MN - Philando Castile, 32, shot by police officer, 6 July 2016 #1

[Tillicum]

BLM says it wants Falcon Heights to cut ties with the St. Anthony Police Department after the shooting of 32-year-old Philando Castile Wednesday night.

http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2016/07/09/philando-protest/

 

[anonypotomous]

From link above:

"In total police in Minnesota brought 31 cases against Castile, racking up 63 charges for mostly minor traffic offenses - 43 of which he was found guilty or convicted of and has paid out hundreds of dollars in fines."


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[Tawny]

They dig and dig and dig for justification.

 

[Gardenista]

He does look very similar to the guy who robbed the store. I can understand the stop.

 

[barcode]

He does look very similar to the guy who robbed the store. I can understand the stop.

Where can I find a pic of the guy who robbed store, been searching the links here to no avail. TIA

 

[Gardenista]

Where can I find a pic of the guy who robbed store, been searching the links here to no avail. TIA

It was an armed robbery of something like a super usa convenience store--you can google it. I don't think he was the one who did the robbery, but somewhat looked like the guy so it makes sense he would be stopped to be questioned.

 

[Beyond Belief]

http://www.kare11.com/news/crime/police-2-wanted-in-gas-station-robbery/264734180

 

[Cannonball3804]

From link above:

"In total police in Minnesota brought 31 cases against Castile, racking up 63 charges for mostly minor traffic offenses - 43 of which he was found guilty or convicted of and has paid out hundreds of dollars in fines."


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Clearly, he had it coming.

Sarcasm


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[human]

From link above:

"In total police in Minnesota brought 31 cases against Castile, racking up 63 charges for mostly minor traffic offenses - 43 of which he was found guilty or convicted of and has paid out hundreds of dollars in fines."


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Seems kind of silly to get such traffic stops. No seat belt. Duh.

I wonder why he was stopped so often?

I know the city I lived in MN , the LE had a list that was called the puke list.

I wonder if such lists exist still? An easy stop with a person who is no problem but will have a violation.

 

[anonypotomous]

Clearly, he had it coming.

Sarcasm


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That's not what I was implying, I hope you didn't read it as such.


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[Cannonball3804]

That's not what I was implying, I hope you didn't read it as such.


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Obviously I did. So what exactly did you mean?


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[anonypotomous]

Obviously I did. So what exactly did you mean?


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That the amount of stops seems pretty ridiculous and unnecessary.


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[DexterMorgan]

Please be careful as this could easily become a vacation thread.

So please don't take offense of someones views by starting an ongoing thing.

So simply state your own comment without directly replying to someone for disagreement purposes. Jmo.

Agree to disagree and move on. Jmo.

 

[perfectingpink]

Protesters Shut Down Interstate 94 Near Downtown St. Paul

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/protesters-shut-interstate-94-downtown-st-paul-40468443

 

[Jen Darme]

A retired police chief on the intersectionality of race and policing:

... Donald Grady II, who served as chief in Santa Fe, New Mexico, among other cities, and also trained police forces abroad in managing racial and ethnic strife among the ranks and with civilians. His 36 years on the force, as a black American, were marked by some familiar tensions and themes—racial targeting, police brutality, unwarranted hostility, lack of cooperation, and mutual paranoia. In a candid and expansive conversation, Grady unpacked for me some of the complexities of wearing a blue uniform while living in brown skin.

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Grady: Minorities are not making it up that police are not responsive to their communities, that police are overly aggressive when they&#8217;re dealing with minorities. That&#8217;s not an illusion on the part of minority communities. That&#8217;s real. As a police chief, I have been stopped numerous times by police officers claiming that there was some violation with my car until they realized that I&#8217;m just a law-abiding citizen. I don&#8217;t identify myself as a cop when I&#8217;m in those circumstances, I just let them do what they are going to do. And like so many other African Americans I just say &#8220;yes, sir,&#8221; &#8220;no, sir&#8221; and let it go at that. But after a while you get tired of being stopped for doing nothing. After a while, even as a police chief, you get really tired of being put upon. There&#8217;s a thing that we call freedom of movement which is really revered in this country&#8212;that we should have the right to move freely without impingement from the police simply because.

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Grady: The conversation I had to have with my son is the same conversation most black and minority parents have to have with their children. You have to understand that you have to interact differently with people&#8212;not just police officers, but with non-minority people&#8212;than most people that you would interact with. What he sees his friends do, he can&#8217;t necessarily do. And sometimes it doesn&#8217;t work.


