MN - Justine Damond, 40, fatally shot by Minneapolis LE, 15 July 2017 #1

[Doghairrules]

She gave her address when she called 911. Doesn't sound like they were going to even stop by her actual address to investigate what she heard. At least from what I read, they were about to leave the area.

And since when do cops investigate from their squad cars???


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[turaj]

And since when do cops investigate from their squad cars???


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the more I think about this the more I wonder...yes normally they get out of their cars a bit away from the potential problem and walk there...I mean really....investigate from their car? Maybe in a very high crime area but this area is far from that.

 

[Rocco]

Because he and his family are very strict muslims. In pictures the women in his family are all wearing long dresses and long head coverings. It has to be considered IMO. Especially since the shooter says being a cop "is his calling" and shoots an unarmed woman in pjs at least twice maybe more in the abdomen. He also has a history of previously man handeling another woman.

Where are you getting that he shot her in the abdomen 'at least twice maybe more'?

According to Harrity, his partner:

'Harrity told agents that Officer Noor discharged his weapon, striking Damond through the open driver’s side window. The officers immediately exited the squad and provided medical attention, but the 40-year-old Damond died at the scene of a single gunshot wound to the abdomen.'

http://www.khou.com/news/bca-officer-startled-before-justine-damond-shooting/457866855

 

[popsicle]

the more I think about this the more I wonder...yes normally they get out of their cars a bit away from the potential problem and walk there...I mean really....investigate from their car? Maybe in a very high crime area but this area is far from that.

The problem is they weren't investigating an address, but essentially a neighborhood or the alley or such.

 

[Jennifer17]

Where are you getting that he shot her in the abdomen 'at least twice maybe more'?

According to Harrity, his partner:

'Harrity told agents that Officer Noor discharged his weapon, striking Damond through the open driver’s side window. The officers immediately exited the squad and provided medical attention, but the 40-year-old Damond died at the scene of a single gunshot wound to the abdomen.'

http://www.khou.com/news/bca-officer-startled-before-justine-damond-shooting/457866855

As an RN, I have to say that pumping on someones chest who has an internal bleed from a gunshot wound to the abdomen would hasten her death.

 

[turaj]

The problem is they weren't investigating an address, but essentially a neighborhood or the alley or such.

as I recall the 911 call indicated the exact address ....in fact she called back again to make sure they had it right...and she said the sounds were behind her home...so yes I would expect them to be walking around and not in the car...but could have been other reasons.

 

[everybodhi]

Where are you getting that he shot her in the abdomen 'at least twice maybe more'?

According to Harrity, his partner:

'Harrity told agents that Officer Noor discharged his weapon, striking Damond through the open driver’s side window. The officers immediately exited the squad and provided medical attention, but the 40-year-old Damond died at the scene of a single gunshot wound to the abdomen.'

http://www.khou.com/news/bca-officer-startled-before-justine-damond-shooting/457866855

The coroner confirms,

"The Hennepin County medical examiner said Monday evening that Damond, also known as Justine Ruszczyk, died from a gunshot wound to the abdomen."

http://m.startribune.com/minneapoli...-damond-identified-as-mohamed-noor/434975623/

 

[Rocco]

The problem is they weren't investigating an address, but essentially a neighborhood or the alley or such.

I would imagine if they get a call about a woman screaming, they would drive to the location, put down their window, and listen for a screaming woman. If they didn't hear anything, they would call the dispatcher back and ask him/her to contact the reporting party to find out if she was still hearing screaming because they were at the location and didn't hear anything. They would then go from there.
After the shooting, the PD did send other officers to investigate the original call of someone being assaulted.

 

[everybodhi]

As an RN, I have to say that pumping on someones chest who has an internal bleed from a gunshot wound to the abdomen would hasten her death.

Two rookies without adequate training or experience.
Probably saving money by putting rookies everywhere they think they can get away with to make their budget work.
A new recruit makes a little over $29,000, a third year supervisor, almost $60,000.
Two cops for the price of one.

http://www.minneapolismn.gov/www/groups/public/@hr/documents/webcontent/wcmsp-197266.xlsx

 

[popsicle]

as I recall the 911 call indicated the exact address ....in fact she called back again to make sure they had it right...and she said the sounds were behind her home...so yes I would expect them to be walking around and not in the car...but could have been other reasons.

