MN - Justine Damond, 40, fatally shot by Minneapolis LE, 15 July 2017 #1

[everybodhi]

Why do you think the police might end up pulling their weapons ? Have you seen the crimes stats in the inner cities?

It is hard to put all of the blame on the police officers when they are surrounded by hundreds of violent gang members , most of them armed.

Here are some crime stats for Minneapolis, last year:

http://www.startribune.com/statistics-show-minneapolis-violent-crime-edged-up-in-2016/409711555/

The city recorded 2,274 aggravated assaults — a crime category that includes shootings and is considered a key measure of how safe a city is — up from 2,051 the previous year. The number of homicides fell from 50 to 37 during the same period. Robberies also declined, but rapes and sexual assaults jumped more than 6 percent.

Meanwhile, arrests are down for every crime category except automobile thefts. Police made 8,963 fewer arrests in 2016 for crimes from homicide to arson, despite the rise in overall crime.

Observers speculate that the decline was caused by everything from the department’s embrace of a community policing model that emphasized public relations over cracking down to an apparent monthslong work slowdown in response to intense public criticism after the November 2015 shooting death of Jamar Clark during a struggle with two officers.

Police statistics show that of 340 people shot in Minneapolis through last week, 215 were on the city’s North Side. In 2015, there were 260 shooting victims citywide."




So 340 people shot in Minneapolis in ONE week----and we wonder why the cops might be quick to pull out their weapons when they are in a dark alley?[/QUOTE

Well, you can post all those stats, but Justine was not in a dark alley and she was not in a high crime area and most importantly she was not carrying a weapon.

Crime stats aren't police risk stats, in reality there are many riskier jobs than being a cop but it's the only job where one can shoot someone for being "scary" and have essential immunity behind a thin blue line.

 

[katydid23]

Well, you can post all those stats, but Justine was not in a dark alley and she was not in a high crime area and most importantly she was not carrying a weapon.

But the crime stats are evidence of what the police are dealing with. And the stats were in response to the earlier statement, about how unbelieveble it is someone might get shot during a traffic stop. The stats are a way of explaining what the officers are dealing with in that city.

It does not matter if it is a high crime area or not. Criminals go to nicer areas to do home invasions and rapes and car jackings quite often.

I agree totally that this victim was not doing anything criminal and should not have been shot.[ for any reason that we are now aware of anyway. ]

But when 340 people are shot in one week in one city, the cops have good reason to be on high alert at all times. Especially at night in an alley.

 

[Jennifer17]

Where does this leave the citizens? You can't get police assistance without fear? I guess I just cannot fathom how things work over in the US.

While Australia is not without crime, and indeed has its own scandals, it does not in anyway compare to the US. How did things become so broken???

I understand police are going into unknown situations, as all officers do, in all countries around the world. How can this happen so frequently in such a westernised country. I'd like to know stats on this kind of occurrence and see how it rates between.



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Holy moley why would she swap Manly for Minneapolis?

 

[Jennifer17]

But the crime stats are evidence of what the police are dealing with. And the stats were in response to the earlier statement, about how unbelieveble it is someone might get shot during a traffic stop. The stats are a way of explaining what the officers are dealing with in that city.

It does not matter if it is a high crime area or not. Criminals go to nicer areas to do home invasions and rapes and car jackings quite often.

I agree totally that this victim was not doing anything criminal and should not have been shot.[ for any reason that we are now aware of anyway. ]

But when 340 people are shot in one week in one city, the cops have good reason to be on high alert at all times. Especially at night in an alley.

But these numbers of people shot are only in the US. Other countries in the world do not have those stats. Why do you think that is?

 

[KaaBoom]

No, they haven't supplied us with any story or to Justine's family.

They should have their cameras rolling when they interact with the public. I have to assume that their car was stationary seeing Justine was speaking to the driver.

They should be required to have their cameras running from the start of their shift to the end. The cameras are worthless when they just turn them on and off at will.

 

[everybodhi]

Holy moley why would she swap Manly for Minneapolis?

Her man?

 

[everybodhi]

But the crime stats are evidence of what the police are dealing with. And the stats were in response to the earlier statement, about how unbelieveble it is someone might get shot during a traffic stop. The stats are a way of explaining what the officers are dealing with in that city.

It does not matter if it is a high crime area or not. Criminals go to nicer areas to do home invasions and rapes and car jackings quite often.

I agree totally that this victim was not doing anything criminal and should not have been shot.[ for any reason that we are now aware of anyway. ]

But when 340 people are shot in one week in one city, the cops have good reason to be on high alert at all times. Especially at night in an alley.

The crime stats for the Fulton neighborhood are some of the lowest in the entire state, they had one arrest for assault last year in her 'hood.

It is a beautiful neighborhood with great prices on homes, I can see why she felt safe walking outside there at night, the people I know that live in Minneapolis love it there.
https://www.trulia.com/real_estate/Fulton-Minneapolis/4009/crime/

 

[JanetElaine]

Why do you think the police might end up pulling their weapons ? Have you seen the crimes stats in the inner cities?

It is hard to put all of the blame on the police officers when they are surrounded by hundreds of violent gang members , most of them armed.

Here are some crime stats for Minneapolis, last year:

http://www.startribune.com/statistics-show-minneapolis-violent-crime-edged-up-in-2016/409711555/

The city recorded 2,274 aggravated assaults — a crime category that includes shootings and is considered a key measure of how safe a city is — up from 2,051 the previous year. The number of homicides fell from 50 to 37 during the same period. Robberies also declined, but rapes and sexual assaults jumped more than 6 percent.

