapon, just maybe thinking that my yelling at him and knowing that I had called the police was enough to scare him off.

I have a gun and I wouldn't go outside if I heard someone screaming. MAYBE the assault was a woman beating on her husband and screaming because he went to a Twins game instead of staying home and painting the kid's bedroom like he said he would do. You never know. The police were called so let them sort it out.

 

[everybodhi]

If someone is screaming in an alley, dontcha think other neighbors would hear it?

Police can't control what the media reports or what the son and his father say to the media that the media repeats. But the Minneapolis police chief and Mayor have both made it very clear that an investigation is underway and they won't comment until they know more.

Police work with the media every single day, I am very interested in hearing your alternate theory to the media account, you're not giving an alternative, just, "the media may be wrong" and your implications seem to lean towards somehow, inexplicitly, blaming the dead victim but maybe I'm reading you wrong?

How do you know that no other neighbors heard it?
How do you know LE has not gotten tons of statements from witnesses?
Witnesses have been mentioned in several articles, flashing police lights on a Saturday night by one's home tends to bring a lot of people to the window, I've been known to venture on my porch to hear better if things are happening, myself. Curiosity is human nature, no?

If the entire media narritive is wrong, what is your alternate scenario?
And what are the dead woman's son and fiancé's motive to lie about the 911 call?

 

[Jennifer17]

Why do you think the police might end up pulling their weapons ? Have you seen the crimes stats in the inner cities?

It is hard to put all of the blame on the police officers when they are surrounded by hundreds of violent gang members , most of them armed.

Here are some crime stats for Minneapolis, last year:

http://www.startribune.com/statistics-show-minneapolis-violent-crime-edged-up-in-2016/409711555/

The city recorded 2,274 aggravated assaults — a crime category that includes shootings and is considered a key measure of how safe a city is — up from 2,051 the previous year. The number of homicides fell from 50 to 37 during the same period. Robberies also declined, but rapes and sexual assaults jumped more than 6 percent.

Meanwhile, arrests are down for every crime category except automobile thefts. Police made 8,963 fewer arrests in 2016 for crimes from homicide to arson, despite the rise in overall crime.

Observers speculate that the decline was caused by everything from the department’s embrace of a community policing model that emphasized public relations over cracking down to an apparent monthslong work slowdown in response to intense public criticism after the November 2015 shooting death of Jamar Clark during a struggle with two officers.

Police statistics show that of 340 people shot in Minneapolis through last week, 215 were on the city’s North Side. In 2015, there were 260 shooting victims citywide."




So 340 people shot in Minneapolis in ONE week----and we wonder why the cops might be quick to pull out their weapons when they are in a dark alley?[/QUOTE

Well, you can post all those stats, but Justine was not in a dark alley and she was not in a high crime area and most importantly she was not carrying a weapon.

 

[Rocco]

You don't need to run in with fists ablazing! But I could see someone making there presence known and hope a perp runs in fear of being caught. You Don't need to be brave to help people, and you certainly don't need a weapon. Moo


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Yeah---'hope a perp runs' are the key words. And hope he doesn't run after you. Calling 911 was the right kind of help.

 

[Jennifer17]

I have a gun and I wouldn't go outside if I heard someone screaming. MAYBE the assault was a woman beating on her husband and screaming because he went to a Twins game instead of staying home and painting the kid's bedroom like he said he would do. You never know. The police were called so let them sort it out.

But that is the difference. I would go out, because I am not scared that someone has a gun and this Australian woman probably thought that too.

 

[MissUnderstood]

Why do you think the police might end up pulling their weapons ? Have you seen the crimes stats in the inner cities?

It is hard to put all of the blame on the police officers when they are surrounded by hundreds of violent gang members , most of them armed.

Here are some crime stats for Minneapolis, last year:

http://www.startribune.com/statistics-show-minneapolis-violent-crime-edged-up-in-2016/409711555/

The city recorded 2,274 aggravated assaults — a crime category that includes shootings and is considered a key measure of how safe a city is — up from 2,051 the previous year. The number of homicides fell from 50 to 37 during the same period. Robberies also declined, but rapes and sexual assaults jumped more than 6 percent.

Meanwhile, arrests are down for every crime category except automobile thefts. Police made 8,963 fewer arrests in 2016 for crimes from homicide to arson, despite the rise in overall crime.

Observers speculate that the decline was caused by everything from the department’s embrace of a community policing model that emphasized public relations over cracking down to an apparent monthslong work slowdown in response to intense public criticism after the November 2015 shooting death of Jamar Clark during a struggle with two officers.

Police statistics show that of 340 people shot in Minneapolis through last week, 215 were on the city’s North Side. In 2015, there were 260 shooting victims citywide."




So 340 people shot in Minneapolis in ONE week----and we wonder why the cops might be quick to pull out their weapons when they are in a dark alley?

Where does this leave the citizens? You can't get police assistance without fear? I guess I just cannot fathom how things work over in the US.

While Australia is not without crime, and indeed has its own scandals, it does not in anyway compare to the US. How did things become so broken???

I understand police are going into unknown situations, as all officers do, in all countries around the world. How can this happen so frequently in such a westernised country. I'd like to know stats on this kind of occurrence and see how it rates between.




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[Jennifer17]

Where does this leave the citizens? You can't get police assistance without fear? I guess I just cannot fathom how things work over in the US.

While Australia is not without crime, and indeed has its own scandals, it does not in anyway compare to the US. How did things become so broken???

I understand police are going into unknown situations, as all officers do, in all countries around the world. How can this happen so frequently in such a westernised country. I'd like to know stats on this kind of occurrence and see how it rates between.




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We had that kind of corruption and out of power police in the seventies, (Roger Rogerson et al) and the Queensland Royal Commision, but we fixed it long ago.

 

[Jennifer17]

And if she was shot in the abdomen, she , would not have died instantly. She would have died from internal bleeding and she would have suffered unbearable pain

 

[KaaBoom]

Yes. Philando Castile taught us that they absolutely can.

Exactly, I don't understand why anyone is surprised by this. As long as juries continue to empower cops to murder whomever they like, I don't know why they would stop doing it. This case will be just like the rest. They will investigate it for two years. Sometime in 2019 they will announce if the cop will be charged with manslaughter or not. If he is charged, the DA will make a lame attempt to prosecute the case, with a pro-police jury. He will be found not guilty. Then a civil jury will award the woman's family a lot of money. The same way it happens every single time.

 

[KaaBoom]

It's interesting how some people have a natural sort of trust of police officers while others have a general feeling of distrust.

The ones who trust the police are in the most danger, as this case clearly shows.