MN - Justine Damond, 40, fatally shot by Minneapolis LE, 15 July 2017 #1

[LietKynes]

Fireworks are very common, regardless of the date being long past July 4. What statement did Mpls police issue regarding fireworks?

RSBM

www.startribune.com/minneapolis-pol...-justine-damond-minnesota-bca-says/435251273/
Near the end of the alley, a “loud sound” startled Harrity.

So, Harrity issued the statement.(supposedly)


nypost.com/2017/07/18/cop-startled-by-noise-before-shooting-bride-to-be-investigators/

www.smh.com.au/nsw/justine-damonds-...rnbull-to-demand-answers-20170718-gxdz6u.html

www.abc.net.au/news/2017-07-19/justine-damond-shooting-mayor-wants-officer-to-tell-his-story/8723054

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4708820/Fireworks-startle-cop-shot-Justine-Damond-dead.html

www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-40651470


I'm thinking this may have been more about 'reverse r acism'... since the cop (Noor) is recently from Somalia (afaik, he is NOT a U.S. citizen -- bad move for the MN PD);
and he most likely shot Justine out of hate for her skin color and no other reason.

In which case the entire Minneapolis PD is at fault for knowingly hiring a loser.... and not doing any proper background check on him.
Careless of law enforcement in Minnesota.

Background checks on cops or those training to do that job are a MUST. Or at least they should be ! Even factories and hospitals will do a background check if necessary.

:moo:

 

[Eclipse]

news reporter asked about that and at this point they are saying there was no one found in that block.

Thanks for the information.

 

[Elley Mae]

Yes, so it might have been the assault victim they were seeing. I suppose it's not known from which direction Justine came to the police the car and whether they saw her walking up. I am so confused.

Harrity said he and Noor responded to Ruszczyk’s 911 call of a possible assault and searched the alley for a suspect. Harrity said he was driving south through the alley between Washburn and Xerxes with the squad lights off, while Noor was in the passenger seat.

“As they reached West 51st Street, Officer Harrity indicated that he was startled by a loud sound near the squad,” states a news release. “Immediately afterward Ruszczyk approached the driver’s side window of the squad. Harrity indicated that Officer Noor discharged his weapon, striking Ruszczyk through the open driver’s side window.”

http://www.southwestjournal.com/new...igation-continues-without-officers-testimony/

 

[turaj]

RSBM

She was 5-6 houses down from her house, she was outside.
Obviously trying to help the victim, I'd assume !
MOO

i do not think she had made any contact with the victim...maybe looking for where the screams were coming from at the time the officers pulled in. Then was telling them about what she heard and bang.

 

[Eclipse]

RSBM

www.startribune.com/minneapolis-pol...-justine-damond-minnesota-bca-says/435251273/
Near the end of the alley, a “loud sound” startled Harrity.

So, Harrity issued the statement.(supposedly)


nypost.com/2017/07/18/cop-startled-by-noise-before-shooting-bride-to-be-investigators/

www.smh.com.au/nsw/justine-damonds-...rnbull-to-demand-answers-20170718-gxdz6u.html

www.abc.net.au/news/2017-07-19/justine-damond-shooting-mayor-wants-officer-to-tell-his-story/8723054

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4708820/Fireworks-startle-cop-shot-Justine-Damond-dead.html

www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-40651470

heavy.com/news/2017/07/mohamed-noor-justine-damond-ruszczyk-new-update-latest/


I'm thinking this may have been more about 'reverse r acism'... since the cop (Noor) is recently from Somalia (afaik, he is NOT a U.S. citizen -- bad move for the MN PD);
and he most likely shot Justine out of hate for her skin color and no other reason.

In which case the entire Minneapolis PD is at fault for knowingly hiring a loser.... and not doing any proper background check on him.
Careless of law enforcement in Minnesota.

Background checks on cops or those training to do that job are a MUST. Or at least they should be ! Even factories and hospitals will do a background check if necessary.

:moo:

I think police officers, military people, and others in such authority positions should be citizens in all cases.

 

[turaj]

Fireworks are very common, regardless of the date being long past July 4. What statement did Mpls police issue regarding fireworks?

on the police clip call you can hear someone talking about some fireworks on a building but nothing about right at the car or anything

 

[Elley Mae]

https://www.criminaljusticedegreesc...-metro-area/minneapolis-officer-requirements/

Applicants to the Minneapolis Police Department must be a minimum of 21 years of age, have a Minnesota driver’s license, and be a citizen of the United States. Interested candidates may only submit an application during open recruitment periods. Candidates must have at least an associate’s degree or five years of continuous law enforcement or military experience to be considered for employment. Prospective officers must pass each stage of the hiring process to be conditionally hired as police recruits.

