MN - One dead after Minneapolis shooting involving immigration agents, US media report, January 24, 2026

  • #901
I have my doubts. The mayor of Minneapolis, Frey, already stated that he will not enforce federal immigration law - and this was after talking to the President.
Under the US Constitution’s “anti-commandeering” principle, specifically Printz vs the US, states are not required to enforce federal laws and the federal government cannot force states to do that. States rights and all that good stuff.

 
  • #902
Agree...but still not sad to see him go.

But who will they replace him with? Someone who hates humanity even worse?
Someone more subtle but with exactly the same goal.

But to be frank, anyone not wearing Ernst Röhm cosplay is more subtle.

MOO
 
  • #903
Can you show me in any of those documents where he wasn’t permitted to be carrying it on a public sidewalk and street in MN?
I'm sorry, I did not state such, rather pointed out the untruth that a person licensed to carry a firearm can carry anywhere whatsoever.

It's my opinion that he made a poor judgement call that day.
 
  • #904
I'm sorry, I did not state such, rather pointed out the untruth that a person licensed to carry a firearm can carry anywhere whatsoever.

It's my opinion that he made a poor judgement call that day.
 
  • #905
nevermind.
 
  • #906
I'm sorry, I did not state such, rather pointed out the untruth that a person licensed to carry a firearm can carry anywhere whatsoever.

It's my opinion that he made a poor judgement call that day.
I understand that’s your opinion. Where we don’t agree is that you seem unwilling to say that the ICE agents made any poor judgement calls that day either. IMO.
 
  • #907
I'm sorry, I did not state such, rather pointed out the untruth that a person licensed to carry a firearm can carry anywhere whatsoever.

It's my opinion that he made a poor judgement call that day.
You constantly comment on 'poor judgement' by the victim but yet you never comment on poor judgement by the feds and what caused them to murder someone down on the ground. Why is that? Curious.

And I've never heard that poor judgement deserves execution. But you seem to believe it's deserving of execution? I'm trying to understand your point. People shouldn't be murdered for poor judgement. And in my opinion the feds were over the top in poor judgement in this case. Killing someone is the absolute last resort...and only if they truly believe their life is at immediate risk. I presume you would agree with that? And Alex Pretti was not a threat when they killed him. He was laying face down on the pavement. So I'm not sure why you keep defending them.
 
  • #908
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Absolutely, we see it time and time again, situations escalating because of poorly trained officers. Even to the point of death. If you can't subdue someone without that person getting shot 10 times, especially with a team of 5 or 6, you have no business being on the force.

Even overusing the pepper spray is dangerous. I saw one of the agents clearly enjoying it.
 
  • #909
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Even overusing the pepper spray is dangerous. I saw one of the agents clearly enjoying it.
Yes I am still very confused as to why the officer pepper sprayed the woman he pushed. That seemed like an overstep in and of itself. And then he immediately pepper sprayed Alex, within 5 seconds of him helping the woman up. I don’t believe any law enforcement are trained that using pepper spray would be the first line of action in an arrest or dealing with an unruly citizen. They have to know that once a person is pepper sprayed, they generally flail around or try to move away from the spray (especially when it’s done at extremely close range)
 
  • #910
I found the forum rules (i didn't think to scroll all the way down) and it does say commentary on the victims must be respectful. I suppose that is up to interpretation, but I feel that comment crosses a line. Though I think I'm supposed to submit a report instead of making a comment, so I'll try and delete my post.
Edit: I can't seem to figure out how. I assume mods will remove if it violates the rules.
Report your own post @martinko

Press the Report button.
 
  • #911
IMO ICE Operations need to switch tactics. These trained agitator activists are amping up and becoming more dangerously organized. They need to minimize apprehensions in crowds where bystanders think they’re the main character and wanting their viral moment. Pick ground, tighten parameters, control distance, move fast, keep it clean, keep it boring, take people into custody where there’s limited audience and chaos. These apprehensions are turning into street spectacles. You are no longer running an operation you’re managing bad actors( many violent - one biting the finger tip off an agent), and plenty of them. Lean heavier on technology (facial recognition, lic plate readers, social media monitoring, skip tracing) get in, get out. Slow is smooth, fast is smooth.

For the love of God, give the DHS Security a strict script to stick too. The instant inflammatory remarks don’t help. Your agents are beyond over it.

You know who didn’t get shot by federal agents this past weekend? Me.

IMO
These aren't 'trained agitator activists'. They are people who care about their neighbors. Maybe ICE/CBP should minimize apprehensions of innocent people?? Instead you suggest that they kidnap people in the dead of night. That is not how honest law enforcement operates. Honest law enforcement doesn't have anything to hide.
 
  • #912
IMO ICE Operations need to switch tactics. These trained agitator activists are amping up and becoming more dangerously organized. They need to minimize apprehensions in crowds where bystanders think they’re the main character and wanting their viral moment. Pick ground, tighten parameters, control distance, move fast, keep it clean, keep it boring, take people into custody where there’s limited audience and chaos. These apprehensions are turning into street spectacles. You are no longer running an operation you’re managing bad actors( many violent - one biting the finger tip off an agent), and plenty of them. Lean heavier on technology (facial recognition, lic plate readers, social media monitoring, skip tracing) get in, get out. Slow is smooth, fast is smooth.