Right, behind her house in the alley somewhere.

 

[everybodhi]

I would imagine if they get a call about a woman screaming, they would drive to the location, put down their window, and listen for a screaming woman. If they didn't hear anything, they would call the dispatcher back and ask him/her to contact the reporting party to find out if she was still hearing screaming because they were at the location and didn't hear anything. They would then go from there.
After the shooting, the PD did send other officers to investigate the original call of someone being assaulted.

They knew it was in the alley, I would think, if the 911 operator relayed her call properly.

 

[colette]

Where are you getting that he shot her in the abdomen 'at least twice maybe more'?

According to Harrity, his partner:

'Harrity told agents that Officer Noor discharged his weapon, striking Damond through the open driver’s side window. The officers immediately exited the squad and provided medical attention, but the 40-year-old Damond died at the scene of a single gunshot wound to the abdomen.'

http://www.khou.com/news/bca-officer-startled-before-justine-damond-shooting/457866855

Ok I guess only one bullet actually hit the poor woman but he open fired at her. He shot at her multiple times.

Harrity, the squad car driver, was speaking to Damon who was stood outside the car window when Noor leaned across him and opened fire.
Noor shot multiple times, hitting Damon once in the abdomen. She died at 11.51pm from the gunshot wound, the autopsy revealed.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...n-died-single-shot-abdomen.html#ixzz4nLJgsVOD
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[Rocco]

They knew it was in the alley, I would think, if the 911 operator relayed her call properly.

And they were in the alley---probably listening for the sound of a screaming woman. And if they had heard one, they would have exited their patrol car to investigate. If they get a call that there is a burglary in progress, they would get out of their car to investigate but I can understand not getting out of their vehicle to investigate a woman screaming when they have not yet pinpointed any screaming . It's not like they were through with the call and they were leaving. My guess is they were trying to locate the exact location of the screaming and if there was none or it had stopped, then they would have gotten out of their car at the address of the calling party to speak to her and to investigate further. I find nothing odd about them not immediately getting out of their patrol car to investigate but that's JMO.

 

[Bazinga]

I'm following this story from Australia.
From photos in media reports it seems people have placed flowers and drawn messages with chalk outside Justine's garage door. I'm guessing this garage door is on the alley as google pic of the victim's house doesn't show a garage. Justine may have gone out through her garage when she saw/heard the police were there thinking things were safe or to introduce herself and see what had happened. I wonder if raising the garage door would make a loud sound, the sound the police said they heard. I feel very sad for her family and friends. It does sound like she was simply trying to do the right thing.

 

[Rocco]

Ok I guess only one bullet actually hit the poor woman but he open fired at her. He shot at her multiple times.

Harrity, the squad car driver, was speaking to Damon who was stood outside the car window when Noor leaned across him and opened fire.
Noor shot multiple times, hitting Damon once in the abdomen. She died at 11.51pm from the gunshot wound, the autopsy revealed.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...n-died-single-shot-abdomen.html#ixzz4nLJgsVOD
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Thanks for the link but just between us----I'll bet you an ice cold root beer from the A&W that the information is wrong and Noor only fired at her once. Naturally, I could be wrong, but I just have a feeling that this reporting isn't accurate. We'll find out for sure very soon, I hope.

 

[K_Z]

As an RN, I have to say that pumping on someones chest who has an internal bleed from a gunshot wound to the abdomen would hasten her death.

This is a wildly inaccurate assessment of the situation, and a thoroughly incorrect statement.

The organ and tissue concussion (not the same thing as a head concussion) and trauma from the close range gunshot wound that shredded her insides hastened her death, not the CPR.

Cops are taught BLS/ basic CPR procedures. They are taught to do CPR when there is an absence of a pulse. With damage so severe that cardiac arrest occurred almost immediately, there is literally nothing that the cops could have done by applying CPR to "hasten her death". In cardiac arrest from massive trauma, that patient is dead already.

There is nothing that can be done to keep blood circulating when organs and the circulatory system is effectively shredded and destroyed by the concussion of a close range GSW. The only possible exception might be a stab wound or GSW occurring in close proximity (like the parking lot of an ER) to a fully prepped and staffed trauma OR with a heart lung bypass machine primed and ready to go, and a very skilled trauma surgeon at the ready. (And as we are doing more off pump hearts nowadays, the availability of a primed bypass machine and available tech is rare.) And even then, the concussive trauma from a close range GSW that produced cardiac arrest at the scene is not survivable. The crushing of tissue from the concussive effects of the GSW mean that circulation cannot be re-established. Cardiac arrest at the scene from trauma has an abysmal survival rate, no matter the cause of the trauma.

