MN - One dead after Minneapolis shooting involving immigration agents, US media report, January 24, 2026

  • #781
I keep seeing people say Alex was “impeding an ICE operation,” and I honestly don’t see how that argument works based on the footage we have.

From everything available, the agents didn’t have a warrant to enter the building they wanted. The business owner locked the door. That means there was no active arrest happening. So what operation, exactly, was Alex interfering with? Waiting for a warrant isn’t an operation. Calling for more agents to intimidate a business owner isn’t one either.

What is visible on video is an agent shoving a woman. That’s where Alex steps in. If that shove wasn’t lawful (and I don’t see how it could be), then Alex wasn’t impeding anything. He was responding to an agent using unnecessary force on a civilian. He put himself between a woman on the ground and an armed agent who was escalating. He wasn’t obstructing, he was helping.

I just can’t make the “impeding” claim fit the evidence. All I see is a man trying to help two women who were being manhandled, and paying for it with his life.

IMO
 
  • #782
now
Republican Senator Rand Paul, who chairs the Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs committee, has requested that the leaders of US immigration agencies, including ICE and CBP, testify.

Paul is requesting that the testimony take place at an open hearing by 12 February.

 
  • #783
interfere, or document what happens and warn their community? both documenting and warning are not only allowed but also good things to do, when you see the cruelty of what happened and how the version that “they” tell is a clear lie when you see what’s been filmed.

if no one can document anymore, they can be as cruel as they want and make up as many lies as they want without any evidence.
Thank God they documented, otherwise Alex Pretti would be known as a terrorist and an assassin.
 
  • #784
interfere, or document what happens and warn their community? both documenting and warning are not only allowed but also good things to do, when you see the cruelty of what happened and how the version that “they” tell is a clear lie when you see what’s been filmed.

if no one can document anymore, they can be as cruel as they want and make up as many lies as they want without any evidence.
Anyone ever read The Diary of Anne Frank?
 
  • #785
That seems to be the question - what happened prior to the shooting that resulted in the shooting. Some argue that everyone has the right to interfere with federal agents undertaking their job duties. Federal law says that there are limits regarding interference. Intimidation is not allowed. Blowing whistles, approaching federal officers to confront them about the job they are doing, swearing, chanting all constitute a form of intimidation.

I don't think there is a question of whether the intimidation interferes with undertaking the responsibilities, but rather whether it exists or not.

What does it matter? The agents shot disarmed person lying on the ground ten times. No matter ehat facial expressions Alex Pretti did shooting him was not appropriate response.

MOO 🐄
 
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Minnesota AG voices concern video evidence not being preserved in Pretti investigation​

Carl Nasman
Reporting from Minneapolis
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Media caption, Minnesota Attorney General tells the BBC he is concerned on shooting evidence preservation

I caught up with Keith Ellison, the Attorney General of Minnesota, during a courtroom break in Minneapolis. He along other state and local officials are arguing two crucial legal cases today.

The first asks a federal judge to temporarily halt the surge of federal immigration officers in the city. The second hearing revolves around a previous ruling ordering the Trump Administration to preserve evidence related to the shooting of Alex Pretti.

Ellison told me he is concerned that footage from cameras worn by immigration agents involved in the shooting of Alex Pretti – or from Pretti’s smartphone - might not be preserved.

“I am so concerned that the video is not being preserved that I sought an order from a district court just a couple of nights ago. Look – this is the third shooting in the last two weeks and the second death. And in the two preceding ones, where we trusted the federal government to act responsibly, they didn’t. So we had to go to a court and get a court order. What other choice did I have? That’s how concerned I am. This is unprecedented.”

I was thinking of Alex’s phone. He was recording when he was shot. Where is his phone and the video?
 
  • #787
I keep seeing people say Alex was “impeding an ICE operation,” and I honestly don’t see how that argument works based on the footage we have.

From everything available, the agents didn’t have a warrant to enter the building they wanted. The business owner locked the door. That means there was no active arrest happening. So what operation, exactly, was Alex interfering with? Waiting for a warrant isn’t an operation. Calling for more agents to intimidate a business owner isn’t one either.

What is visible on video is an agent shoving a woman. That’s where Alex steps in. If that shove wasn’t lawful (and I don’t see how it could be), then Alex wasn’t impeding anything. He was responding to an agent using unnecessary force on a civilian. He put himself between a woman on the ground and an armed agent who was escalating. He wasn’t obstructing, he was helping.

I just can’t make the “impeding” claim fit the evidence. All I see is a man trying to help two women who were being manhandled, and paying for it with his life.

