MN - Justine Damond, 40, fatally shot by Minneapolis LE, 15 July 2017 #2

[katydid23]

just curious...are you then thinking accident or he wanted to shoot her for some reason.

I think he was poorly trained, as he was admittedly 'fast tracked' in a program to get more Somali's on the force. Because of that, he was not ready to be on street patrol, without an experienced training officer, in charge. But he was paired with someone who had even less experience than he had.

I think he was stressed out, scared, and reacted without reason, when he shot the figure in the dark. He was scared, but I don't think it was a legal definition of self defense in that he did not take the time to really assess the threat. He shot before even looking and seeing what he was shooting at. So that is not legally self defense.

I believe the definition says that a 'reasonable officer' has to agree that it would be seen as a threat---and I don't think a reasonable officer would have made that decision it shoot.

If he saw a toy gun being brandished and deemed it to be 'real' then I could see it fitting the definition of self defense. Or if he was answering a 911 call about a blonde woman in PJs who had stabbed or shot her partner, I could see him seeing her as a potential threat.

So I think it was a major mess up on Noor's part---but it is also sad that he was put on the street with insufficient training time and so little support from superiors.

 

[Cobra Jet]

I want the police to act above board when investigation any death. If they would arrest a plain old citizen at a certain point during the investigation they should do the same for an officer, no more no less. I really think that a police shooting needs to be investigated by an independent group. I’m not sure that the police can be impartial based on recent shootings. I don’t want them to rush things to jeopardize the case but to me they seem to have enough evidence to charge him in this case.

I’m a police supporter but I can’t imagine if this was a regular person that he would not have been charged already. I don’t think there is a doubt that he shot her and since he’s not talking what could they be waiting for?

 

[anonypotomous]

And likewise, if BLM and their supporters continue to justify their violent anti-cop rhetoric, and continue to instigate hatred and vitriol against all of the police, there will continue to be ambushes and assassinations of officers. And that will only bring more self defense shootings in the streets when officers are in fear of the local citizens.

100% THIS




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[shadetree44]

I think she unexpectedly appeared at the window of the driver's side door. He had his gun out and shot at the figure by the door without any thought or regard for that person, his partner, or anything else. He just did it and probably immediately regretted it. Kind of like when you say something and as soon as the words leave your mouth, you wish you hadn't said it.

He simply didn't think, at all, before he fired his weapon and he's going to have to be held accountable for that.

If the information regarding multiple cartridge casings outside passenger door, then I don't buy the "he got freaked and fired his weapon" theory. Second round would almost have to be intensional. The casings ejected from the weapon and landed in his lap or near him on the seat. When he exited the vehicle, the casing fell to the ground. I'm waiting to hear what elaborate story they dream up to justify his actions. All of it so far makes zero sense.

 

[Betty P]

I think she unexpectedly appeared at the window of the driver's side door. He had his gun out and shot at the figure by the door without any thought or regard for that person, his partner, or anything else. He just did it and probably immediately regretted it. Kind of like when you say something and as soon as the words leave your mouth, you wish you hadn't said it.

He simply didn't think, at all, before he fired his weapon and he's going to have to be held accountable for that.

His neighbors said Noor is a temperamental man who is very tense and has a problem with women. JMO, it's possible he shot her because he was angry with her for questioning him about whether they were going to see if there was a sexual assault victim nearby. It's possible he lost his temper and retaliated. It will be interesting to see if he has a violent past in his personal life. If he was known to be physically abusive with others, especially women.

ETA: Hadn't he also recently gone through a divorce and custody battle with his former wife?

 

[Elley Mae]

Iirc they were not married, he got custody of son.

His neighbors said Noor is a temperamental man who is very tense and has a problem with women. JMO, it's possible he shot her because he was angry with her for questioning him about whether they were going to see if there was a sexual assault victim nearby. It's possible he lost his temper and retaliated. It will be interesting to see if he has a violent past in his personal life. If he was known to be physically abusive with others, especially women.