RSBM

www.startribune.com/minneapolis-pol...-justine-damond-minnesota-bca-says/435251273/
Near the end of the alley, a “loud sound” startled Harrity.

So, Harrity issued the statement.(supposedly)


nypost.com/2017/07/18/cop-startled-by-noise-before-shooting-bride-to-be-investigators/

www.smh.com.au/nsw/justine-damonds-...rnbull-to-demand-answers-20170718-gxdz6u.html

www.abc.net.au/news/2017-07-19/justine-damond-shooting-mayor-wants-officer-to-tell-his-story/8723054

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4708820/Fireworks-startle-cop-shot-Justine-Damond-dead.html

www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-40651470


I'm thinking this may have been more about 'reverse r acism'... since the cop (Noor) is recently from Somalia (afaik, he is NOT a U.S. citizen -- bad move for the MN PD);
and he most likely shot Justine out of hate for her skin color and no other reason.

In which case the entire Minneapolis PD is at fault for knowingly hiring a loser.... and not doing any proper background check on him.
Careless of law enforcement in Minnesota.

Background checks on cops or those training to do that job are a MUST. Or at least they should be ! Even factories and hospitals will do a background check if necessary.

:moo:

 

[sallye818]

I think whatpopsicle was saying earlier upthread (correct me if I'm wrong) was that Justine may have heard a rabbit or fox screaming, thought it was a woman being assaulted, and called 911. Thus, the reason no victim was found or has spoken out.

 

[turaj]

RSBM

www.startribune.com/minneapolis-pol...-justine-damond-minnesota-bca-says/435251273/
Near the end of the alley, a “loud sound” startled Harrity.

So, Harrity issued the statement.(supposedly)


nypost.com/2017/07/18/cop-startled-by-noise-before-shooting-bride-to-be-investigators/

www.smh.com.au/nsw/justine-damonds-...rnbull-to-demand-answers-20170718-gxdz6u.html

www.abc.net.au/news/2017-07-19/justine-damond-shooting-mayor-wants-officer-to-tell-his-story/8723054

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4708820/Fireworks-startle-cop-shot-Justine-Damond-dead.html

www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-40651470


I'm thinking this may have been more about 'reverse r acism'... since the cop (Noor) is recently from Somalia (afaik, he is NOT a U.S. citizen -- bad move for the MN PD);
and he most likely shot Justine out of hate for her skin color and no other reason.

In which case the entire Minneapolis PD is at fault for knowingly hiring a loser.... and not doing any proper background check on him.
Careless of law enforcement in Minnesota.

Background checks on cops or those training to do that job are a MUST. Or at least they should be ! Even factories and hospitals will do a background check if necessary.

:moo:

boy Liet not sure where you are coming from. Someone correct me if I am wrong but I don't think you can be a Minneapolis office and not be a uS citizen. this man had been here since he was young...our community has many many somalians that may not be citizens but Noor I am sure is. You can turn this into racism but I don't think that is a factor here.

 

[Eclipse]

https://www.criminaljusticedegreesc...-metro-area/minneapolis-officer-requirements/

Applicants to the Minneapolis Police Department must be a minimum of 21 years of age, have a Minnesota driver’s license, and be a citizen of the United States. Interested candidates may only submit an application during open recruitment periods. Candidates must have at least an associate’s degree or five years of continuous law enforcement or military experience to be considered for employment. Prospective officers must pass each stage of the hiring process to be conditionally hired as police recruits.

So I guess he was a citizen or they really messed up.

 

[popsicle]

latest news here at noon indicate that Harrity (partner) says something about a situation like that you have to be worried about an "ambush"...."ambush" by a woman in pj's and some kids shooting fireworks. I repeat this is a very quiet neighborhood and I get if these cops had been in another area of our city but that thought is not even rational on this call. There have been 911 releases and other documents so I assume as they come out in public we will hear.

LE have to stay alert for this possibility more so now then ever before. They have been ambushed eating a meal somewhere in public, sitting in their vehicle, even going into and leaving their barracks just to name a few.