For the love of God, give the DHS Security a strict script to stick too. The instant inflammatory remarks don’t help. Your agents are beyond over it.

You know who didn’t get shot by federal agents this past weekend? Me.

IMO
It is the undisciplined, uncouth, unlawful ways in which ICE are operating that has caused citizens to become activists. Those that turn a blind eye to ICEs actions are enabling domestic terrorism IMO
 
  • #913
IMO ICE Operations need to switch tactics. These trained agitator activists are amping up and becoming more dangerously organized. They need to minimize apprehensions in crowds where bystanders think they’re the main character and wanting their viral moment. Pick ground, tighten parameters, control distance, move fast, keep it clean, keep it boring, take people into custody where there’s limited audience and chaos. These apprehensions are turning into street spectacles. You are no longer running an operation you’re managing bad actors( many violent - one biting the finger tip off an agent), and plenty of them. Lean heavier on technology (facial recognition, lic plate readers, social media monitoring, skip tracing) get in, get out. Slow is smooth, fast is smooth.

For the love of God, give the DHS Security a strict script to stick too. The instant inflammatory remarks don’t help. Your agents are beyond over it.

You know who didn’t get shot by federal agents this past weekend? Me.

IMO

I don’t think Alex thought he was being “the main character” and wanting his “viral moment”. I don’t think Alex was a “trained agitator activist” or a “bad actor”. Is this what you are saying here?
 
  • #914
These two facts are in my opinion critical to the case.

He inserted himself. And he was armed. Yes, a right to be armed, however, had he not been armed and not inserted himself into the situation when the woman was pushed down he'd likely be alive today.

I feel very sad for the US right now - that it's perceived by some that a man assisting a WOMAN being pushed down by another MAN who is part of an ongoing operation where heavy-handedness, injury and death have been observed, whilst multiple other men who are part of this operation are in close proximity too, is shot dead for this selfless act.

I feel like the US has morphed into an alternate and very gloomy reality and its so sad to watch from the outside :(
 
  • #915
First, they came for the undocumented immigrants

Paraphrasing the 1946 confessional prose piece by the German Lutheran pastor Martin Niemöller.

The English version in poetic form is as follows:
<a href="First They Came - Wikipedia"><span>[</span>2<span>]</span></a>

First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist

Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist

Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist

Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew

Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me
 
  • #916
I see this being said a lot, that these are trained agitators or paid agitators. Do you have an MSM link that supports this? And not just someone in the Trump administration or in media stating that’s what they are. Do you know the names of the persons or companies that fund their training? Who puts on the training? How does one sign up? Where is the training held? What does the training consist of? How long is the training? Are there any prerequisites that have to be fulfilled before participating in the training? Was Alex Pretti a trained agitator?

Where did the term "trained agitators" come from?

It sounds like a translation. "Agitator" has been used for so long in the context of washing machines, that i can't imagine it entering an English-based language in the new meaning.

"Professional agitators" is a term that existed in Russia during the revolution.

Perhaps some other languages have it? Where did it come from?
 
  • #917
Where did the term "trained agitators" come from?

It sounds like a translation. "Agitator" has been used for so long in the context of washing machines, that i can't imagine it entering an English-based language in the new meaning.

"Professional agitators" is a term that existed in Russia during the revolution.

Perhaps some other languages have it? Where did it come from?
It came from the post I was replying to 🤣 that’s about as much as I know
 
  • #918
I feel like the US has morphed into an alternate and very gloomy reality and its so sad to watch from the outside :(
As an American, I can say it’s sad to see it happening from the inside too.
 
  • #919
<modsnip: Information stated as fact with no approved source to support>

It's my opinion that had he not been carrying that day, and had he not inserted himself when the woman was pushed down, he'd likely be alive today.

It's my opinion that an unfortunate chain of events transpired. I do not adhere to the notion that a Federal agent in this case committed 1st degree murder.

It's my opinion that no charges will be brought against the Federal agents in this case, however, if so, they will be lesser in nature, considering a litany of factors that came in to play that day.

If that's the case, do you also consider the woman whom Alex was assisting to be lucky to have walked away with her life?
How would you know if she was carrying a firearm?

IMO,
The act of shoving the female, causing her to fall backward to the ground was a disgraceful display of someone attempting to uphold "law and order". Appalling. Alex was acting like any decent human would have.
 
  • #920
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Alex Pretti's colleague says he made hard days a little easier​

The people who worked with Alex Pretti every day describe him as a happy person, the kind of nurse many trusted.

His colleague, Dr. Dimitri Drekonja, said Pretti made hard days a little easier just by showing up and smiling.

"Everyone says the same thing, 'He was a great guy, a smiling guy, a happy guy and a helpful guy,'" Drekonja said.

He says Pretti was stellar at his job, caring for some of the sickest as an intensive care nurse.

"The biggest thing about him is you could not speak with him for more than a minute before he would have a smile on his face or crack a joke. Those are the type of people you love to work with," Drekonja said.

He said Pretti's dedication to patients did not go unnoticed, adding that health care could use good people in it.

By Ubah Ali

 

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