ETA: Hadn't he also recently gone through a divorce and custody battle with his former wife?

 

[Elley Mae]

Divorce documents filed in December and obtained by the Star Tribune describe Noor as a caring, involved father who was at times struggled with the demands of his job. His mother often watched Noor's son while he worked, the paper reports. The family spoke Somali at home, but Noor reportedly insisted his son's first language be English.

Noor also battled for custody of his son, born in 2010. According to family court records, Noor and his son's mother met in college and never legally married. They split up when the boy was 3, but the two continued to share responsibilities and -- as best they could -- time.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/who-is-...s-officer-accused-in-justine-damond-shooting/


Not sure how you get divorced when your not legally married.

 

[Betty P]

Divorce documents filed in December and obtained by the Star Tribune describe Noor as a caring, involved father who was at times struggled with the demands of his job. His mother often watched Noor's son while he worked, the paper reports. The family spoke Somali at home, but Noor reportedly insisted his son's first language be English.

Noor also battled for custody of his son, born in 2010. According to family court records, Noor and his son's mother met in college and never legally married. They split up when the boy was 3, but the two continued to share responsibilities and -- as best they could -- time.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/who-is-...s-officer-accused-in-justine-damond-shooting/


Not sure how you get divorced when your not legally married.

It would be interesting to know about his relationship with his former partner.

 

[CoolJ]

A warrant for an alley? Public property? Idk about that.

http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2017/07/25/bca-warrant-squad-car-slapped-damond/

 

[grammieto5]

When the life of an innocent person has ended does it really matter if it is done by LE or a gang member?

 

[Karinna]

His neighbors said Noor is a temperamental man who is very tense and has a problem with women. JMO, it's possible he shot her because he was angry with her for questioning him about whether they were going to see if there was a sexual assault victim nearby. It's possible he lost his temper and retaliated. It will be interesting to see if he has a violent past in his personal life. If he was known to be physically abusive with others, especially women.

ETA: Hadn't he also recently gone through a divorce and custody battle with his former wife?

He was also going to be litigated against for the previous person he was accused of manhandling. So yes, anger IMO could of been a factor in this case with him shooting Justine.

 

[Karinna]

When the life of an innocent person has ended does it really matter if it is done by LE or a gang member?

No it doesn't. To me it is all one and the same. IMO no one has the right to take another persons life. I agree though in self defense if you are in a do or die situation. Even an animal when cornered and threatened will try and save its own life if it can. It's a natural instinct.

 

[Tawny]

When the life of an innocent person has ended does it really matter if it is done by LE or a gang member?

Absolutely it matters if LE takes the life of an innocent person.

 

[bluesneakers]

When the life of an innocent person has ended does it really matter if it is done by LE or a gang member?

I have higher expectations of law enforcement than I do of criminals so yes, it matters.

 

[Karinna]

IMO when we live under a corrupted/criminal system we're going to have a corrupt and criminal society. Maybe we need to fix that first if we want things to get better.

 

[Dionysia]

When the life of an innocent person has ended does it really matter if it is done by LE or a gang member?

Only one of those two groups of people take an oath to protect and serve, so yes, it sure as hell does.

 

[grammieto5]

So the life of an innocent police officer which has been ended by a gang member is not as important as the life of an innocent person which has been ended by a police officer? It doesn’t matter; an innocent life has still ended.

 

[Jennifer17]

So the life of an innocent police officer which has been ended by a gang member is not as important as the life of an innocent person which has been ended by a police officer? It doesn’t matter; an innocent life has still ended.

His life is every bit as important, but that is a risk of the job, which he knew well even before he joined the force. She was taking no such risks, and was killed by the very person she had called on to help someone.

 

[Rocco]

I have higher expectations of law enforcement than I do of criminals so yes, it matters.

Excellent comment. Totally agree!!

 

[bluesneakers]

So the life of an innocent police officer which has been ended by a gang member is not as important as the life of an innocent person which has been ended by a police officer? It doesn’t matter; an innocent life has still ended.

Who said that? I didn't.