MN - Morgan Evenson, 27, survives brutal knife attack, Minneapolis, 13 Dec 2017

[bluedivergirl]

Do the police hold press conferences on the different murders in Minnepolis?

I am very curious as to the idea that this was not in the paper. What are the papers in Minneapolis ? Does one need a subscription to read them?

If CARAG is not doing anything, they apparently feel it is not an issue, I guess.

I thought you lived in Minnesota for years?

I lived there for 58 of my 61 years. The papers are the same, The Pioneer Press and the Star Tribune.

I agree with others who state that the Somali population is easy to identify.

 

[liz b.]

What a terrifying crime. The woman in question is lucky to have survived it. jmo

 

[turaj]

Right. She was communicating just fine.
Many of those reports claim the police are calling her attack a "botched robbery". That's absolutely ridiculous. He wasn't after her purse, he was after her life. and he nearly took it too.

Absolutely...nothing at all was asked for or taken.

 

[turaj]

I thought you lived in Minnesota for years?

I lived there for 58 of my 61 years. The papers are the same, The Pioneer Press and the Star Tribune.

I agree with others who state that the Somali population is easy to identify.

I am right here right now and listen and watch local news...this crime was suppressed and there is no other way to say it. She could have been murdered but because she was not they were able to get by not going anything even though they had a chance that night to nab the guy who left on foot with a very detailed description. The papers are listed above and yes those of us living here can easily tell a Somali from an American born black man from a man from Ethiopia....many of us have daily contacts with many diverse people...it is not racist it is just facts...and if you need to give a description to LE then it sure helps. We had another murder over by the U of M this weekend...again the perp got away...but boy did this make the news even though I think some details were left out of the situation going on at the house involved. I think an attempted murder is every bit as bad as one that is successful. 14 stab wounds is more than an botched robbery.

 

[Tawny]

Here's another thing to consider.

If Morgan had been a 12 year old seventh grader walking a block home at 8:30pm from a friend's house, and this same attack happened, do you think the police and media response was appropriate?

If Morgan had been an 88 year old woman using a cane, walking her dog at 8:30 pm and this same attack happened, do you think the police and media response was appropriate?

If Morgan had been a 26 year old intellectually impaired woman with Down Syndrome, walking home from a friend's house at 8:30 pm, would the police and media response have been appropriate?

If Morgan had been a 26 year old female body builder or elite level athlete, would the police response have been appropriate?

Well. She isn't any of those things and these little quips do nothing to further the discussion. It's some weird attempt to trap people into a discussion that has zero relevance to this crime.

 

[Ibiz]

But it has been stated in MSM that Morgan was able to give LE a good description of her attacker. And there were also witnesses to the attack as well.

Yep, so why has there been no sketch made of the suspect in this case?

 

[Ibiz]

Well. She isn't any of those things and these little quips do nothing to further the discussion. It's some weird attempt to trap people into a discussion that has zero relevance to this crime.

Tawny: is that you in the little video under your post?

 

[Tawny]

Tawny: is that you in the little video under your post?

Only in my heart. That's Furiosa from Mad Max: Fury Road.

 

[Gardenista]

The latest idea by the loons on social media is that police should not be allowed to mention skin color when describing a suspect because it is racist.

And to see the Ferguson effect, google for some recent articles about the murder rate in Baltimore.

 

[Ibiz]

I agree, age, race, religion.

Criminals should not be discriminated against.

 

[Gardenista]

Wow, somebody posted this link above--the stab wound they showed is horrific!

http://www.wsaw.com/content/news/Wausau-native-shares-harrowing-story-of-stabbing-465722823.html

 

[Gardenista]

I agree, age, race, religion.

Criminals should not be discriminated against.

So let's say there is a white child rapist on the loose. The guy who has been going around raping kids happens to love going to tanning beds and has a deep tan. He was caught in the act raping a child, but had a gun and got away.

You think he should be described simply as a Caucasian male?

 

[K_Z]

In the past 36 hours or so, a police officer was shot and killed, and a man was shot and killed at a big house party in Dinkytown. These are the descriptions in the news about both perpetrators, who are both still at large, and considered armed and dangerous.