The cops did *exactly* what they should have done after the victim was shot-- assess the victim and begin CPR immediately. It's not their job to determine if CPR is going to be "effective" or not.

She was pronounced dead at 11:51 if I recall, and the second 911 call was at 10:37. She was essentially dead at the scene, but because of the circumstances of the GSW, they rapidly transported and gave her every chance, IMO. And IIRC she went to Hennepin County Medical Center, which is a level one trauma center, and quite accustomed to dealing with GSWs and multi trauma (unfortunately).

It is not medically accurate, nor reasonable, nor fair, to criticize the cops for starting CPR, and state that they "hastened her death" by doing so. The fact is that the GSW killed her, not the CPR.

 

[kittycat3]

So they are driving in the alley with lights off, and for whatever reason he has his window open, even though per his story he didn't converse with the woman who approached the car because she got shot right away. Is that plausible?

Yes. Window down so they could listen for yelling/disturbances.

While I think the sexist comments are disgusting, the misperceptions are certainly amusing. I'm female and my pjs are baggy tshirts and sweatpants or shorts. I would be willing to bet Ms. Damonds attire was similarly "comfortable" casual lounge wear. (Just my opinion.)

My guess: Noor had no idea if he was shooting a male or female or sadly even an adult - could easily have been a teen or a child if they were out late. He got spooked, panicked, and shot at her before realizing she was an unarmed female.

Just MOO

 

[kittycat3]

I'm following this story from Australia.
From photos in media reports it seems people have placed flowers and drawn messages with chalk outside Justine's garage door. I'm guessing this garage door is on the alley as google pic of the victim's house doesn't show a garage. Justine may have gone out through her garage when she saw/heard the police were there thinking things were safe or to introduce herself and see what had happened. I wonder if raising the garage door would make a loud sound, the sound the police said they heard. I feel very sad for her family and friends. It does sound like she was simply trying to do the right thing.

Hi from the US, Aussies. Most of us here are horrified by this too. We are sad and angry. I hope the international attention will help motivate change.

 

[K_Z]

Yes. Window down so they could listen for yelling/disturbances.

While I think the sexist comments are disgusting, the misperceptions are certainly amusing. I'm female and my pjs are baggy tshirts and sweatpants or shorts. I would be willing to bet Ms. Damonds attire was similarly "comfortable" casual lounge wear. (Just my opinion.)

My guess: Noor had no idea if he was shooting a male or female or sadly even an adult - could easily have been a teen or a child if they were out late. He got spooked, panicked, and shot at her before realizing she was an unarmed female.

Just MOO

BBM. I agree. More and more this looks like a case of the rookie cop being "twitchy" and worried about ambush executions. A totally valid concern these days, given the escalating number of ambush slayings of cops, and a concern that cops are briefed about virtually every shift during roll call.

I don't think what happened is at all associated with any racial, or religious, "identity politics" or "tribal association".

I think Noor made a grave, deadly mistake. I think he will be charged and tried for some kind of criminal manslaughter.

It's a tragedy from every angle. Many lives destroyed. I don't think Noor is a villain, but I do think he made a tremendous, deadly mistake, because he was scared.

We all have to accept that recruiting police officers is *extremely* difficult these days. Inexperienced, nervous rookies WILL be out on patrol. And IMO, these kind of situations will keep on occurring, hopefully not very often.

 

[Rocco]

Yes. Window down so they could listen for yelling/disturbances.

While I think the sexist comments are disgusting, the misperceptions are certainly amusing. I'm female and my pjs are baggy tshirts and sweatpants or shorts. I would be willing to bet Ms. Damonds attire was similarly "comfortable" casual lounge wear. (Just my opinion.)

My guess: Noor had no idea if he was shooting a male or female or sadly even an adult - could easily have been a teen or a child if they were out late. He got spooked, panicked, and shot at her before realizing she was an unarmed female.

Just MOO

I think your guess as to what happened is exactly what happened. In a nut shell.