MN - Justine Damond, 40, fatally shot by Minneapolis LE, 15 July 2017 #2

[PrairieWind]

Is there a link that shows the actual search warrants? I can't seem to find them.

 

[Elley Mae]

HOUSE RESEARCH


http://www.house.leg.state.mn.us/hrd/pubs/ss/clss4th.pdf

 

[Karinna]

Is there a link that shows the actual search warrants? I can't seem to find them.

This was posted upthread
http://kstp.com/news/bca-search-warrant-justine-damond-australia/4552551/

 

[turaj]

Justine Damond's ashes to be brought home to Australia
Los Angeles: Justine Damond's final resting place will be Australia.

A memorial will be held in Minneapolis next month and Ms Damond's ashes will then be taken back to Australia with the full blessing of her US fiance, Don Damond, .
http://www.smh.com.au/world/justine...rought-home-to-australia-20170725-gxisbm.html

Well that is good news....and so fitting as according to her friends she loved Australia so much and was only here because she loved Don more.

 

[Karinna]

According to records filed in court, the scene was searched at 6:30 a.m. on July 16 - roughly seven hours after the incident.

Among the items submitted for analysis were:

Cartridge cases found on ground near the passenger side of the squad car
A cell phone found on the ground near Damond
A bloodstain found on the rear driver side door of the squad car
A 'latent print lift(s)' described as a gel lift from dust on the rear cargo door window of the squad car
A 'latent print lift(s)' described as coming from exterior surfaces of the squad car
http://kstp.com/news/search-warrants-justine-damond-shooting-court-records/4552085/?cat=1

BBM So looks like Noor fired multiple shots.

 

[turaj]

If they had a warrant they didn't need anyone's permission.

i get that however in many cases they often mention that family cooperated and if they don't often it raises suspicion that they are hiding something. I think here it is so clear there is nothing to hide. It is a detail and not sure warrant vs no warrant here is a big deal...point is as it is being reported they took the things from the alley but nothing was taken in the home.

 

[turaj]

According to records filed in court, the scene was searched at 6:30 a.m. on July 16 - roughly seven hours after the incident.

Among the items submitted for analysis were:

Cartridge cases found on ground near the passenger side of the squad car
A cell phone found on the ground near Damond
A bloodstain found on the rear driver side door of the squad car
A 'latent print lift(s)' described as a gel lift from dust on the rear cargo door window of the squad car
A 'latent print lift(s)' described as coming from exterior surfaces of the squad car
http://kstp.com/news/search-warrants-justine-damond-shooting-court-records/4552085/?cat=1

BBM So looks like Noor fired multiple shots.

okay so I dislike guns so much don't know much about them...the cartridge cases were found by the "passenger" door ie Noor so would you to expect to find them in the direction of the shots or what? Not getting why they were by Noor's position...do they eject after each shot he took and went on the ground when he got out?

 

[PrairieWind]

okay so I dislike guns so much don't know much about them...the cartridge cases were found by the "passenger" door ie Noor so would you to expect to find them in the direction of the shots or what? Not getting why they were by Noor's position...do they eject after each shot he took and went on the ground when he got out?

With each shot, the spent shell casings are ejected out the right side and upward from the handgun. Inside the vehicle, they would likely have bounced off the inside of the windshield or dashboard and probably back onto Noor. When he exited the vehicle, the probably fell off his body and onto the ground.

 

[PrairieWind]

This was posted upthread
http://kstp.com/news/bca-search-warrant-justine-damond-australia/4552551/

I'm not seeing the actual warrants though, am I just missing it? By the way, I think the law professor is way off base.

 

[turaj]

With each shot, the spent shell casings are ejected out the right side and upward from the handgun. Inside the vehicle, they would likely have bounced off the inside of the windshield or dashboard and probably back onto Noor. When he exited the vehicle, the probably fell off his body and onto the ground.

and from an accidental discharge defense standpoint...how does the multiple cartridges which I assume means more than one shot fit in.. To me it seems you might be able to defend one as accidental but not more. Does that make sense?

 

[PrairieWind]

and from an accidental discharge defense standpoint...how does the multiple cartridges which I assume means more than one shot fit in.. To me it seems you might be able to defend one as accidental but not more. Does that make sense?

I would agree that its unlikely an accidental discharge would result in multiple shots fired.

 

[Elley Mae]

A. New Duty Handguns Declared on or after March 1, 2015 (02/06/12) (2/08/13) (06/09/15)
1. After March 1, 2015, sworn employees shall be permitted to declare only the following handguns as new duty handguns:
Striker Platform Handguns
· Sig Sauer P320
· Glock Gen 4 17, 19 and 21
· Smith & Wesson M&P pistol
Hammer Platform Handguns
· Sig Sauer P226 and P227
· Berretta 92 Series


http://insidempd.com/get-connected/policies-procedures/3-200-personal-equipment/


Glock being fired in slow motion.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1DBYFLe2eg

 

[Karinna]

I would agree that its unlikely an accidental discharge would result in multiple shots fired.

Exactly.

 

[GeeButtersnaps]

I would agree that its unlikely an accidental discharge would result in multiple shots fired.

There is no way multiple discharges could be accidental. NONE. I don't care how sensitive the trigger is. JMO


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[Karinna]

I'm not seeing the actual warrants though, am I just missing it? By the way, I think the law professor is way off base.

Yeah the article was about the SW that i posted up, but i don't know if the actual SW have been released to the public yet?

 

[Karinna]

There is no way multiple discharges could be accidental. NONE. I don't care how sensitive the trigger is. JMO


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That is my opinion too, it was no accident.

 

[PrairieWind]

Yeah the article was about the SW that i posted up, but i don't know if the actual SW have been released to the public yet?

Minnesota Public Radio apparently obtained copies of the warrants from the Court, but they didn't post pdf's of them, just discussed them. I want to see the actual warrants and judge for myself what the ACTUALLY say and not someone else's interpretation of them.

 

[GeeButtersnaps]

That is my opinion too, it was no accident.

Just speaking from experience I have with many different handguns IMO-especially LE who would be very experienced with his weapon you know each time you pull that trigger and it fires. So if multiple-no way accidental..


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[Karinna]

Minnesota Public Radio apparently obtained copies of the warrants from the Court, but they didn't post pdf's of them, just discussed them. I want to see the actual warrants and judge for myself what the ACTUALLY say and not someone else's interpretation of them.

Fair enough. Do you think they will be released to the public, is that something they are required to do?

 

[Karinna]

Just speaking from experience I have with many different handguns IMO-especially LE who would be very experienced with his weapon you know each time you pull that trigger and it fires. So if multiple-no way accidental..


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I agree i would imagine if you fired the gun accidentally it would be with one shot, and would probably give the person a bit of a shock, but how could you fire it repeatedly accidentally?
I suppose they will tell us next his finger got stuck on the trigger.