MN - Morgan Evenson, 27, survives brutal knife attack, Minneapolis, 13 Dec 2017

  • #141
I would like to know if people expect that they should not be notified in the areas these types of crimes are happening in of the fact there is a murderer on the loose? Are the general public expected not to be informed about that or what?

Most larger metropolitan cities do track crime. Police departments don’t generally announce all of them, but the data’s publicly available.

Minneapolis crime stats and maps: http://www.minneapolismn.gov/police/statistics/crime-statistics_codefor_index
 
  • #142
I didn't miss them, simply chose to address cool's conspiracy theory post. That's okay, isn't it?

Well Trident my friend. It is a conspiracy if LE and MSM are purposefully not reporting and/or "under-investigating". I am not saying that can't happen, on the contrary, i am quite sure it does happen. I just want to hear opinions on the who and why.
 
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Bbm

It's not. And CoolJ even agreed that it's not early on in the thread.



Pack mentality. It is what it is.

The fact is, they suppressed identifying information on a violent offender still at large, in this case. Thats not conspiracy theory.

It sure is a conspiracy theory..... LE and MSM in cahoots to deceive the citizens they work for. How would you describe it?
 
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It sure is a conspiracy theory..... LE and MSM in cahoots to deceive the citizens they work for. How would you describe it?

As a fact, not a theory. ( Collusion. To be more specific).

Would you characterize Ms. Evensons attack as a "botched robbery"? Just asking...
 
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from ^ article:
"“It’s not useful to report the race or the appearance of any suspect in a crime alert,” he said. “The only ones who need that information is the police.”

Oh?!!?!?!?!!?!!

I live near a large university. There are often rapes and robberies in the area. The race is never reported on the news. Young women are told to be on the lookout for male suspects, given approximate height, weight etc. I've always thought it strange ; young women living alone should get all the protection possible from LE. The non race reporting is a fairly new phenomena.
 
  • #149
from ^ article:
"“It’s not useful to report the race or the appearance of any suspect in a crime alert,” he said. “The only ones who need that information is the police.”

Oh?!!?!?!?!!?!!

This is from 2015. 2015 is three years ago. Is this 2015 information still in effect?
 
  • #150
This is from 2015. 2015 is three years ago. Is this 2015 information still in effect?

Post was meant to explain the reasoning behind not reporting the race of the perp.
 
  • #151
There's a difference in describing a person using descriptors and describing a person based solely on race. You can describe someone as "dark skinned" or even "very dark skinned" but to straight up say Somali or Iranian etc can throw the investigation way out of whack because there's no way to know a person's race based on skin color alone. It could lead to "Well, I suspect it's my cousin but they said the perp is Iranian and he's Lebanese so it can't be him." See what I mean?

On the flip side, just saying "black male, 5'10"" helps NOBODY and actually puts a LOT of citizens in harm's way. Look at all the people mistakenly shot by police because of an extremely vague description that used ONLY race.
 
  • #152
As a fact, not a theory. ( Collusion. To be more specific).

Would you characterize Ms. Evensons attack as a "botched robbery"? Just asking...

Before you can call something a fact, you have to have rock solid evidence. Show me the evidence that 1) LE and MSM is “colluding”/conspiring to decieve the public and 2) that Somalians in Minnesota commit violent crimes at a higher rate than the average.

If you can do that, I am with you.
 
  • #153
Post was meant to explain the reasoning behind not reporting the race of the perp.

It is cited as the way things are done. I want to know if it still holds today.
 
  • #154
There's a difference in describing a person using descriptors and describing a person based solely on race. You can describe someone as "dark skinned" or even "very dark skinned" but to straight up say Somali or Iranian etc can throw the investigation way out of whack because there's no way to know a person's race based on skin color alone. It could lead to "Well, I suspect it's my cousin but they said the perp is Iranian and he's Lebanese so it can't be him." See what I mean?

On the flip side, just saying "black male, 5'10"" helps NOBODY and actually puts a LOT of citizens in harm's way. Look at all the people mistakenly shot by police because of an extremely vague description that used ONLY race.

I get what you're saying, but if we go with that premise, then why didn't MSM report much earlier that " a young black man of thin build etc. attempted to murder Morgan Evenson on a suburban street and stabbed her 14 times as he tackled her to the ground etc. and a description of what he was wearing? And if there was a good identification of him then why no identikit picture released of him either?
I think the main reason people are upset is because of the timing of the reporting isn't it, not that he was somalian or whatever?
 
