MN - Justine Damond, 40, fatally shot by Minneapolis LE, 15 July 2017 #1

[Betty P]

BBM. I agree. More and more this looks like a case of the rookie cop being "twitchy" and worried about ambush executions. A totally valid concern these days, given the escalating number of ambush slayings of cops, and a concern that cops are briefed about virtually every shift during roll call.

I don't think what happened is at all associated with any racial, or religious, "identity politics" or "tribal association".

I think Noor made a grave, deadly mistake. I think he will be charged and tried for some kind of criminal manslaughter.

It's a tragedy from every angle. Many lives destroyed. I don't think Noor is a villain, but I do think he made a tremendous, deadly mistake, because he was scared.

We all have to accept that recruiting police officers is *extremely* difficult these days. Inexperienced, nervous rookies WILL be out on patrol. And IMO, these kind of situations will keep on occurring, hopefully not very often.

Have there been a lot of ambush executions of LE in the Twin Cities area? Just curious if locals could fill us in on the history of murderous attacks against LE in the area.

Here's a link I've found:

https://www.odmp.org/agency/2518-minneapolis-police-department-minnesota

It looks like there haven't been any deaths since 2009, that case was vehicular assault. The last death of a police officer by gunfire was in 2002, before that 2000.

Since 1888, there have been 48 "line of duty" deaths, with 27 of those from gunshot wounds. Other causes were auto and motorcycle accidents, heart attack, assault, etc.

It would appear that LE deaths by criminal activity are pretty rare in Minneapolis. Is it possible that LE are overestimating their risk of death at the hands of the general public? Sounds like some re-training would help officers to more realistically respond to the needs of the public without putting innocent people at such unnecesssary risk.

Minneapolis isn't Mogadishu, not by a long shot. There's too much ramped up hysteria over potential violence against LE and it's not serving any productive purpose. There's no rational excuse for this woman's death. If LE keeps increasing violence against innocent citizens, it's only going to escalate fear in the community, raising risk of retaliation. It's a recipe for disaster.

 

[Elley Mae]

Has anyone seen/ been able to find a pic/image of Harrity?

 

[turaj]

We have seen differing reports of whether or not the alley was well lit. You are stating your opinion as fact. MOO

I am basing it on my general knowledge of the alley living not far away and looking at it last night. And your basis is? The officers saying it was not? Sure it is not like daylight but then Justine was not far away either.

 

[turaj]

Has anyone seen/ been able to find a pic/image of Harrity?

His photo is simply not available anywhere. Any local coverage of the two has Noor and a blank for Harrity.

 

[jjenny]

Has anyone seen/ been able to find a pic/image of Harrity?

Yes, I have seen it.

 

[CoolJ]

Since they are a Verified Anesthetist, I would say yes....

ahhhh i don't know about that..... I will let K_Z answer the question herself.

 

[turaj]

Have there been a lot of ambush executions of LE in the Twin Cities area? Just curious if locals could fill us in on the history of murderous attacks against LE in the area.

Here's a link I've found:

https://www.odmp.org/agency/2518-minneapolis-police-department-minnesota

It looks like there haven't been any deaths since 2009, that case was vehicular assault. The last death of a police officer by gunfire was in 2002, before that 2000.

Since 1888, there have been 48 "line of duty" deaths, with 27 of those from gunshot wounds. Other causes were auto and motorcycle accidents, heart attack, assault, etc.

It would appear that LE deaths by criminal activity are pretty rare in Minneapolis. Is it possible that LE are overestimating their risk of death at the hands of the general public? Sounds like some re-training would help officers to more realistically respond to the needs of the public without putting innocent people at such unnecesssary risk.

Minneapolis isn't Mogadishu, not by a long shot. There's too much ramped up hysteria over potential violence against LE and it's not serving any productive purpose. There's no rational excuse for this woman's death. If LE keeps increasing violence against innocent citizens, it's only going to escalate fear in the community, raising risk of retaliation. It's a recipe for disaster.

I cannot tell you how calm the area is where this home is located. When I heard the term "ambush" I knew right away we were dealing with an atty setting up the defense here. And no this is not common here at all.

 

[Elley Mae]

ahhhh i don't know about that..... I will let K_Z answer the question herself.

Look under her user name. She's been verified.

 

[turaj]

We have seen differing reports of whether or not the alley was well lit. You are stating your opinion as fact. MOO

well true I was not there that night..speaking generally. could the lights all been burned out...well I suppose.

