MN - Justine Damond, 40, fatally shot by Minneapolis LE, 15 July 2017 #2

[bluesneakers]

There was way more to it than just a dab of DNA on the gun. Scroll up and you can see the forensics and witness testimony that was used to corroborate the officers story.

These 2 shootings have ZERO in common. And I hate that they all get lumped together. Just because someone is 'unarmed' it does not mean they are not a danger and a severe threat.

And it does this victim in Minneapolis a huge disservice to lump her together with Michael Brown, imo.

We aren't the ones who "lumped" them together. That's on law enforcement.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

I don't want the thread shut down. Let's all try to stick to this case and remember to scroll and roll. :loveyou:

 

[Jennifer17]

I think the search warrant of her home is in her favor if this goes to trial.

Why?...

 

[Betty P]

In this particular story, the cop who shot her is refusing to be interviewed (one would think that if it was his story, he would have already came out with it). And the other cop hasn't suggested there was any struggle.

JMO No or will eventually come out with this type of defense. His partner will likely be pressured to corroborate. Similar to when no one said anything about a bang or loud noise until No or ' s friends leaked that info a week later. After the leak, Harry finally corroborated that story.

Noor keeps changing and embellishing his story as time goes on, through leaks to the news media. Personally, I'm going to believe the first statement Harry made and write off any of the leaked excuses Noor develops days and weeks later. We all know that's how LE investigates criminals, by asking the same questions again and again to see how often the perp changes his story.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

Why?...

If it's implied that she was on prescription drugs or anything of that nature they have legal documented facts supporting nothing was found in her home. The warrant also gives them access to her cell phone, which can verify her calls, call log, etc.

 

[Betty P]

Wilson and other witnesses stated that Brown then reached into the SUV through the open driver’s window and punched and grabbed Wilson. This is corroborated by bruising on Wilson’s jaw and scratches on his neck, the presence of Brown’s DNA on Wilson’s collar, shirt, and pants, and Wilson’s DNA on Brown’s palm. While there are other individuals who stated that Wilson reached out of the SUV and grabbed Brown by the neck, prosecutors could not credit their accounts because they were inconsistent with physical and forensic evidence, as detailed throughout this report.

Brown then grabbed the weapon and struggled with Wilson to gain control of it. Wilson fired, striking Brown in the hand. Autopsy results and bullet trajectory, skin from Brown’s palm on the outside of the SUV door as well as Brown’s DNA on the inside of the driver’s door corroborate Wilson’s account that during the struggle, Brown used his right hand to grab and attempt to control Wilson’s gun. According to three autopsies, Brown sustained a close range gunshot wound to the fleshy portion of his right hand at the base of his right thumb. Soot from the muzzle of the gun found embedded in the tissue of this wound coupled with indicia of thermal change from the heat of the muzzle indicate that Brown’s hand was within inches of the muzzle of Wilson’s gun when it was fired. The location of the recovered bullet in the side panel of the driver’s door, just above Wilson’s lap, also corroborates Wilson’s account of the struggle over the gun and when the gun was fired, as do witness accounts that Wilson fired at least one shot from inside the SUV.

https://www.justice.gov/sites/defau...doj_report_on_shooting_of_michael_brown_1.pdf

We're discussing Justine ' s murder here. Let's stay on topuc. TIA. Sorry, but this confuses people trying to discuss the case.

 

[everybodhi]

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Katy was talking about the Michael Brown case re the struggle over the gun, but there is no reason to think that they won't try that defence again this time. It worked the last time. It would be quite easy to put her dna on the gun. She could not done anything to stop them. She was dead.

So then one has to imagine Noor drawing his gun across his partner and Justine reaching into the patrol car, over his partner, and grabbing Noor's gun?
And she wasn't strung out for days on a meth binge, or bath salts, crocodyle?
I can't imagine..

 

[Jennifer17]

If it's implied that she was on prescription drugs or anything of that nature they have legal documented facts supporting nothing was found in her home. The warrant also gives them access to her cell phone, which can verify her calls, call log, etc.

They could have got that from the toxicology taken from her body, which I am sure that they did. What would the presence of prescribed drugs in her home prove? Why would they need to find drugs in her home. Surely what was in her body should be proof enough. That is real proof. They were looking for dirt on her.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

So then one has to imagine Noor drawing his gun across his partner and Justine reaching into the patrol car, over his partner, and grabbing Noor's gun?
And she wasn't strung out for days on a meth binge, or bath salts, crocodyle?
I can't imagine..

Agreed, I highly doubt they will go down that road with Justine.

 

[katydid23]

We're discussing Justine ' s murder here. Let's stay on topuc. TIA. Sorry, but this confuses people trying to discuss the case.