What percentage of people here think that there should be a different requirement for an officer to shoot at an unknown person rather than a known dangerous person? The reason I ask is because I get the feeling threatened defense when trying to stop or arrest someone that has a history of violence but I don’t get just being free to shoot and kill someone that startles you or acting odd.

No, I do not.

 

[turaj]

https://www.criminaljusticedegreesc...-metro-area/minneapolis-officer-requirements/

Applicants to the Minneapolis Police Department must be a minimum of 21 years of age, have a Minnesota driver’s license, and be a citizen of the United States. Interested candidates may only submit an application during open recruitment periods. Candidates must have at least an associate’s degree or five years of continuous law enforcement or military experience to be considered for employment. Prospective officers must pass each stage of the hiring process to be conditionally hired as police recruits.

and there you have it. someone here on some sort of mission?

 

[turaj]

LE have to stay alert for this possibility more so now then ever before. They have been ambushed eating a meal somewhere in public, sitting in their vehicle, even going into and leaving their barracks just to name a few.



No, I do not.

yes I guess that is true but "ambush" sounds well so wild west.

 

[LietKynes]

I think police officers, military people, and others in such authority positions should be citizens in all cases.

SABBM

Haven't read anywhere that Noor is a citizen. And what was he doing in Somalia ? According to some news sites... it's a hotbed for terrorist training.
:moo:

 

[everybodhi]

So now the police say there were sounds of fireworks ?
Hellooo.... the 4th of July is long over. No one was lighting fireworks now.
That is over and done with around July 5th by the latest !

So, who is lying ? Noor, his partner--- or the entire Minneapolis PD ??

Something is very very wrong ; with an entire deceptive police dept.

One bad cop I can certainly understand. But all of them ? Why would the police dept. issue a statement about fireworks when it never happened ? When the holiday for setting off fireworks is long over ?

Pretty sad situation when a law enforcement division can no longer be trusted to even tell the truth !!!

I am losing faith in law enforcement. I am losing my respect for them.
:moo:

In my neighborhood kids were shooting off firecrackers last night.
I'm not a cop but I can distinguish between gun fire and firecrackers.

 

[Elley Mae]

SABBM

Haven't read anywhere that Noor is a citizen. And what was he doing in Somalia ? According to some news sites... it's a hotbed for terrorist training.
:moo:

“He came to the United States at a young age and is thankful to have had so many opportunities,” Thomas Plunkett, Noor’s attorney, said Monday. “…For him, being a police officer is a calling.”

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/07/1...-shot-jessica-damond-lauded-by-community.html

Noor, 31, attended Augsburg College in Minneapolis and earned a degree in business administration, management and economics, The Star Tribune reported.

But despite reportedly viewing the police force as his “calling,” Noor took a winding road to the department’s door. He first had jobs in residential property management and as the general manager of a hotel, according to The Star Tribune.

 

[kittycat3]

Liet, what's your source that says Noor is recently from Somalia? I keep reading he came to US at young age. Please cite.

 

[LietKynes]

boy Liet not sure where you are coming from. Someone correct me if I am wrong but I don't think you can be a Minneapolis office and not be a uS citizen. this man had been here since he was young...our community has many many somalians that may not be citizens but Noor I am sure is. You can turn this into racism but I don't think that is a factor here.

RSBM

The main problem is that law enforcement has not cooperated with the public .... no one is satisfied that this was accidental. So what is the motive ?
First, LE said that she was behind her house, then they said she was several houses down from her own, then they said she appeared at the car and surprised them.
What is it ???

My .02 is that Noor is very problematic for whatever reason--- and no one at the MPD saw fit to train him properly .
And because of that, an innocent citizen is dead.
This was very preventable.
:moo:

 

[Eclipse]

SABBM

Haven't read anywhere that Noor is a citizen. And what was he doing in Somalia ? According to some news sites... it's a hotbed for terrorist training.
:moo:

All I can find is that he came here at a very young age. That doesn't necessarily mean he is a citizen. Nothing says he became a citizen at 10 years old- or whatever age, though he may have. :/

 

[kittycat3]

What percentage of people here think that there should be a different requirement for an officer to shoot at an unknown person rather than a known dangerous person? The reason I ask is because I get the feeling threatened defense when trying to stop or arrest someone that has a history of violence but I don’t get just being free to shoot and kill someone that startles you or acting odd.

Cobra, how do you define "unknown person" vs "known dangerous person"?