MN - One dead after Minneapolis shooting involving immigration agents, US media report, January 24, 2026

  • #561
This is actually what happened.

Pepper spray, dragging Alex away from helping the woman up after she was shoved down by an agent, agent pulls a gun while others are holding Alex down.

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Thanks for posting what most of us have seen numerous times by now across all platforms. The vids and pics are really pretty straightforward.

Simply : The victim was off to the side of the road helping a woman who had been pushed randomly by ICE as ICE walked by. He was helping her get up.
ICE pushed/grabbed him and then piled on him while he was face down on the side of the road and pummeled him. Then shot him.

The question I have had for a while as I watch all the videos posted by onlookers since Good was shot - is why is ICE randomly pushing people down on the ground ?
This is a public street/sidewalk. If people want to film and walk and whatever it's LEGAL. Others are driving by in their cars. There was no blockade. The victim was shot on the ground in broad daylight across the street from an open and operating doughnut shop in a retail area before lunchtime where people were coming and going.

I also saw this pushing people over by ICE, over by ICE HQ. ICE entered a peaceful crowd and started doing just that - pushing people over.

The National Guard I saw is now giving out donuts and coffee to people protesting over by that HQ - interesting juxaposition.


Probably a good solution would be to disarm ICE. They have their tear gas, pepper spray, stun guns and car window smashers. IMO that should be more than enough. They are not really trained IMO to have firearms around the public.

Just my opinion
 
  • #562
Please note: analyzing the events that unfolded does not equate with declaring that the shooting was justified.

But, there's always a but ... the woman in the white coat and black toque, who was eventually shoved by ICE, was talking to ICE agents when everything went wrong. Why was she, an "observer", talking to ICE agents? Could that be interpreted as crossing the line of non-interference with federal ICE agents conducting an arrest? That interaction triggered everything that followed.

green: white Coat woman following ICE agents, talking to him
red: Ice Agent looking back at white coat woman
Pretti: escorting a woman away from possible confrontation?
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green: white coat woman is still interacting with ICE agent
red: ICE agent giving her his full attention
Pretti: looking back and paying attention to white coat woman
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green: white coat woman still talking to ICE agent ... saying what?
red: ICE agent shoves woman in white coat
Pretti: giving full attention to woman talking to ICE agent
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green: woman in white coat slipped and fell on snow
red: ICE agent grabbing Pretti's hand
Pretti: stepped in between ICE agent and woman who was talking to ICE agent
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When the nurse (Pretti) tried to help the woman in the white coat stand up, ICE agents may have assumed that they were together. That is when more agents approached and tackled Pretti.

If the woman in the white coat had observed, and not interacted with ICE agents, would Pretti have been shot?

Guardian News:

Maybe not, but something else would have happened. First, it seems to be an exceptionally poorly acting group of agents so once they lost their goal, anger ensued.

We have two sides here, it seems.

One is, “no one invited you here” side

The other one is a group of people who may have poor innate ability to de-escalate and were not trained to deal with broad US public, a huge issue.

Pretti, if I understand correctly, used to be a scientist before he went into nursing. Perhaps by nature he is “the organizing” type. He was helping the protesters find the parking before it all happened. So it seems that he was “trying to organize something in a prone-to-chaos-situation”. When the woman was hit, his “helper’s side” turned in, he was a nurse, after all. And he ended up being the martyr.

So, yes, IMO, both sides have to draw certain conclusions.

The protesters: least of all do we need it to descend into chaos. Our right to express our opinion is protected by the First Amendment, but we are not out to yell profanities because it doesn’t reach the goal. There are rules to civilized confrontation, and they don’t imply rudeness or inciting aggression from your opponents.

The ICE: look, practically the worst thing you can imagine doing is killing an American citizen during a peaceful protest, in his own state! You call yourself law enforcement, so behave accordingly. Wear ear plugs if you are irritated by the whistles, but don’t attack or kill peaceful protesters, they have the right to protest.

So here is Alex Pretti’s life story

He was a typical American boy. A former Boy Scout and a choir boy who got a degree in biology and published research papers, before switching to nursing in VA. He was married (I read, divorced, elsewhere). He was a vegan (so, perhaps liked animals?) and also, exercised his Second Amendment right. He had no criminal history. The society has lost a very good person, IMHO. RIP.