 

[turaj]

Yes, I have seen it.

do you recall where?

 

[turaj]

Look in this article (australian source).

http://www.news.com.au/world/north-...t/news-story/d57c65012e0e5b257858bc068b8b4ac2

well I think his attorney has effectively got a block on them publishing that here. But that story has a different twist...read it carefully..."A new account published by a local news outlet suggest a pounding on the police car led Mr Noor to believe he was being ambushed when he shot and killed Ms Damond."

Is it possible that Justine saw them leaving and wanted to speak with them and in order to get their attention pounded on the car? Now pounding on the car could signal an alert inside and makes much more sense than the other stories. Still not reason to shoot. I think this may be getting more at the truth.

 

[jjenny]

Not sure where that local story got the info. To the BCA, the driver cop simply claimed that he heard a noise, not that anyone was pounding on the car. If he believed somebody was pounding on the car, I presume he would have told BCA that. And the shooter cop hasn't even given an interview.

 

[kittycat3]

Scoop toward the middle of the article.

http://www.news.com.au/world/north-...t/news-story/d57c65012e0e5b257858bc068b8b4ac2

Thanks! I was coming up empty on an earlier search. Pic is fuzzy but he looks like a handsome young dude.

 

[kittycat3]

I cannot tell you how calm the area is where this home is located. When I heard the term "ambush" I knew right away we were dealing with an atty setting up the defense here. And no this is not common here at all.

Agreed turaj. Ambush - I scoff at this. NOT common here - or anywhere (yes there was a recent NYC police woman killed, very sad.) Atty is setting the stage by fearmongering with civilian - police violence woes.....

 

[turaj]

Not sure where that local story got the info. To the BCA, the driver cop simply claimed that he heard a noise, not that anyone was pounding on the car. If he believed somebody was pounding on the car, I presume he would have told BCA that. And the shooter cop hasn't even given an interview.

i am not sure either...i just scoured my local news here in Minneapolis and can't find anything however one thing that I remember is the step son to be did a utube video next morning...it was raw...and he mentioned how "passionate" his "Mom" was...I remember thinking did she do something that the police misconstrued or what? Now given how short of a time they were there...had the code 4 no indication that they had checked in with the caller and are leaving...she could have pounded the car frankly in frustration trying to get them to stop and talk to her? Certainly as plausible as hearing a "noise" and firing.

 

[Elley Mae]

Not sure where that local story got the info. To the BCA, the driver cop simply claimed that he heard a noise, not that anyone was pounding on the car. If he believed somebody was pounding on the car, I presume he would have told BCA that. And the shooter cop hasn't even given an interview.

True, it bothers me that what Harrity has told BCA has released what Harrity has said, it gives Noor the story line of what to say that fits with the story.

 

[CoolJ]

Look under her user name. She's been verified.

As a Physician??

 

[jjenny]

The driver cop simly says he heard a noise, and then saw Justine approaching his (driver's ) side window. Not sure why she would have to pound on the car. Anyhow, that story is attributed to anonymous sources so who is telling it?

 

[Elley Mae]

Mr Bennett hit out at claims the police officers involved feared an ambush.

“It’s ludicrous,” he said.

“It is disinformation being put out there for ... for I don’t know what. It doesn’t have any basis in fact.”

Mr Bennett said Ms Damond called her fiance, Don Damond, who was away, twice after hearing the noises behind her house.

“He recommended that she call 911,” Mr Bennett said.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...k=7463765942f578a65c3d46c421873a5f-1500558567

Mr Harrity, 26, who was driving the Minneapolis police car responding to Damond’s 911 call for help late Saturday night, described the last moments of Damond’s life to investigators.

He said the loud noise — which was possibly fireworks, according to police radio — came just as Damond walked to the squad car he was driving, around the corner from her home.

 

[RandomName479]

Does anyone know what the typical response time for police is? (like is 8 minutes extremely unusual?) Like the rest of you, trying to figure out what happened/what could have contributed to Justine's death. I am NOT trying to justify Noor's actions in any way, just trying to understand what may have been going through his mind. Total speculation, but I am wondering if the fact that she placed 2 calls to 911 in a relatively short period of time (despite being unsure of what she was hearing) may have caused the officers to be suspicious of the motives. (again, not saying she did anything wrong at all or that even if this were the case the shooting was justified) I really wish they would release the actual audio from the 911 calls. MOO