Overnight it was announced that schools in the area where the police officer was shot would be closed today, and streets were barricaded.

I guess the victims have to be DEAD for an armed and dangerous perp to be described to the public, and appropriate steps taken to find the perp fleeing on foot? Or what? Apparently being stabbed 14 times isn't enough?

Police officer shot overnight:

Police say the suspect is described as a tall, thin, mixed race or white male, with a large pointy nose, curly dark hair in a ponytail, and pock marks on the right side of his face. He was last seen wearing a dark hooded sweatshirt and a black beanie.

http://www.kare11.com/article/news/...ew-suspect-description-released/281-506087718

Dinkytown house party murder (neighborhood near the U of M, but no students involved, and the dead victim is not Somali):

An officer at the scene was heard on the dispatch audio as describing the suspect as a man, age 18 to 20, 6 feet 2 inches tall, thin build, and of Somali ethnicity with a light complexion. He was wearing all black clothing and fled in an unspecified direction.

http://www.startribune.com/dinkytown-shooting-leaves-1-dead-another-wounded/468241393/

 

[K_Z]

Wow, somebody posted this link above--the stab wound they showed is horrific!

http://www.wsaw.com/content/news/Wausau-native-shares-harrowing-story-of-stabbing-465722823.html

And remember that she was almost certainly wearing a heavy outer coat or jacket-- it was very cold Dec 13th. So those stab wounds were likely thrust thru a coat, and possibly a long sleeve top. They're not "slash" wounds-- they appear to be stab wounds. So it was a substantial size blade. More than an inch wide, IMO. Large kitchen knife? Some kind of hunting knife? IMO, from the looks of those sutured wounds, it was a pretty big blade.

 

[K_Z]

Well. She isn't any of those things and these little quips do nothing to further the discussion. It's some weird attempt to trap people into a discussion that has zero relevance to this crime.

Well, there's been a lot of thinly veiled victim blaming and bashing-- Morgan "couldn't possibly" have been able to give a description of her attacker, she was prejudiced or biased to describe him as Somali, "how could she possibly know he was Somali and not Ethiopian or another African ethnicity", eyewitness reports are "usually" unreliable, these kind of attacks happen "all the time", this attack was "no big deal", the police and media don't have time to cover "every" crime or attack, etc, etc. etc. Minimizing and disrespecting a very credible, well spoken victim. Why is that? Why does the vicious attacker, who has not been apprehended, deserve MORE consideration, more deference, more "respect", more "privacy", than the victim?

So my point (that was apparently missed) with those hypothetical examples is to pose a question: exactly how "vulnerable" does the victim have to be perceived as being, before it's serious enough for the media and police to make the description public in a timely fashion?

If Morgan had been a child, or a vulnerable adult (aged, or intellectually disabled), would that have changed anything about how it was handled? This happened in a residential neighborhood that does not have much, if any, unprovoked violent crime. Morgan was not engaged in any risky behaviors. There are people of all ages in that neighborhood. People MORE vulnerable than Morgan.

Yet until she and her family spoke out, police and the media were apparently content to let this pass without any publicity.

So a lot of rational, worried, reasonable people are questioning exactly WHY that is-- especially given that there were a lot of journalistic gymnastics used to actively AVOID giving any kind of timely or accurate description of the attacker armed and at large, AND the police actively avoided any media notifications or press releases/ conferences. And reasonable people see the extreme efforts that were employed to make sure no one knew the perp was described as Somali, because THAT is a real problem for the police and the media in this current climate in Minneapolis. And apparently NO barricades or assertive canvassing was done to try to catch the perp on foot within minutes/ hours of the attack. WHY??

Those are the issues.

 

[human]

But it has been stated in MSM that Morgan was able to give LE a good description of her attacker. And there were also witnesses to the attack as well.

I am stating why there may have been no info released right away, not that she did not communicate.