 
  • #563
He had a high caliber weapon, a super duper gun - it was simultaneously the gun being taken and ice shooting, how was ice supposed to know he wasn't reaching for another weapon or the exact one that was being removed from him, they were protecting the ice agents as they should of been - he shouldn't of been fighting w/ICE nor had any weapon to use against ICE - it is their job to get illegals out! illegals were told to deport - free trip home and cash on arrival to your home and then you can come back legally! if they have to come and get you, you'll be banned for 10 years or more - leave ice alone to do their job, comply with the officers - respect the officers - all law enforcement should be supported & all law enforcement should be getting illegals out of this country - as its the law and illegals breed crime and are criminals due to the simple fact of them being here illegally💯
 
  • #564
Somebody is lying.

jmo
Then why was ICE really there? They took their eyes off the person they were supposedly there to detain, who supposedly had no criminal record (I wonder if this person even exists, at this point) and they left him in the donut shop?! Maybe I'm just being paranoid, but seriously why was ICE there? Make it make sense
 
  • #565
He had a high caliber weapon, a super duper gun - it was simultaneously the gun being taken and ice shooting, how was ice supposed to know he wasn't reaching for another weapon or the exact one that was being removed from him, they were protecting the ice agents as they should of been - he shouldn't of been fighting w/ICE nor had any weapon to use against ICE.
He wasn’t fighting with ICE. He wasn’t being violent. He was helping a woman up who had been pushed.

If ICE was worried for their safety, they should have de-escalated the situation, but instead they pepper sprayed a man that they didn’t know was armed and then tackled him to the ground. While he was on the ground, they saw a holstered gun in his pants, removed it and shot him 10+ times. Why were they even trying to arrest him, what were the charges? He broke absolutely zero laws and was not being violent or threatening/obstructing any law enforcement.
 
  • #566
Just want to point out that these weren't ICE agents. They were Border Control agents. Not that it matters that much as now they are all following the same 'agenda' ..... i.e. all potential immigrants (largely based on skin color) are likely criminals and therefore should be detained (grabbed) without any warrant or evidence. Same playbook in my measly opinion.

There have been many documented cases where people were detained and then let go as there was no evidence they broke the law. (One recent example is the elderly Hmong gentleman who was taken out of his home in the dead of winter in his underwear and just a blanket over his shoulders. He was later released. Why did they treat him like that??)


The distinction matters a little bit, because there is no Federal border to patrol in Minneapolis. So, they can't even be said to be doing border control things.

ICE is supposed to be enforcing immigration law, so if it is true that the man they were chasing was an undocumented immigrant, there is some argument for an orderly ICE arrest. (Although it is also reported that he is suspected of some kind of crime, so he should face justice for that, first, before enforcing immigration law if it's serious.)

So, assuming it was appropriate to arrest the target, by ICE, not border patrol, how can these federal agents, who greatly outnumbered him, be so incompetent? He ran into a donut shop and was locked inside. Their job was nearly done. If the shop door would not be opened, they would need a warrant. If a judge believed it was reasonable to tell the shop to let officials in, they could get a warrant.

How did this guy escape? That is on the agents, not the public taking videos.

Even if they hadn't killed anyone, they flubbed that arrest royally even when way over-staffed. It is embarrassingly incompetent that they could not detain that suspect.

MOO
 
  • #567
He had a high caliber weapon, a super duper gun - it was simultaneously the gun being taken and ice shooting, how was ice supposed to know he wasn't reaching for another weapon or the exact one that was being removed from him, they were protecting the ice agents as they should of been - he shouldn't of been fighting w/ICE nor had any weapon to use against ICE - it is their job to get illegals out! illegals were told to deport - free trip home and cash on arrival to your home and then you can come back legally! if they have to come and get you, you'll be banned for 10 years or more - leave ice alone to do their job, comply with the officers - respect the officers - all law enforcement should be supported & all law enforcement should be getting illegals out of this country - as its the law and illegals breed crime and are criminals due to the simple fact of them being here illegally💯
Did you watch the footage? Pretti wasn't reaching for another gun, they shot him in the back execution style. Sorry but ICE is terrorizing communities and they need to leave Minnesota. Before they kill any more innocents.
 
