MN - Philando Castile, 32, fatally shot by police officer, 6 July 2016 #2

[K_Z]

I stand by my previous comment that the GF, Diamond Reynolds, was arguing with the officer and delayed getting out of the car.

But perhaps some of us have differing definitions of "arguing". So, I will offer my additional opinion that she was also very "mouthy", very disrespectful (her use of "sir" was clearly a "f-u"), and preoccupied with "telling off" the officer, while she was acting for the camera, and narcissistically focused/ obsessed with uploading live to facebook.

She was MUCH more interested in taking and uploading her video, than for PC's condition or need for care, IMO. At no point does she call for help, plead with the officer to help PC, or give any indication that she wants to cooperate to get him medical care, while a gun is pointed at her. She wants to have some kind of warped "discussion" with the officer about how he shot PC 4 times, while he is giving her orders. She showed exactly ZERO respect to the officer, which is clear on her video. She is very lucky she was not hurt, IMO. She escalated and prolonged that situation with her attitude and her behavior, IMO.

Absolutely, she delayed cooperating with the officer's commands (they are not suggestions when he has a gun pointed at you!), and thus delayed medical aid from being started, and put her own daughter at further risk. They still have to remove her and her daughter from the car (and get the child away from the scene ASAP), and clear both her and PC of weapons, before CPR/ first aid can begin.

Quite frankly, I think Diamond Reynolds was a huge impediment to what could have been a very orderly police stop. I have to wonder how she behaved when the car was pulled over and the 2 policemen approached, given her behavior on the video after the shooting. I think it's highly likely that her behavior with the officers put PC at much higher risk during that stop. That's my opinion.

 

[K_Z]

St. Paul police officers arrested at least 25 people from the front of the Governor's Mansion for unlawful assembly, hours after they began efforts to clear protesters Tuesday morning. Authorities say the protesters refused orders to stop blocking traffic and leave the area, so they could clear it of debris.

One man who was arrested, Kristian Lugar, said he was in a holding cell and handcuffed for two hours before he made bail and was released. Once released, Lugar returned to the scene to join remaining demonstrators.

Meanwhile, officers used riot gear and pepper spray to disperse the crowd and move protesters away from the buses.

http://www.kare11.com/news/arrests-made-as-police-clear-protesters-from-summit/281658870

Even arrests and pepper spray aren't much of a deterrent for these persistent bounce-back protesters. Chance, after chance, after chance they get before being arrested-- and they keep complaining that police are too aggressive! Good grief. Police are far too tolerant and lenient with this kind of behavior, IMO.

It's so hard to take these "protesters" seriously, IMO. Especially the "acting for the cameras"-- the overly dramatic crying and screaming, flailing around, interspersed with laughing and clapping, during the arrests. It's all just a big game to these people-- a dangerous game that can turn to rioting and violence at any moment.

They have far too much free time on their hands, that would be much better spent being gainfully employed at a real job, and paying taxes IMO. Or working effectively and respectfully with authorities and legislators to make progress on what they perceive as problems. IMO.

 

[al66pine]

K_Z - thanks for link, from which I snipped this:

"Why aren’t we willing to wait until facts are gathered, and to get an idea as to what the officer involved was confronted with, to have the benefit of knowing more about what led to this outcome? Wouldn’t that be the fair and proper thing to do?
Certainly social media cannot take the place of due process."

http://www.twincities.com/2016/07/2...time-for-judgment-is-after-we-know-the-facts/ July 25

 

[human]

K_Z - thanks for link, from which I snipped this:

"Why aren’t we willing to wait until facts are gathered, and to get an idea as to what the officer involved was confronted with, to have the benefit of knowing more about what led to this outcome? Wouldn’t that be the fair and proper thing to do?
Certainly social media cannot take the place of due process."

http://www.twincities.com/2016/07/2...time-for-judgment-is-after-we-know-the-facts/ July 25

Seems only fair and that should be applied to judgments re the gf.

 

[K_Z]

This article is updated for 8:01 pm and says 46 were arrested, not 25 as the earlier article reported.

