MN - One dead after Minneapolis shooting involving immigration agents, US media report, January 24, 2026

  • #981
I'm more focused on the "stated retribution on the citizens of our state" part. Where was this stated?? Has it been said explicitly by someone in the administration or is it implied?

On the other hand, even if it's implied, HE seems to be interpreting it that way, and that is a big thing in my mind, though I have no idea who he is, the allegation being supported and said clearly by someone who was running on a Republican ticket is massive.

Honestly, he reminds me of a once-GOP-runner for the governor of my state. A very smart man, a centrist version of the GOP. He lost with a tiny margin to my previous governor. Did Madel have the chance in Minnesota? Not after Saturday.

You see, he had to take sides. Now he is against the actions of ICE in Minnesota and he lost the party funding. He can't run his own campaign. Perhaps he'd be a better independent, IMHO.
 
  • #982
They never stopped using the chemicals in the first place, so it basically changes nothing for the people on the streets.

MOO

They stopped from Saturday to Monday (((
 
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  • #984
"Peaceful Protest", Yes. Bringing a gun to a "Peaceful Protest'. No.

Alex Pretti carried his gun legally, holstered and did not show any intent to use it. He was shot ten times in the back when he was already disarmed.
 
  • #985
It's my opinion that had he not been carrying that day, and had he not inserted himself when the woman was pushed down, he'd likely be alive today.
He was shot ten times in the back after he was incapacitated and disarmed. He never took his gun out. In actual fact the agents found out he had a gun when they searched him. Also, protesting and helping other people is not illegal.

It's my opinion that saying he would be alive if he did not carry and did not help that woman is pure, unadulterated victim blaming.

MOO 🐄
 
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  • #986
Where did the term "trained agitators" come from?

It sounds like a translation. "Agitator" has been used for so long in the context of washing machines, that i can't imagine it entering an English-based language in the new meaning.

"Professional agitators" is a term that existed in Russia during the revolution.

Perhaps some other languages have it? Where did it come from?
That term was merrily used in whole Soviet bloc to describe anyone who protested against any of the regimes. Trained, or professional agitators, rioters. Ask anyone who lived beyond the Iron Curtain.

MOO 🐄
 
  • #987
Thank you. I had no idea.

Those are some very loaded words he chose.
In all caps no less. A president of the United States said this and there was barely a reaction to it. That's where we are as a country.
 
  • #988
When I look at the footage I see a man go to help a woman who's been shoved. I then see him pepper sprayed, beaten up and shot to death.

But some people are seeing people getting in the way of LE trying to apprehend violent criminals. That is what the job of ICE is supposed to be, isn't it?

Yes. Shooting unarmed civilians, though, is not their job.


Could we all try and step back and realise that neither of these two perspectives is 100% incorrect, and that people seeing it from the other side are not bad people?

Maybe not bad, but willing to ignore evil.

MOO 🐄
 
  • #989
Yes. Shooting unarmed civilians, though, is not their job.




Maybe not bad, but willing to ignore evil.

MOO 🐄

It's pretty bad to ignore evil though. I think the whole situation is at the stage where it's beyond trying to see it from other sides. The videos are there for all to see. This was execution. The people who committed this act and the ones who excuse it need to be called out. JMO.
 
  • #990
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  • #991
It's pretty bad to ignore evil though. I think the whole situation is at the stage where it's beyond trying to see it from other sides. The videos are there for all to see. This was execution. The people who committed this act and the ones who excuse it need to be called out. JMO.
100%!
 
  • #992
Trained agitators, seriously? And where does this training take place, Costco parking lots? 🙄
I’m in NYC and a participant in organized groups looking out for our undocumented neighbors (and communicating on Signal). Churches! The trainings are predominantly happening in Christian churches. I wouldn’t call it agitators and definitely not paid, though.
 
  • #993
You constantly comment on 'poor judgement' by the victim but yet you never comment on poor judgement by the feds and what caused them to murder someone down on the ground. Why is that? Curious.

And I've never heard that poor judgement deserves execution. But you seem to believe it's deserving of execution? I'm trying to understand your point. People shouldn't be murdered for poor judgement. And in my opinion the feds were over the top in poor judgement in this case. Killing someone is the absolute last resort...and only if they truly believe their life is at immediate risk. I presume you would agree with that? And Alex Pretti was not a threat when they killed him. He was laying face down on the pavement. So I'm not sure why you keep defending them.
My opinion. I never mentioned execution or murder, the two words being used at will in this thread without an investigation or charges being brought in any way shape or form.

My opinion. Hindsight watching videos and actions taken in the heat of a moment differ. You state killing someone is a last resort only if the person believes their life is at risk, interestingly I agree, and feel this point will be one of many considered in an investigation and any legal action taken regarding the agents involved.

Fact. I personally have 3 permits to carry a firearm, each issued from separate States here in the U.S. I have years of experience in the exercise of my 2nd amendment rights. I am extremely cognizant of firearms carry law and how it differs from state to state in the U.S. I am also aware of numerous other responsibilities that come along with the carrying of a deadly weapon on my person in public. This is why I say unfortunately, in my opinion, he exercised poor judgement that day.

In my opinion it's truly an unfortunate case. I don't think any agent left their home that morning with an intent or plan to kill. I'll await the results of the investigation(s). I am not an attorney, but I think there are many factors involved here, murder and execution not being on the table. If, however, those charges come to light, then the named agents surely should be held accountable.
 
  • #994
  • #995
I am not an attorney, but I think there are many factors involved here, murder and execution not being on the table.
What factors can make shooting unarmed, incapacitated person ten times in the back anything else but murder?
 
  • #996
I’m in NYC and a participant in organized groups looking out for our undocumented neighbors (and communicating on Signal). Churches! The trainings are predominantly happening in Christian churches. I wouldn’t call it agitators and definitely not paid, though.

Just a kind person and a good neighbor

BTW, @CrimeDawg123 and I were just joking about the “neologisms”, so to say…
 
  • #997
President Donald Trump held late-night crisis talks with Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem on Monday evening amid conflicting reports about whether her job is at risk over the killing of Alex Pretti in Minneapolis.

According toThe New York Times, the meeting took place in the Oval Office, was initiated by Noem, and lasted almost 2 hours.


 
  • #998
The Trump administration appeared to acknowledge on Monday that its investigation into the killing of a Veterans Affairs nurse, Alex Pretti, by federal agents this weekend was limited to a “use of force” review meant to establish whether government employees had violated training standards.

Such a move, disclosed in court filings, would represent a much narrower inquiry focused on tactics and conduct than one that would examine whether federal agents should face criminal charges.


 
  • #999
The Trump administration appeared to acknowledge on Monday that its investigation into the killing of a Veterans Affairs nurse, Alex Pretti, by federal agents this weekend was limited to a “use of force” review meant to establish whether government employees had violated training standards.

Such a move, disclosed in court filings, would represent a much narrower inquiry focused on tactics and conduct than one that would examine whether federal agents should face criminal charges.



So, a review of the use of force.

I wonder if that then moves into criminal charges if the review finds the force was (majorly) excessive, and unwarranted. Especially due to 10 or 11 shots into a prone and defenseless man.

Or do they just make recommendations. "More training needed".
 
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