  • #568
He had a high caliber weapon, a super duper gun - it was simultaneously the gun being taken and ice shooting, how was ice supposed to know he wasn't reaching for another weapon or the exact one that was being removed from him, they were protecting the ice agents as they should of been - he shouldn't of been fighting w/ICE nor had any weapon to use against ICE - it is their job to get illegals out! illegals were told to deport - free trip home and cash on arrival to your home and then you can come back legally! if they have to come and get you, you'll be banned for 10 years or more - leave ice alone to do their job, comply with the officers - respect the officers - all law enforcement should be supported & all law enforcement should be getting illegals out of this country - as its the law and illegals breed crime and are criminals due to the simple fact of them being here illegally💯
I can't imagine many would believe what they are told about being able to come back legally would actually happen. Why not just help them whilst they remain on US soil if the plan is for them to come back? It makes no sense and therefore you can't expect people who are terrified right now of being detained or their families being torn apart to believe that either

But I thought he was legally allowed to carry the gun? Were there any limitations on where he could carry it? So given many people carry guns legally, why were ICE not trained in dealing with a situation like this where someone is carrying legally? Or if they were trained for these situations, why did the behave and react the way they did? Because that would be a slippery slope from the perspective of those who want the right to carry, because they risk being killed in the street simply for carrying a gun that they are legally allowed to do. If someone entered Walmart or walked around the park, is it appropriate for law enforcement/ICE to assume they are going to use the gun and would justify shooting them?
 
  • #569

Minnesota prisons say that federal agents are giving 'inaccurate information' about man they were seeking​

BREAKING

The Minnesota Department of Corrections (DOC) has rebutted some of the claims made by Border Patrol Commander Greg Bovino and other federal officials when Alex Pretti was shot.

Bovino has said that immigration enforcement agents were seeking Jose Huerta Chuma during their "targeted" operation, and that Chuma's criminal history includes domestic assault, intentional infliction of bodily harm and disorderly conduct.

The DOC in a statement says federal statements "have repeatedly included inaccurate information about Minnesota custody and criminal records", prompting them to review available records to determine whether Chuma had any connection to Minnesota state prison custody.

Per the statement, the Minnesota DOC says:

  • The individual identified by federal officials has never been in Minnesota DOC custody
  • DOC and court records show no felony commitments associated with this
  • Public Minnesota court records reflect only misdemeanor-level traffic offenses from more than a decade ago
  • The individual is not currently under DOC supervision.
The DOC adds that their records also indicate the Huerta was previously held in federal immigration custody in a local Minnesota jail in 2018, noting that this was during President Trump’s first administration.

"Any decisions regarding release from federal custody at that time would have been made by federal authorities. DOC has no information explaining why this individual was released," the statement says.

The DOC also pushed back on allegations that it does not cooperate with ICE to facilitate custody transfers for individuals subject to federal detainers.

"The inaccurate assertions of these high-level ICE officials are untrue, reckless, and contrary to longstanding practice," the DOC says.

Too many people are missing the massive point made in this statement IMO.

Noem clearly said in the press conference after the shooting that Minnesota authorities are releasing violent illegal immigrants (instead of turning them over to the federal authorities) and this statement from DOC demonstrate that in fact federal authorities are the ones doing it.
The person they were looking for was never an inmate of Minnesota DOC, he was in fact a federal prisoner who was released by the same federal authorities who are now scrambling to find him (and killing innocent victims in the process).

What more do we need to admit that Noem (and her crew) are lying through their teeth? These lies are what people are protesting for: the lies that they use to justify ICE's actions.
 
  • #570
I can't imagine many would believe what they are told about being able to come back legally would actually happen. Why not just help them whilst they remain on US soil if the plan is for them to come back? It makes no sense and therefore you can't expect people who are terrified right now of being detained or their families being torn apart to believe that either
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Illegal immigrants have been given the option to voluntarily self-deport, and DHS also offered them the funds to do so. It was reported that thousands (I don't remember the exact number) of illegals decided to take advantage of the offer and they chose to self-deport. They would then have the option to apply to come to the U.S. legally, and get in line behind individuals who have applied for immigration to come to the U.S. legally. Being involuntarily deported would mean that a legal application would no longer be an option.
 
  • #571
He had a high caliber weapon, a super duper gun - it was simultaneously the gun being taken and ice shooting, how was ice supposed to know he wasn't reaching for another weapon or the exact one that was being removed from him, they were protecting the ice agents as they should of been - he shouldn't of been fighting w/ICE nor had any weapon to use against ICE - it is their job to get illegals out! illegals were told to deport - free trip home and cash on arrival to your home and then you can come back legally! if they have to come and get you, you'll be banned for 10 years or more - leave ice alone to do their job, comply with the officers - respect the officers - all law enforcement should be supported & all law enforcement should be getting illegals out of this country - as its the law and illegals breed crime and are criminals due to the simple fact of them being here illegally💯
1) it was a border control agent, not ICE. 2) the victim was not fighting the agents. He was helping another victim who was pushed down. 3) he was carrying a legal gun responsibly 4) the victim was a US citizen. 5) the target of the operation that was alleged to have some immigration issues was allowed to escape because the over-sized team trying to arrest him got distracted. It was incompetence of the agents.