St. Paul police officers arrested at least 46 people from the front of the Governor's Mansion for unlawful assembly, hours after they began efforts to clear protesters Tuesday morning.

http://www.kare11.com/news/arrests-made-as-police-clear-protesters-from-summit/281658870

After a long day of conflict between demonstrators and police at the governor’s Summit Avenue residence in St. Paul, at least 44 protesters were arrested or ticketed. In separate actions during the day, 15 protesters were cited and released and another 10 were arrested and booked into Ramsey County jail for processing, said St. Paul Police Chief Todd Axtell. A Metro Transit bus left the scene at 7:30 p.m. with 19 more arrestees on board.

Summit Avenue seesawed between being open and closed to car traffic. By 6 p.m. the encampment was largely cleared away, but more arrests were being made. Police tweeted just before 7 p.m. that protesters had been cleared from the location, but that the street would remain closed to vehicles, bikes and pedestrians.

http://www.startribune.com/proteste...or-s-residence-under-police-orders/388261202/

 

[K_Z]

This is why the road, Summit Ave, remains closed to traffic-- and it's NOT because of the police cars:

Mayor Chris Coleman said it started out peacefully but some protesters became uncooperative.

“Some folks became defiant, a few folks became quite frankly dangerous," Coleman said. "…It became very clear that for some of those folks endangering folks was exactly what they wanted to do, including throwing things at passing cars when we tried to open up the street again.”

http://www.inforum.com/news/4081644...esters-outside-governors-mansion-violent-turn

BBM. Throwing things at passing cars is not lawful behavior, and is not part of a "peaceful protest."

And that's not the only thing thrown into the street-- here it was city crews getting stuff thrown at them in the street.

City crews came through to pick up trash and clean the street. Then at 10:45 a.m., a group of officers rushed across the street to the front of the Governor’s Residence and soon forcibly arrested five people.

It happened because a protester threw a temporary “No parking” sign, which had been posted on the side of the road, into the street, said Steve Linders, St. Paul police spokesman. Demonstrators linked arms as they saw a large number of officers approaching, Avent said.

 

[GeeEm]

July 26, 2016
9:55 pm

Dozens arrested in Minn. protesting death of Philando Castile


Officers arrested three demonstrators on the sidewalk and another in the street around 11 a.m. after one allegedly removed a "No Parking" sign from a nearby curb, the Star Tribune reported.

Officers attempted to arrest the protester, but other demonstrator locked arms and formed a human chain. In response, police arrested a number of people, and video from the scene shows officers dragging protesters from the remains of the encampment, CBS Minnesota reported.






https://www.google.com/amp/www.cbsn...ting-death-of-philando-castile/?client=safari

 

[human]

July 26, 2016
9:55 pm

Dozens arrested in Minn. protesting death of Philando Castile


Officers arrested three demonstrators on the sidewalk and another in the street around 11 a.m. after one allegedly removed a "No Parking" sign from a nearby curb, the Star Tribune reported.

Officers attempted to arrest the protester, but other demonstrator locked arms and formed a human chain. In response, police arrested a number of people, and video from the scene shows officers dragging protesters from the remains of the encampment, CBS Minnesota reported.






https://www.google.com/amp/www.cbsn...ting-death-of-philando-castile/?client=safari

Kudos to the police and the protestors. No guns. Kudos to the Governor who said they could stay outside of the house as long as they wanted . Minnesota is one if the top states in the nation in many many measures. Proud to have been a Minnesotan!

 

[K_Z]

Police arrest at least 70 protesting on Summit Ave.

(Updated article from late last evening.)

http://www.kare11.com/news/arrests-made-as-police-clear-protesters-from-summit/281658870

Dozens arrested outside governor's residence in St. Paul

By 11 p.m., the scene had shifted away from the residence, and a line of more than three dozen police officers faced down a sometimes-vocal crowd of about 150 protesters about a block away, at the corner of Summit Avenue and Oxford Street.

Around 2:30 a.m. Wednesday an additional 23 people were arrested at that intersection for public nuisance and unlawful assembly, bringing the total arrests to about 70, police said.

http://www.startribune.com/proteste...or-s-residence-under-police-orders/388261202/

St. Paul police made more arrests overnight near the Governor’s Mansion on Summit Avenue.

Officers have repeatedly told protesters they cannot block the road and sidewalk. Protesters had set up tents, tarps, tables and, at times, fire pits along Summit Avenue.

A dump truck was brought in Tuesday and protesters items were hauled away. A water truck was also brought in so crews could clean the area.

St. Paul Police sent out a tweet Tuesday and said people are welcome to demonstrate, as long as they don’t block the street or sidewalk.

