MN - Justine Damond, 40, fatally shot by Minneapolis LE, 15 July 2017 #2

[turaj]

I have to disagree. I am calling foul on them for searching her home. What reason could there be?

I am not that well versed on legal procedures but PrairieWind in post 445 gives some very logical reasons for such search warrants.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

It's really hard to read a wall of text but I made it through.

The only part I care to address is this. This is why they are trained to react properly to threats both real and perceived. Superhuman, no, but better than the average rando citizen absofreakinglutely. It is NOT ok to panic and fire off rounds because you feel jumpy especially if you are literally trained not to do so. What baffles me is that people believe LE have every right to open fire because they feel the hair stand up on the back of their neck. Are they threatened? Yep. Part of the job. Does that mean they are allowed to react violently to any person who approaches them in a dark alley or around a corner or in a vehicle? Nope. Assess the situation. That's what training is for.

Oh, uh, all JMO of course.

I am sorry you found a two minute post so taxing. Perhaps to save yourself the effort next time you should just bypass my posts and scroll and roll.

I don't recall anyone saying police officers have a right to just fire or shoot someone just because they are fearful. And very little of them ever do an unjustifiable shooting compared to the 1.2 million collective police forces in our nation. Most all show great restraint even though thousands themselves are attacked and assaulted every year.

I have made it crystal clear I believe this was an unjustifiable shooting and Noor should be charged with homicide and I hope he is punished severely.

All the training in the world is not going to change certain individuals that shouldn't have been allowed to become police officers in the first place who slipped through the net.

In large cities hundreds of police recruits at one time are trained exactly the same way. The vast majority of those who manage to survive the police academy and go on to graduate will use their police training skills to become good officers but like in all professions no amount of training will ever make a few of them become the police officers they should be.

There really is no reason to scream your words at me Tawny. I can read normal font just fine.

IMO

 

[Jennifer17]

I am not that well versed on legal procedures but PrairieWind in post 445 gives some very logical reasons for such search warrants.

Again I disagree. If indeed Noor did say anything like she looked like she was drugged or drunk, that would have been able to be determined by toxicology testing. Why go to her house looking for drugs and whatever that may have affected her behaviour, when you can get it and prove it from the body?

I am sure that they were looking for stuff like that, but even if they found anything, how could they prove that she had taken any that night?
They wouldn't have been able to just by finding it in her home, but it would a been a good smear on her character.

 

[Tawny]

I am sorry you found a two minute post so taxing. Perhaps to save yourself the effort next time you should just bypass my posts and scroll and roll.

I don't recall anyone saying police officers have a right to just fire or shoot someone just because they are fearful. And very little of them ever do an unjustifiable shooting compared to the 1.2 million collective police forces in our nation. Most all show great restraint even though thousands themselves are attacked and assaulted every year.

I have made it crystal clear I believe this was an unjustifiable shooting and Noor should be charged with homicide and I hope he is punished severely.

All the training in the world is not going to change certain individuals that shouldn't have been allowed to become police officers in the first place who slipped through the net.

In large cities hundreds of police recruits at one time are trained exactly the same way. The vast majority of those who manage to survive the police academy and go on to graduate will use their police training skills to become good officers but like in all professions no amount of training will ever make a few of them become the police officers they should be.

There really is no reason to scream your words at me Tawny. I can read normal font just fine.

IMO

It was for emphasis and there's no need to instruct me on how to post and what I should or should not read. I am a grown adult capable of choosing for myself

How many ambushes have happened so far this year? More specifically, how many in Minneapolis? I would like to learn more about this great and constant threat facing LEOs.

 

[human]

Australia has their own issues .

https://newmatilda.com/2017/07/23/g...-joins-a-long-list-of-deaths-with-no-justice/

 

[Jennifer17]

Australia has their own issues .

https://newmatilda.com/2017/07/23/g...-joins-a-long-list-of-deaths-with-no-justice/

And no one said anything different. Yes, we have problems too. Are you aware that that happened 25 years ago?

 

[bluedivergirl]

Darren Wilson was in his squad car and got out of it to murder Mike Brown when he could have easily stayed in it and protected himself from the unarmed boy. Darren Wilson wasn't even indicted.


Hands up, Don't shoot!

Nonsense. Darren Wilson was doing his job. He had a report of a thief, who caught his attention walking down the middle of the street and refusing to move. Michael Brown's DNA was found on the officer's gun.

I know I am speaking to deaf ears, but do you not see the differences in the two cases?

And finally, Hands up, don't shoot never happened. It is an urban myth.

 

[bluesneakers]

Nonsense. Darren Wilson was doing his job. He had a report of a thief, who caught his attention walking down the middle of the street and refusing to move. Michael Brown's DNA was found on the officer's gun.

I know I am speaking to deaf ears, but do you not see the differences in the two cases?

And finally, Hands up, don't shoot never happened. It is an urban myth.

I think everyone sees what's different about this case.

 

[katydid23]

Once Michael Brown shoved the cop back into the cruiser, reached inside and punched him in the face, and then grappled for the gun, he insured that the officer was not going to just drive away and forget about it. That made Brown a danger to officers and to the public, and it was the officer's responsibility to detain Brown, at the very least.