  • #155
I get what you're saying, but if we go with that premise, then why didn't MSM report much earlier that " a young black man of thin build etc. attempted to murder Morgan Evenson on a suburban street and stabbed her 14 times as he tackled her to the ground etc. and a description of what he was wearing? And if there was a good identification of him then why no identikit picture released of him either?
I think the main reason people are upset is because of the timing of the reporting isn't it, not that he was somalian or whatever?

I was responding to the many many posts regarding the reporting (or non reporting) of race. I have no comment on the timing of the reporting.

I tend to assume if I didn't see it reported right away, it's because I missed where it was posted, not that it was some vast conspiracy by MSM and LE.
 
  • #156
There's a difference in describing a person using descriptors and describing a person based solely on race. You can describe someone as "dark skinned" or even "very dark skinned" but to straight up say Somali or Iranian etc can throw the investigation way out of whack because there's no way to know a person's race based on skin color alone. It could lead to "Well, I suspect it's my cousin but they said the perp is Iranian and he's Lebanese so it can't be him." See what I mean?

On the flip side, just saying "black male, 5'10"" helps NOBODY and actually puts a LOT of citizens in harm's way. Look at all the people mistakenly shot by police because of an extremely vague description that used ONLY race.

https://home.chicagopolice.org/get-...s-and-cpd-contacts/how-to-describe-a-suspect/

The police want as much info as possible. BTW I would think police mistakenly shooting someone because of a vague description is extremely rare.
 
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  • #158
This isn't the thread for it, but it has happened countless times.

If providing the race of a suspect causes the shooting of innocents & that is the reason to not provide race, I think that is very important to this thread.
 
  • #159
So *first* the absurd, appalling justification for withholding suspect descriptions from the public was because the descriptions of suspects happen to coincide with descriptions that might fit other innocent people. (And we can't have TRUTH or TRANSPARENCY, because that "unfairly" stigmatizes "some" races and ethnicities?? Even though those races and ethnicities have an awful lot of current criminal activity in the area?)

Because then "the public" would "unfairly" stigmatize others who happen to fit the same description. Truth be damned-- we can't describe suspects accurately because the public might just take actions to protect themselves from a violent suspect on the loose, right?

The public "might" report the "wrong" suspect to 911?

Someone might decide to take evasive actions if they see someone that matches a violent suspect description, acting suspiciously?

God forbid, people might be alert for someone/s that matches the suspect's description and behavior, and adopt better, more safe behaviors (like walking with a buddy)?

But NOW the appalling justification has morphed into "we must withhold suspect descriptions from POLICE" because police "might" make a mistake and target the wrong suspect?

AYFKM??

So, we're just going to go with full on anarchy? Is that that plan? So we don't hurt anyone's little feelings?

This is a giant game of "let's pretend". It's f-ing ridiculous. Given a little more time, we will be a violent, murderous, anarchic third world country-- heck, we have pockets of the country that are that way now (such as the south side of Chicago). That's where this kind of absurdity leads. It's unspeakably dangerous to the law abiding, peaceful public, and our way of life. Ignoring this kind of crime leads to even more crime, more bold violence, decline of neighborhoods, lost tax revenue as businesses move out, etc.

IDGAF about the criminals-- they have a choice NOT to commit crimes. They deserve no privacy as to their "description", and no "sheltering" from apprehension and prosecution. Spread their descriptions, and the crime they've committed, far and wide until they're caught, each and every time. This is really one area where, IMO, there can be no compromise. There are not multiple "valid" points of view on something like this, IMO.

Our problems, IMO, are not that we are too "intolerant" as a society. Rather, we are far TOO tolerant, of what should never be tolerated. A brazen knife attack on a sidewalk is not something that should EVER be swept under the rug, concealed, minimized, or "tolerated", under the guise of being "tolerant" and "politically correct".

This is exactly why regular citizens begin to conceal carry, which a lot of bleeding hearts want to wail about. THIS is why people begin to feel a need to take more protective measures for themselves, because they don't trust police to assertively and aggressively fight crime in a TIMELY manner. I wish Morgan Evenson had been packing a handgun, and killed the SOB that stabbed her 14 times. That's what the perp deserved, IMO.
 
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