Obstructions not allowed on street, sidewalk or right-of-way without permit. Includes tents, tarps, furniture, fires or other supplies. They don’t want anything out here that resembles a permanent occupation and prevents others from passing.

http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2016/07/27/police-arrests-summit-avenue/

 

[human]

(Updated article from late last evening.)

http://www.kare11.com/news/arrests-made-as-police-clear-protesters-from-summit/281658870



http://www.startribune.com/proteste...or-s-residence-under-police-orders/388261202/



http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2016/07/27/police-arrests-summit-avenue/

Summit Avenue is one of the most beautiful streets in the city. Hopefully, the protesters will come back and have a method that is acceptable in the rules. Can they walk with signs or sit in chairs not in the sidewalk?

Here are some pics of the type of neighborhood on Summit

https://www.tripadvisor.com/Attract...views-Summit_Avenue-Saint_Paul_Minnesota.html

 

[K_Z]

This particular group of protesters have repeatedly demonstrated that they are not interested in following rules or laws, so I think it's unlikely that any of them will "find" a way to "protest" at this site within the posted signage which outline the laws.

I think that if they want to actually do a peaceful, lawful, more effective demonstration, they should go to the Capitol grounds and public plaza area. Right smack dab in the center of beautiful St. Paul.

But the legislature is not in session, and the Governor is out of town, so they probably won't do that, because they can't make a big enough scene. No, they're determined to trash Summit Avenue as much as they can, IMO. That it is a beautiful, historic, and wealthy neighborhood is exactly WHY they are there. It's no accident they're not demonstrating in a poor or crime-ridden neighborhood. They would ransack the Governor's Mansion and burn it down, if they had the chance, IMO. And Dayton would hug them and buy them ice cream afterward, IMO.

 

[KaaBoom]

Police tweeted just before 7 p.m. that protesters had been cleared from the location, but that the street would remain closed to vehicles, bikes and pedestrians.

http://www.startribune.com/protesters-leaving-front-of-governor-s-residence-under-police-orders/388261202/

There it is again. The police are the ones keeping the street closed, not the protesters.

 

[i.b.nora]

...snip... And Dayton would hug them and buy them ice cream afterward, IMO.

The suggestion that Dayton would buy them ice cream is interesting.

“By custom rather than by law, black folks were best off if they weren't caught eating vanilla ice cream in public in the Jim Crow South, except – the narrative always stipulates – on the Fourth of July. I heard it from my father growing up myself, and the memory of that all-but-unspoken rule seems to be unique to the generation born between World War I and World War II.

But if Maya Angelou hadn't said it in her classic autobiography I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings, I doubt anybody would believe it today.

“People in Stamps used to say that the whites in our town were so prejudiced that a Negro couldn't buy vanilla ice cream. Except on July Fourth. Other days he had to be satisfied with chocolate.”​

From: https://www.theguardian.com/comment...e-vanilla-ice-cream-jim-crow-independence-day

 

[human]

This particular group of protesters have repeatedly demonstrated that they are not interested in following rules or laws, so I think it's unlikely that any of them will "find" a way to "protest" at this site within the posted signage which outline the laws.

I think that if they want to actually do a peaceful, lawful, more effective demonstration, they should go to the Capitol grounds and public plaza area. Right smack dab in the center of beautiful St. Paul.

But the legislature is not in session, and the Governor is out of town, so they probably won't do that, because they can't make a big enough scene. No, they're determined to trash Summit Avenue as much as they can, IMO. That it is a beautiful, historic, and wealthy neighborhood is exactly WHY they are there. It's no accident they're not demonstrating in a poor or crime-ridden neighborhood. They would ransack the Governor's Mansion and burn it down, if they had the chance, IMO. And Dayton would hug them and buy them ice cream afterward, IMO.

The State Capitol is a beautiful space. Hardly ghetto.

 

[human]

This particular group of protesters have repeatedly demonstrated that they are not interested in following rules or laws, so I think it's unlikely that any of them will "find" a way to "protest" at this site within the posted signage which outline the laws.

I think that if they want to actually do a peaceful, lawful, more effective demonstration, they should go to the Capitol grounds and public plaza area. Right smack dab in the center of beautiful St. Paul.

