MN - Justine Damond, 40, fatally shot by Minneapolis LE, 15 July 2017 #2

[Cobra Jet]

Four to six months for the investigation and charging decisions is an accurate estimate, based on 2 recent high profile officer involved shootings in the Twin Cities area:

Jamar Clark
Shot: November 15, 2015
Decision made not to bring charges: March 30, 2016
Time for investigation to decision: 4 1/2 months

Philando Castile
Shot: July 6, 2016
Charges brought by DA against officer: November 16, 2016
Trial began: May 29, 2017
Officer Acquitted: June 30, 2017
Time for investigation to charges: 4 1/2 months
Time from charges to end of trial: 7 1/2 months

I was wondering if anyone had any recent examples where someone shot a police officer and how long it took for them to bring charges? To me that might help me decide if they may be dragging their feet on this case.

 

[CoolJ]

Four to six months for the investigation and charging decisions is an accurate estimate, based on 2 recent high profile officer involved shootings in the Twin Cities area:

Jamar Clark
Shot: November 15, 2015
Decision made not to bring charges: March 30, 2016
Time for investigation to decision: 4 1/2 months

Philando Castile
Shot: July 6, 2016
Charges brought by DA against officer: November 16, 2016
Trial began: May 29, 2017
Officer Acquitted: June 30, 2017
Time for investigation to charges: 4 1/2 months
Time from charges to end of trial: 7 1/2 months

The fact that the very same thing has happened multiple times before makes it look worse for LE. Not better.

 

[MsFacetious]

I don't think you should say that you hate that you had to tell your kids how to act when pulled over by law enforcement. Its a conversation every parent should have with their kids. And honestly adults should have with each other. It doesnt matter if you are white or asian or black or hispanic, or if you think you deserved to be stopped or not. Just be calm, and respectful. Now, Philando Castille did those things and was still shot and that is inexcusable. But 99.9% of the time doing that will ensure everything goes smoothly. I remember when i was in high school and driver's education, there was a section that dealt with what to do when getting pulled over; how/where to park, what the officer would ask for (license, registration, insurance). It was very basic, but I'm not sure they even do that anymore.

I was referring to, keep your hands visible, don't move, let him get a good look at everyone before doing anything. If you are going to move, let him know first.
Not "be nice." They knew that. I mean the "don't get shot" things.

I hate that I had to educate them on this, because they actually used to really love cops.
My oldest daughter has Down syndrome and actually had a cop themed party when she turned 10.
It was epic, cop car cake with lights and everything.
Unfortunately less than positive interactions with police since then have dampened her enthusiasm. :dunno:

 

[K_Z]

I was wondering if anyone had any recent examples where someone shot a police officer and how long it took for them to bring charges? To me that might help me decide if they may be dragging their feet on this case.

Most of those who shoot police officers do so as a criminal act, specifically targeting LEOs, or during the commission of other felonies. If they're caught, they are usually charged and arraigned promptly-- within days, and face trial within a year.

I think I understand where you're "going" with this sideways "question" of how fast civilian suspects are charged, compared to LEOs. This is not an accurate or valid comparison, because their roles and responsibilities are completely different under the law. The conduct of a LEO on duty who shoots a suspect while responding to a 911 call and a suspected crime in progress is not an "equivalent" situation (legally, morally, or otherwise) to that of a civilian suspect who shoots a LEO while committing one or more felonies.

Most reasonable people understand the distinctions between LEO doing his or her job, and criminal suspects shooting at LEOs. However, there are always efforts by some who vehemently dislike/ disapprove of all law enforcement officers to try to claim the situations are somehow "equal". The investigation process for LEOs after a shooting is very detailed, quite involved, and prescribed by laws, internal procedures, and union contracts.

A better question is, how long is the investigation process in other states, and other countries, when a LEO shoots a civilian in the course of responding to a call and/ or crime in progress?

FWIW, I do think Officer Noor will be charged, and face trial-- though I'm on the fence as to whether they will charge "low" with manslaughter, or go for 2nd degree murder, in addition to "reckless discharge of firearm" add ons. I'm leaning toward manslaughter, because it's a lower level of BARD, and more likely to be proven in court.

The MN BCA (not the DA) MUST do a very thorough, lawful investigation, in order for charges to be brought. Every aspect of Noor's conduct, training, and performance will be scrutinized in exhaustive detail. This shooting is very, very unusual. There does not appear to be any "official" support for Noor's actions, even from the FOP union, who is typically quite supportive and making statements to the media.

The DA in Mpls (Hennepin County), Mike Freeman, is very fair, and takes his time with these kind of cases. He seeks a lot of input. I have every confidence that he will do as he did in the Jamar Clark case, and pledge 100% transparency in the evidence, but not till AFTER the decision is made for charges, and/ or a trial (or plea) is concluded.

Sadly, it will take months, upon months, for this case to reach a conclusion. Just because the media articles have gone quiet, does not mean "nothing" is going on, or somehow Noor is being given leniency. Noor is not a criminal-- he's a LEO who may have committed a criminal act impulsively in the course of his job duites-- that may be a very hard distinction for some to grasp, because of the tremendous tragedy and injustice of Justine's killing.

It's hard to wait, but the time is necessary. And that's a good thing. Snap decisions, and "mob" justice/ mob rule is no way to run a civilized society.