Grady: A clear example is what happened with Philando Castile in Minnesota. You can comply, you can do everything they tell you to do, you can do everything you&#8217;re asked, and there&#8217;s no guarantee that you&#8217;ll still come out okay.​

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/07/black-police-chief-on-the-dallas-attacks/490496/

 

[Jax49]

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/10/us/black-lives-matter-protests/

Tensions flared up in Minnesota as throngs took to the streets nationwide in another night of protests against the police shootings of two black men in Louisiana and Minnesota.
While many of the demonstrations nationwide remained peaceful, scuffles broke out overnight Saturday in St. Paul, Minnesota, where protesters clashed with police on Interstate 94.

At least five officers were injured

 

[al66pine]

"... In [5 specified MN cities], blacks were stopped about 310 percent more often than expected..." bbm That was the conclusion of a study published in 2003, ref'ed in recent Wapo* & other articles.

I'd like to read the study itself and found MSM article from 2003** but have not found the study in its entirety. The second link below quotes Myron Orfield, director of the Institute on Race and Poverty at the University of Minnesota, and Gavin Kearney. Also says the analysis was released by Council on Crime and Justice and the Institute on Race and Poverty.

Anyone been successful w this? Thx in adv.

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* https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/stopped-52-times-by-police-was-it-racial-profiling/2016/07/09/81fe882a-4595-11e6-a76d-3550dba926ac_story.html. July 9

** http://news.minnesota.publicradio.org/features/2003/09/24_williamsb_profilingreport/

 

[Elley Mae]

"... In [5 specified MN cities], blacks were stopped about 310 percent more often than expected..." bbm That was the conclusion of a study published in 2003, ref'ed in recent Wapo* & other articles.

I'd like to read the study itself and found MSM article from 2003** but have not found the study in its entirety. The second link below quotes Myron Orfield, director of the Institute on Race and Poverty at the University of Minnesota, and Gavin Kearney. Also says the analysis was released by Council on Crime and Justice and the Institute on Race and Poverty.

Anyone been successful w this? Thx in adv.

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* https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/stopped-52-times-by-police-was-it-racial-profiling/2016/07/09/81fe882a-4595-11e6-a76d-3550dba926ac_story.html. July 9

** http://news.minnesota.publicradio.org/features/2003/09/24_williamsb_profilingreport/

Found these, not sure if it's what your looking for.

http://news.minnesota.publicradio.org/features/2003/09/24_williamsb_profilingreport/

https://www.leg.state.mn.us/docs/20...ications/PressReleaseRacialProfilingStudy.htm

http://hup.umn.edu/docs/DetectingRacialProfiling.pdf

 

[Cannonball3804]

You should not be reaching for anything if police stops you until asked.

"Always be polite during traffic stops, even if the officer is aggressive. You have little to lose by being polite and a lot to lose by being belligerent. Roll down your window, turn off the engine and place your hands on the steering wheel. If it is night time, turn on your interior light. Do not reach for documentation: officers are trained to spot driver's reaching for hidden items, or stashing items, and it is likely an officer may misinterpret your actions. You might be reaching for your registration, but for all the officer knows, you're reaching for a gun."

http://traffic.findlaw.com/traffic-stops/what-to-do-during-traffic-stops.html

https://www.yahoo.com/music/african-american-country-singer-coffey-andersons-073347823.html

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

You should not be reaching for anything if police stops you until asked.

"Always be polite during traffic stops, even if the officer is aggressive. You have little to lose by being polite and a lot to lose by being belligerent. Roll down your window, turn off the engine and place your hands on the steering wheel. If it is night time, turn on your interior light. Do not reach for documentation: officers are trained to spot driver's reaching for hidden items, or stashing items, and it is likely an officer may misinterpret your actions. You might be reaching for your registration, but for all the officer knows, you're reaching for a gun."

http://traffic.findlaw.com/traffic-stops/what-to-do-during-traffic-stops.html

Since I am scared s---less to be stopped by LE (yep, it doesn't fit the tag line being sold, I'm sure)....I go one step further. One step further.
What is that you (in general) might ask?
The answer is simple: I actually DRIVE my vehicle in a way that reduces my chances of being pulled over.
I don't change lanes frequently but when I do, I use my blinker well in advance. I make sure I stay within the speed limits. I try to prevent sudden stops or starts. I don't play my music loudly. I don't engage in road rage or emotional driving. I make sure signal & brake lights are working properly. I don't text & drive. I do anticipate what other drivers may do. I'm about as boring a driver as you can be! Boring equates to safe for me.

So that being said, here's one personal example: I was pulled over for singing to the radio cause the officer thought I could've been on my cellphone ($200 fine in the State). I quickly pulled over to the side with window down, radio off, hands on steering wheel when approached. The officer asked to see my cellphone. I asked the officer would he allow me to retrieve it from my purse (because I would never take my hands off the wheel without asking LE first). Once agreed, The officer scrolled & reviewed my cellphone & was able to ascertain I hadn't used it in a while.
I thanked the officer & went on my way.
Would everyone have done it the same way as me? I don't know but I know never to give LE any lip. Nope...not this lady.