I cannot see any valid comparisons between the 2 cases. JMO :cow:

 

[CoolJ]

Nonsense. Darren Wilson was doing his job. He had a report of a thief, who caught his attention walking down the middle of the street and refusing to move. Michael Brown's DNA was found on the officer's gun.

I know I am speaking to deaf ears, but do you not see the differences in the two cases?

And finally, Hands up, don't shoot never happened. It is an urban myth.

Of course there is a difference between the two cases. But you said:

"Noor was in his patrol car, he had the ability to leave the scene. He was not in imminent danger"

Therefore, accordîng to your cop friend, Noor will be charged.

I just pointed out that Wilson also had the opportunity to stay in his vehicle. He was not in imminent danger, yet he got away scot free with murdering an unarmed 18yo boy.

"Hands up, Don't shoot!"

 

[Karinna]

The fact of the search warrant definitely is a contentious issue? I'm trying to think if it has happened in any other cases of this type, and can't recall any? I'm sure it will be part of the civil lawsuit Justine's family will bring to sue for wrongful death and it's all in the hands of the family's attorney.

 

[CoolJ]

Once Michael Brown shoved the cop back into the cruiser, reached inside and punched him in the face, and then grappled for the gun, he insured that the officer was not going to just drive away and forget about it. That made Brown a danger to officers and to the public, and it was the officer's responsibility to detain Brown, at the very least.

I cannot see any valid comparisons between the 2 cases. JMO :cow:

That is Wilsons version of events I agree. But this is coming from an officer who served with two police departments proven to operate with extreme racial bias and he himself has admitted to using the N word and making other racist remarks. He also called Brown a demon on national TV.

I don't believe him.

 

[human]

And no one said anything different. Yes, we have problems too. Are you aware that that happened 25 years ago?

The background was 25 years ago, but Elijah is recent.

You know as well as I that there are many stories of Aborigine abuse, I forget the name of the woman that died recently. Not the suicide.

My point is that Australia is on the high horse and they need to get off,For those that do not know, there are horrible issues with the Aborigines and police brutality.

 

[Karinna]

Los Angeles: Justine Damond's devastated Australian family are poised to file a massive civil lawsuit in the US courts against the City of Minneapolis and the police officer who shot her dead.

Ms Damond's family have hired one of Minnesota's top trial lawyers, Robert Bennett, who says claims the policeman felt he was being ambushed were ludicrous.
http://www.smh.com.au/world/justine-damonds-family-poised-to-file-lawsuit-20170720-gxf7z6.html

 

[Karinna]

Looks like Noor will be up to his eyeballs in litigation if both of the cases go to court and trial. Not sure what's going on with the previous case against him either because i think it's still pending.

 

[bluesneakers]

The background was 25 years ago, but Elijah is recent.

You know as well as I that there are many stories of Aborigine abuse, I forget the name of the woman that died recently. Not the suicide.

My point is that Australia is on the high horse and they need to get off,For those that do not know, there are horrible issues with the Aborigines and police brutality.

I think if an American were murdered by a police officer in a foreign country Americans would be just as upset, and we're the last ones who have room to judge anyone wrt police brutality. It's not like the Australians who are upset about this case or who want answers and justice have done anything wrong.

America just killed one of their people for apparently no good reason - they have every right to be angry.

 

[Jennifer17]

The background was 25 years ago, but Elijah is recent.

You know as well as I that there are many stories of Aborigine abuse, I forget the name of the woman that died recently. Not the suicide.

My point is that Australia is on the high horse and they need to get off,For those that do not know, there are horrible issues with the Aborigines and police brutality.

And Australian protest about those too. Are you suggesting that Australians have no right to protest this woman's death because we are not perfect? Should we just say 'Oh well, we have some Aborigines die in custody, so we can't say anything?' And it is not so much that she died, but the refusal of the police to talk to her family, or consular officials and now the search of her home.

Australia has had a Royal Commission into deaths in custody. And Australians are just as outraged by those deaths. If this had happened in Australia we would be just as angry about it. You seem to be making this into an Aus/US thing or a black/ white thing. It is neither.

 

[turaj]

And Australian protest about those too. Are you suggesting that Australians have no right to protest this woman's death because we are not perfect? Should we just say 'Oh well, we have some Aborigines die in custody, so we can't say anything?' And it is not so much that she died, but the refusal of the police to talk to her family, or consular officials and now the search of her home.

Australia has had a Royal Commission into deaths in custody. And Australians are just as outraged by those deaths. If this had happened in Australia we would be just as angry about it. You seem to be making this into an Aus/US thing or a black/ white thing. It is neither.

Boy I think Australians and the family in particular have every right to be way more than angry, outraged and more. I can't even imagine how helpless they feel and I am sure our system here looks really strange and I am not proud of it. I can only hope that by this time the lines of communication are better and that this is rushed given the international nature of the murder. This can never be called an accident.

 

[ilovewings]

apparently the Michael Brown myth lives and will never die. Michael Brown was a criminal and as mentioned his DNA was found on the officer's gun.

 

[Jennifer17]

apparently the Michael Brown myth lives and will never die. Michael Brown was a criminal and as mentioned his DNA was found on the officer's gun.

Pretty easy to do, seeing he was dead.