 

[Meryl12]

Great post K-Z :goodpost:

 

[Jennifer17]

Yeah, get with them. The rest of the third world countries who shoot women in pyjamas. The US is becoming one of those countries.

 

[shadetree44]

The citizens of this city need to begin a recall of the mayor and any official involved in the obvious whitewash of this case and the lack of concern for its citizens shown by the present administration. Their only concern at present is centered around damage control and limiting the financial responsibility around this situation. If they can shift the blame away from the PD or somehow convince people it was a total accident, it is to their advantage. The city administration and PD's entire efforts at this point is appalling. There is NO EXCUSE for what happened and they own it. Regardless of what caused this to happen, they are responsible. Also, whatever "accelerated training" program they presently have is seriously lacking. It obviously needs to be revised by someone with enough field experience to design a better program. There needs to be some serious administration changes that does not place "politically correctness" as a top priority. Enough said.
All of the above is my own opinion. It may be others also. Peace

 

[Damarna]

Investigators have asked for medical and unredacted personnel files of a Minneapolis police officer who fatally shot an Australian native in July.

http://kstp.com/news/minneapolis-po...-files-justine-damond-shooting/4596073/?cat=1

 

[lonetraveler]

Investigators have asked for medical and unredacted personnel files of a Minneapolis police officer who fatally shot an Australian native in July.

http://kstp.com/news/minneapolis-po...-files-justine-damond-shooting/4596073/?cat=1

We'll, it's about time.

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[kittycat3]

Yes it is about time!

 

[lonetraveler]

My local news station, affiliate of NBC, just did a blip on this case and said that charges may be coming up. Showed the scene of investigation that night and then,........nothing. I came here to check if there were any updates.:thinking:

 

[lonetraveler]

Ok, did a little research and this article did come out today.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...ce-shooting-justine-damond-20170912-story.htm

 

[lonetraveler]

Let me try this again:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...e-shooting-justine-damond-20170912-story.html

 

[lonetraveler]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...e-shooting-justine-damond-20170912-story.html

Prosecutors will decide if charges will be filed or not instead of using a Grand Jury, is pretty much what this article is stating.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Let me try this again:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...e-shooting-justine-damond-20170912-story.html

I was so elated to read this news and then I saw THIS.

In a statement Tuesday, Hennepin County Attorney Mike Freeman said his office has received the case and "several senior prosecutors will now carefully review the case file to determine what, if any, charges might be brought." Freeman has said he expects to decide on charges before the end of the year.

Before the end of the year? Ugh........why so long? The investigation has already been done so I don't understand the long delay.

 

[Damarna]

I was so elated to read this news and then I saw THIS.

In a statement Tuesday, Hennepin County Attorney Mike Freeman said his office has received the case and "several senior prosecutors will now carefully review the case file to determine what, if any, charges might be brought." Freeman has said he expects to decide on charges before the end of the year.

Before the end of the year? Ugh........why so long? The investigation has already been done so I don't understand the long delay.

Yeah, they announced the timeline last week or so. Very confusing... Because of the roles were reversed? I know! I know! LEO do need to have some safeguards but this IMO is crazy! Are they hoping people forget? What is so difficult to figure out?

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[Dr.Strangelove]

This has nothing to do with this case but not sure where to leave it. If anyone wants to start a new thread somewhere if interested...
Today in St Louis a trial is starting, Jason Stockley a policeman charged with murder for a shooting while on duty in 2011.
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/murder-trial-of-ex-cop-in-st-louis-could-draw/article_ae3a1139-cd68-52be-bda0-af553bf8a1ba.html

There are many more links and videos to be easily found. He is also charged with planting the gun in the victims car among other things. Defense requested and was granted a bench trial.

I don't know how to start one but i think there should be one. A lot is happening because of it. Its like Ferguson all over again.

 

[Bohemian]

Justine Damond Ruszczyk: Why was she shot dead?

‘Unarmed, wearing her pyjamas and just trying to help, Justine Damond Ruszczyk was shot dead by a police officer outside her home in Minneapolis. Four months on, her loved ones open up for the first time to Australian Story about their determination to seek justice for Justine.’

ABC News
By Rebecca Latham
Updated about 3 hours ago (as at 11:14 AEDT 20 November 2017)

Read more at:

http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2017-...-family-seeking-justice-over-shooting/9131074

 

[grammieto5]

What a beautiful "love story", Skype date! RIP Justine!

 

[Bohemian]

Justine Damond Ruszczyk: Why was an Australian woman shot dead by police in Minneapolis?
ABC News (Australia)
Published on Nov 20, 2017

‘Sydney woman Justine Damond Ruszczyk was living in Minneapolis and weeks away from her wedding when she was shot dead by a US police officer in shocking circumstances that are yet to be explained.

On the night of July 15, the former vet-turned-meditation teacher was home alone when she called 911 to report what she thought was a sexual assault taking place in the laneway behind her house.

When the police car arrived, she went outside - only to be shot dead by one of the police officers, Mohamed Noor, who was seated inside the vehicle.

In this Australian Story exclusive, we meet Justine’s Australian family and travel to Minnesota to speak to her fiancé Don Damond, and her friends and neighbours, as they search for answers and seek justice for Justine.’

Watch episode at:

[video=youtube;ERgx3kkFIjk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=2s&v=ERgx3kkFIjk[/video]