IMO
A big reason this argument keeps circulating, imo, is down to authoritarian bias, the tendency to assume that state agents, especially law enforcement, are acting lawfully and legitimately by default, and that anyone harmed by them must have done something wrong. For people operating under that bias, the presence of ICE alone is enough to retroactively construct an “operation,” even when no warrant is visible and no lawful arrest is taking place. Once authority is assumed to be correct, the facts become secondary. Any civilian resistance such as filming, questioning, or intervening when someone is shoved gets reframed as “interference.” jmo.
 
  • #788
I was thinking of Alex’s phone. He was recording when he was shot. Where is his phone and the video?
I hope a bystander grabbed it. If <modsnip: there are no allegations / charges against anyone> got it, it's of no use now. IMO
 
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  • #789
Exactly. I mean look at what has been going on recently and it's all been documented... filmed from different angles, and yet you have government officials claiming the complete opposite of what is in front of our very eyes. It's very scary. Jmo.
It's scary they lied and even more scary that people believe the lies (or pretend to).

jmo
 
  • #790
A big reason this argument keeps circulating, imo, is down to authoritarian bias, the tendency to assume that state agents, especially law enforcement, are acting lawfully and legitimately by default, and that anyone harmed by them must have done something wrong. For people operating under that bias, the presence of ICE alone is enough to retroactively construct an “operation,” even when no warrant is visible and no lawful arrest is taking place. Once authority is assumed to be correct, the facts become secondary. Any civilian resistance such as filming, questioning, or intervening when someone is shoved gets reframed as “interference.” jmo.
This helps me understand what I've been seeing as un-understandable. Thank you.
 
  • #791
Intimidation is not allowed. Blowing whistles, approaching federal officers to confront them about the job they are doing, swearing, chanting all constitute a form of intimidation.
I have to disagree that these are forms of intimidation. They are forms of constitutionality protected speech.

SCOTUS has ruled that profanity, verbal criticism, challenge of police, and loud, hostile protest are all constitutionally protected forms of speech.

You do not lose your right to constitutionally protected speech because ICE officers ‘feel’ intimidated. There is a legal standard for what constitutes intimidation - true threats, physical obstruction, etc.
 
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It's also anchored into the Just World Fallacy.


MOO
Yes! Our brains want to protect us. It is less stressful and scary to justify the behavior of ICE by blaming those killed by them than to acknowledge we just may have an over-funded, under-trained, federal agency that is not able to de-escalate or handle their jobs in a safe and proper manner.
 
  • #795
Two U.S. officials tell CBS News some of the Border Patrol agents involved in the fatal shooting of Alex Pretti in Minneapolis had body cameras

 
  • #796
Regarding the HHS response to the shooting of Alex Pretti:


One U.S. government official, who requested anonymity to speak candidly, said top DHS officials were mishandling the public messaging around the deadly incident, making statements that were not supported by concrete evidence, before any investigative findings came out.

"It's unclear who at DHS thought it would be a good idea to make such claims before any facts were established, but it was a terrible miscalculation," the U.S. official said.


 
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I hope a bystander grabbed it. If his alleged murderers got it, it's of no use now. IMO
Not necessarily true.

My phone uploads all of my pictures, videos, downloads and voice calls to my home NAS drive. Everything is then backed-up to an off-site location.

All this is cheap to do and anyone who needs to preserve their evidence can so so at minimal cost.
 
  • #799
I keep seeing people say Alex was “impeding an ICE operation,” and I honestly don’t see how that argument works based on the footage we have.

From everything available, the agents didn’t have a warrant to enter the building they wanted. The business owner locked the door. That means there was no active arrest happening. So what operation, exactly, was Alex interfering with? Waiting for a warrant isn’t an operation. Calling for more agents to intimidate a business owner isn’t one either.

What is visible on video is an agent shoving a woman. That’s where Alex steps in. If that shove wasn’t lawful (and I don’t see how it could be), then Alex wasn’t impeding anything. He was responding to an agent using unnecessary force on a civilian. He put himself between a woman on the ground and an armed agent who was escalating. He wasn’t obstructing, he was helping.

I just can’t make the “impeding” claim fit the evidence. All I see is a man trying to help two women who were being manhandled, and paying for it with his life.

IMO
Exactly! All Alex was doing was helping a woman ICE agents violently shoved to the ground.

The level of violence and brutality exhibited by ICE Agents is NOT normal, this murder was not acceptable, and I’m glad both Democrat and Republican leaders are stating such and demanding an investigation.
 
  • #800
Not necessarily true.

My phone uploads all of my pictures, videos, downloads and voice calls to my home NAS drive. Everything is then backed-up to an off-site location.

All this is cheap to do and anyone who needs to preserve their evidence can so so at minimal cost.
Here's hoping Alex had that access and used it!
 

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