But the legislature is not in session, and the Governor is out of town, so they probably won't do that, because they can't make a big enough scene. No, they're determined to trash Summit Avenue as much as they can, IMO. That it is a beautiful, historic, and wealthy neighborhood is exactly WHY they are there. It's no accident they're not demonstrating in a poor or crime-ridden neighborhood. They would ransack the Governor's Mansion and burn it down, if they had the chance, IMO. And Dayton would hug them and buy them ice cream afterward, IMO.

Yes, because people in crime ridden poor neighborhoods can do so much to change the world.

Hopefully, someone who is saavy with the laws can advise them of some better ideas so they do not get arrested. No point to that. They are probably learning as they go along.

 

[GeeEm]

Kudos to the police and the protestors. No guns. Kudos to the Governor who said they could stay outside of the house as long as they wanted . Minnesota is one if the top states in the nation in many many measures. Proud to have been a Minnesotan!

Agreed! ((Hugs to ya human)) You Minnesotan!!!! 🙂

O/T Did you ever see Paisley Park????? 😭

Thanks

 

[human]

Agreed! ((Hugs to ya human)) You Minnesotan!!!! ��

O/T Did you ever see Paisley Park????? ��

Thanks

No. Not a city girl

 

[CCmakes3]

I think it would be neat to see them go into a needy urban community and mentor kids in Mr. Castile's name. Whatever transportation they are using to get to the protest sites, perhaps they could offer to transport children to parks/playgrounds or unemployed individuals to job interviews or community services. I think that would be a great way to honor Mr. Castile's memory.

Fwiw and imo - disingenuous at best.

Um, no. Why? Don't they want people to be sympathetic to their cause? Don't they want to reinforce that Mr. Castile's life mattered? Why not do something to emphasize his love for kids? I just hate to see people wasting their time and achieving the opposite of their stated intentions when they could be doing something worthwhile for those they claim to represent. If my son were gunned down by cops, sure I'd be angry, but while awaiting justice I'd do something positive in his memory. My son would be devastated if he knew that I was creating havoc and getting myself arrested in his name, and others who loved him would be ashamed of me on his behalf.

ETA: Honestly, I'm not trying to be a pain in the a$$. I have argued to many friends and acquaintances that I think this man was probably unjustly shot (awaiting all of the evidence to be 100% sure). I just think he deserves better than people squatting in a rich neighborhood in his name and throwing things at the people sent to clean up after them so they don't have to do it themselves.

 

[Woodland]

I stand by my previous comment that the GF, Diamond Reynolds, was arguing with the officer and delayed getting out of the car.

But perhaps some of us have differing definitions of "arguing". So, I will offer my additional opinion that she was also very "mouthy", very disrespectful (her use of "sir" was clearly a "f-u"), and preoccupied with "telling off" the officer, while she was acting for the camera, and narcissistically focused/ obsessed with uploading live to facebook.

She was MUCH more interested in taking and uploading her video, than for PC's condition or need for care, IMO. At no point does she call for help, plead with the officer to help PC, or give any indication that she wants to cooperate to get him medical care, while a gun is pointed at her. She wants to have some kind of warped "discussion" with the officer about how he shot PC 4 times, while he is giving her orders. She showed exactly ZERO respect to the officer, which is clear on her video. She is very lucky she was not hurt, IMO. She escalated and prolonged that situation with her attitude and her behavior, IMO.

Absolutely, she delayed cooperating with the officer's commands (they are not suggestions when he has a gun pointed at you!), and thus delayed medical aid from being started, and put her own daughter at further risk. They still have to remove her and her daughter from the car (and get the child away from the scene ASAP), and clear both her and PC of weapons, before CPR/ first aid can begin.

Quite frankly, I think Diamond Reynolds was a huge impediment to what could have been a very orderly police stop. I have to wonder how she behaved when the car was pulled over and the 2 policemen approached, given her behavior on the video after the shooting. I think it's highly likely that her behavior with the officers put PC at much higher risk during that stop. That's my opinion.

<mod snip>your points in your commentary just aren't there imo. The gf has a gun pointed at her with clear instructions on what to do - and yet is doing her own thing according to you? And she lives? That's unusual in the US.

I see you have a few that agree - not nearly as many as one year ago iirc.

The 'war' rages on with no solution according to this post. Is that what you and your followers want?

 

[galiuro]

There it is again. The police are the ones keeping the street closed, not the protesters.

because protesters throwing things at cars as they go by is a good thing, one that should be allowed, even encouraged.