She was in the hospital with 14 stab wounds. Can you imagine the trauma, the level of meds she may have been on? No, one is not all blabby with their IV drips, getting checked every 15 mins or whatever.

 

[human]

I thought you lived in Minnesota for years?

I lived there for 58 of my 61 years. The papers are the same, The Pioneer Press and the Star Tribune.

I agree with others who state that the Somali population is easy to identify.

Yes, I lived there for 62 years but not in Mpls. I went to the Main U. I believe there were more papers than those two you listed, I think one went out of business not too recently.

People were saying it was not reported so I was wondering if it was possible to see online.

 

[Ibiz]

So let's say there is a white child rapist on the loose. The guy who has been going around raping kids happens to love going to tanning beds and has a deep tan. He was caught in the act raping a child, but had a gun and got away.

You think he should be described simply as a Caucasian male?

Im just saying he should be described as the wittiness sees. Black/white/Asian shouldn't matter. As far as descriptions go, you can't say the suspect is white if he looked black, or that the suspect was Polish if he looked Spanish.

 

[human]

I am right here right now and listen and watch local news...this crime was suppressed and there is no other way to say it. She could have been murdered but because she was not they were able to get by not going anything even though they had a chance that night to nab the guy who left on foot with a very detailed description. The papers are listed above and yes those of us living here can easily tell a Somali from an American born black man from a man from Ethiopia....many of us have daily contacts with many diverse people...it is not racist it is just facts...and if you need to give a description to LE then it sure helps. We had another murder over by the U of M this weekend...again the perp got away...but boy did this make the news even though I think some details were left out of the situation going on at the house involved. I think an attempted murder is every bit as bad as one that is successful. 14 stab wounds is more than an botched robbery.

What is the difference between someone from Ethiopia, Kenya, Uganda, Somalia, South Africa, Haiti, Costa Rica, Eritrea,Guyana, Papua New Guinea , Ivory Coast, Tanzania . (I do not remember the new names).

 

[human]

Well, there's been a lot of thinly veiled victim blaming and bashing-- Morgan "couldn't possibly" have been able to give a description of her attacker, she was prejudiced or biased to describe him as Somali, "how could she possibly know he was Somali and not Ethiopian or another African ethnicity", eyewitness reports are "usually" unreliable, these kind of attacks happen "all the time", this attack was "no big deal", the police and media don't have time to cover "every" crime or attack, etc, etc. etc. Minimizing and disrespecting a very credible, well spoken victim. Why is that? Why does the vicious attacker, who has not been apprehended, deserve MORE consideration, more deference, more "respect", more "privacy", than the victim?

So my point (that was apparently missed) with those hypothetical examples is to pose a question: exactly how "vulnerable" does the victim have to be perceived as being, before it's serious enough for the media and police to make the description public in a timely fashion?

If Morgan had been a child, or a vulnerable adult (aged, or intellectually disabled), would that have changed anything about how it was handled? This happened in a residential neighborhood that does not have much, if any, unprovoked violent crime. Morgan was not engaged in any risky behaviors. There are people of all ages in that neighborhood. People MORE vulnerable than Morgan.

Yet until she and her family spoke out, police and the media were apparently content to let this pass without any publicity.

So a lot of rational, worried, reasonable people are questioning exactly WHY that is-- especially given that there were a lot of journalistic gymnastics used to actively AVOID giving any kind of timely or accurate description of the attacker armed and at large, AND the police actively avoided any media notifications or press releases/ conferences. And reasonable people see the extreme efforts that were employed to make sure no one knew the perp was described as Somali, because THAT is a real problem for the police and the media in this current climate in Minneapolis. And apparently NO barricades or assertive canvassing was done to try to catch the perp on foot within minutes/ hours of the attack. WHY??

Those are the issues.

Where is the evidence it was not reported in the papers or the news? I do not umderstand how people know about it if it was not in the news?

For me, the trigger was that the Somali was listed as the highlight. Not by ME. But how this has been displayed here.

Did we see, “ Scottish man blows up Oklahoma city daycare.”?

We have enough hate to go around in the world. Selecting trigger words is scary.