Funny, considering you were the one asking me for the links.

I never brought up the MB case. I was replying to others who brought it up.



Quote Originally Posted by Betty P View Post
Do you have a link for that information?

 

[Tippy Lynn]

They could have got that from the toxicology taken from her body, which I am sure that they did. What would the presence of prescribed drugs in her home prove? Why would they need to find drugs in her home. Surely what was in her body should be proof enough. That is real proof. They were looking for dirt on her.

I don't think they were looking for dirt, but who knows. I think it was to gather facts and to have a full investigation. I would want my family to encourage a search warrant if it was me and my home. They can look all they want they aren't going to find anything that's justifies officer Noor shooting and killing her the way he did.

 

[katydid23]

I think it ultimately helps the victim's family that the home was immediately searched. The defense will not be able to make scurrilous accusations about drugs, etc.

 

[katydid23]

I think Noor should be charged with a crime and I think it will come down to that. I also believe he will be found guilty, of Manslaughter, most likely.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

I think it ultimately helps the victim's family that the home was immediately searched. The defense will not be able to make scurrilous accusations about drugs, etc.

Agreed

 

[Jennifer17]

I think it ultimately helps the victim's family that the home was immediately searched. The defense will not be able to make scurrilous accusations about drugs, etc.

They had her body. They cannot make scurrilous accusations if no drugs were found in her body. Her home has nothing to do with it. If they were not in her body, she was not acting under the influence of them. One has nothing to do with the other.

They were there looking for something to accuse her of for their own ends. I imagine that she must have washed her dishes before she went out in the lane or that would be held against her. 'Woman who was shot had dirty dishes in her kitchen' big headlines.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

I think Noor should be charged with a crime and I think it will come down to that. I also believe he will be found guilty, of Manslaughter, most likely.

I think so too. From what we've been told she was a spiritual person, non violent and against guns. It makes me wonder what she would want to come from this or what type of punishment she would seek or if she would seek punishment.

 

[katydid23]

They had her body. They cannot make scurrilous accusations if no drugs were found in her body. Her home has nothing to do with it. If they were not in her body, she was not acting under the influence of them. One has nothing to do with the other.

They were there looking for something to accuse her of for their own ends. I imagine that she must have washed her dishes before she went out in the lane or that would be held against her. 'Woman who was shot had dirty dishes in her kitchen' big headlines.

I am not sure I totally agree. There are things which leave the blood stream very very quickly.

I am just saying that the evidence/non-evidence works both ways.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

They had her body. They cannot make scurrilous accusations if no drugs were found in her body. Her home has nothing to do with it. If they were not in her body, she was not acting under the influence of them. One has nothing to do with the other.

They were there looking for something to accuse her of for their own ends. I imagine that she must have washed her dishes before she went out in the lane or that would be held against her. 'Woman who was shot had dirty dishes in her kitchen' big headlines.

Without knowing what angle the defense might take I think the search warrant is in the investigators and her family's best interest. It's hard to tell what the defense might pull out of their hat and it's better to have it if they need it.

 

[human]

I think if an American were murdered by a police officer in a foreign country Americans would be just as upset, and we're the last ones who have room to judge anyone wrt police brutality. It's not like the Australians who are upset about this case or who want answers and justice have done anything wrong.

America just killed one of their people for apparently no good reason - they have every right to be angry.

Sure, but they aren't angry over their aborigine deaths. There are no front page stories of the abuses of the aborigines. Australia has horrible issues and to point the finger at the US and pretend to be superior and outraged is exacty Ike the US that has front page stories on this and totally ignores the deaths of POC.

POC who have every aspect of their life thrown out there and their relatives examined as well We heard about the numerous traffic violations of Philando but people get all upset if Justine's life is examined.

There is talk of international issues with Australia. This from a country that brutalizes its aborigine population and has deaths in their camps for immigrants,

I am not commenting on the justice or injustice . Simply the incredibe difference on how white death is treated vs POC.

 

[Tippy Lynn]

Sure, but they aren't angry over their aborigine deaths. There are no front page stores of the abuses of the aborigines. Australia has horrible issues and to point the finger at the US and pretend to be superior and outraged is exacty ikethe US that has front page stories on this and totally ignores the deaths of POC.

POC who haveecery aspect of their life thrown out there and their relatives examined as well We heard about the numerous traffic vioations of Philando but people get all upset if Justine's life is examined.

There is talk of international issues with Australia. This from a country that brutalizes its aborigine population and has deaths in their camps for immigrants,

I am not commenting on the justice or injustice . Simply the incredibe difference on how white death is treated vs POC.

IMHO - If Justine was a person of color I don't think her death would be treated any different.