I don't like my tax dollars spent on a bumbling, trigger happy team of enforcers who push people down, pepper spray people, and shoot people while they let their suspect get away.

MOO
 
  • #572
Then why was ICE really there? They took their eyes off the person they were supposedly there to detain, who supposedly had no criminal record (I wonder if this person even exists, at this point) and they left him in the donut shop?! Maybe I'm just being paranoid, but seriously why was ICE there? Make it make sense
In any other crime on WS, we would analyze the perps' actions, but in this case, all the scrutiny seems to be focused on the victim.

Why did the agents aggressively approach members of the public (women, fwiw) and SHOVE them to the ground? Why were they so angry with Alex for helping the fallen women that they massed-tackled him?


jmopinion
 
  • #573
It's one thing to order it and an entirely different thing to comply. I have no confidence they'll comply.
A federal judge in Minnesota has blocked the Trump administration from "destroying or altering evidence" related to today's fatal shooting of Pretti.
[snip]
Judge Eric Tostrud's order includes any "evidence that Defendants and those working on their behalf removed from the scene and/or evidence that Defendants have taken into their exclusive custody," it states.
Judge orders Trump administration officials to preserve evidence from shooting
 
  • #574
<Snipped for focus>

Illegal immigrants have been given the option to voluntarily self-deport, and DHS also offered them the funds to do so. It was reported that thousands (I don't remember the exact number) of illegals decided to take advantage of the offer and they chose to self-deport. They would then have the option to apply to come to the U.S. legally, and get in line behind individuals who have applied for immigration to come to the U.S. legally. Being involuntarily deported would mean that a legal application would no longer be an option.
How many of those do you think will be let back into the country whilst Trump is president?
 
  • #575
Too many people are missing the massive point made in this statement IMO.

Noem clearly said in the press conference after the shooting that Minnesota authorities are releasing violent illegal immigrants (instead of turning them over to the federal authorities) and this statement from DOC demonstrate that in fact federal authorities are the ones doing it.
The person they were looking for was never an inmate of Minnesota DOC, he was in fact a federal prisoner who was released by the same federal authorities who are now scrambling to find him (and killing innocent victims in the process).

What more do we need to admit that Noem (and her crew) are lying through their teeth? These lies are what people are protesting for: the lies that they use to justify ICE's actions.

Yes, I was reading earlier that immigration detainees are handed over to federal officers. The feds are the ones who keep or release them.


When ICE continued to claim they were picking up violent criminals off the streets after they were released from prison, Schnell released video evidence of inmates being literally handed off to ICE agents.

Schnell described it as a routine process, required by state law, that "occurs in every single case involving ICE detainers."

"It is disturbing that DHS continues to issue inaccurate statements that erode public trust. We will not allow misinformation to go unchecked—especially when it threatens the integrity of public safety agencies and undermines transparency," Schnell said in a statement.

 
  • #576
In any other crime on WS, we would analyze the perps' actions, but in this case, all the scrutiny seems to be focused on the victim.
To piggyback off of that, there’s very few other crimes that get discussed here on WS that have multiple videos showing the crime happening from many different angles, so we can see with our own two eyes what happened during said crime. And yet, the victims behaviors are still being picked apart and the perpetrators actions are being justified. It’s wild to me. IMO.
 
  • #577
How many of those do you think will be let back into the country whilst Trump is president?
There are a number of categories for legal immigration application and criteria for lawful immigration. Different categories have more or less applicants and the waiting time for application review, vetting, and decision varies with category, etc. For many of us who immigrated to the U.S. legally it sometimes took years, so it's hard to say, there are a lot of variables. The important point, though, is that illegals who voluntarily self-deport have that option. Illegals who continue to break the law by remaining in the U.S. will no longer have that option. It's their choice.
 
  • #578
because those on the border are there to control the border. Those in MN are there based on a completely different agenda. JMO
And I’m seeing that firsthand as I escaped Western MA right after Thanksgiving & have been in Tucson and now Ajo. It’s really close to the border. There’s a big Border Patrol station here. You sees their trucks everywhere in the remote areas but all the checkpoints are closed. Haven’t been stopped once and this is honestly the first time that’s true.

I’m seeing a lot of dissembling. Also see more people not buying the bs this time around. So many moral choices lately. People are showing who they are.
 
  • #579
  • #580
It's one thing to order it and an entirely different thing to comply. I have no confidence they'll comply.
It is important to do things properly. Also, it documents what happened. What is on paper can matter now and down the road.

And, it forces the Feds to show who they are, tbh. The order is an opportunity to do the right thing.

jmopinion
 

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