Meanwhile, arrests are down for every crime category except automobile thefts. Police made 8,963 fewer arrests in 2016 for crimes from homicide to arson, despite the rise in overall crime.

Observers speculate that the decline was caused by everything from the department’s embrace of a community policing model that emphasized public relations over cracking down to an apparent monthslong work slowdown in response to intense public criticism after the November 2015 shooting death of Jamar Clark during a struggle with two officers.

Police statistics show that of 340 people shot in Minneapolis through last week, 215 were on the city’s North Side. In 2015, there were 260 shooting victims citywide."




So 340 people shot in Minneapolis in ONE week----and we wonder why the cops might be quick to pull out their weapons when they are in a dark alley?

THROUGH last week. Not during. Those stats are for 2017 'so far' - 'up until and including last week'.

 

[everybodhi]

I haven't tried to blame her nor did I suggest she was drunk and we won't know that fact until the toxicology results are released. The fact is, we don't know the facts to judge the officer guilty of murder.

Homicide.
We can follow the coroner's example and call it homicide.
The fact is he admits he shot her, dead.
Can we agree on that?

 

[katydid23]

But these numbers of people shot are only in the US. Other countries in the world do not have those stats. Why do you think that is?

It cannot be discussed without breaking TOS.

 

[katydid23]

THROUGH last week. Not during. Those stats are for 2017 'so far' - 'up until and including last week'.

oh yeah, through april---so 4 months---not much better

 

[katydid23]

Why do you think the police might end up pulling their weapons ? Have you seen the crimes stats in the inner cities?

It is hard to put all of the blame on the police officers when they are surrounded by hundreds of violent gang members , most of them armed.

Here are some crime stats for Minneapolis, last year:

http://www.startribune.com/statistics-show-minneapolis-violent-crime-edged-up-in-2016/409711555/

The city recorded 2,274 aggravated assaults — a crime category that includes shootings and is considered a key measure of how safe a city is — up from 2,051 the previous year. The number of homicides fell from 50 to 37 during the same period. Robberies also declined, but rapes and sexual assaults jumped more than 6 percent.

Meanwhile, arrests are down for every crime category except automobile thefts. Police made 8,963 fewer arrests in 2016 for crimes from homicide to arson, despite the rise in overall crime.

Observers speculate that the decline was caused by everything from the department’s embrace of a community policing model that emphasized public relations over cracking down to an apparent monthslong work slowdown in response to intense public criticism after the November 2015 shooting death of Jamar Clark during a struggle with two officers.

Police statistics show that of 340 people shot in Minneapolis through last week, 215 were on the city’s North Side. In 2015, there were 260 shooting victims citywide."




So 340 people shot in Minneapolis in FOUR MONTHS /B]----and we wonder why the cops might be quick to pull out their weapons when they are in a dark alley?

It is too late to edit and I messed up ^^^^ that statistic.... [ 4 months, not one week]

 

[katydid23]

The crime stats for the Fulton neighborhood are some of the lowest in the entire state, they had one arrest for assault last year in her 'hood.

It is a beautiful neighborhood with great prices on homes, I can see why she felt safe walking outside there at night, the people I know that live in Minneapolis love it there.
https://www.trulia.com/real_estate/Fulton-Minneapolis/4009/crime/

Of course she felt safe. That is a great neighborhood. She should be alive and well and planning her wedding...:rose:

 

[katydid23]

Exactly, I don't understand why anyone is surprised by this. As long as juries continue to empower cops to murder whomever they like, I don't know why they would stop doing it. This case will be just like the rest. They will investigate it for two years. Sometime in 2019 they will announce if the cop will be charged with manslaughter or not. If he is charged, the DA will make a lame attempt to prosecute the case, with a pro-police jury. He will be found not guilty. Then a civil jury will award the woman's family a lot of money. The same way it happens every single time.

I don't think so, in this particular case. I think they will bring manslaughter charges.

 

[MyBelle]

I know they all get the same opportunity for training. But it doesn't mean they are all equally capable.

And that is where proof is needed.

 

[MyBelle]

Homicide.
We can follow the coroner's example and call it homicide.
The fact is he admits he shot her, dead.
Can we agree on that?

The officer hasn't admitted to anything.

 

[Jennifer17]

I don't think so, in this particular case. I think they will bring manslaughter charges.

I am pretty sure that they will too, but if she were not an Australian citizen living in the US, I am not sure that they would. This has gone international, All over the UK and European and Aus/asian news sites.

 

[MyBelle]

Homicide.
We can follow the coroner's example and call it homicide.
The fact is he admits he shot her, dead.
Can we agree on that?

No because I've seen no coroner calling it a homicide nor have I seen an admission the police officer admitted he shot her? Care to post a link?

 

[MyBelle]

Homicide.
We can follow the coroner's example and call it homicide.
The fact is he admits he shot her, dead.
Can we agree on that?

I have yet to see the coroner rule it a homicide. I have yet to see the officer admit he shot her. There seems to be a lot of wishful thinking trying to invent facts in this case.

 

[Jennifer17]

The officer hasn't admitted to anything.

Yeah? He hasn't admitted to shooting her? The bullets just flew out of his gun, because ...........................welll,,,,,,,,, because guns just pick themselves up all by themselves and shoot people.