MN - Philando Castile, 32, shot by police officer, 6 July 2016 #1

[barcode]

There would be absolutely no requirement for her to stay still if she's talking about PC having his gun out. The person wanting her to stay still while his gun is out is the cop. His gun was out and pointing in the car, he had already shot PC. If she would have moved while the cop's gun was out then the cop would have shot her too, seems to be what she's saying.

I can see your point but the cop never did put his gun away so there was no while, it was for the duration of her filming, speaking of which, did she say that the reason she did not start filming before he was shot was because it would be horrific (fill in correct word) for social media to see. What composure to think like that and begin your filming afterwards. Having heard her multiple times, and each time she speaks it sounds like she is trying to coordinate her answers to what she thinks the audience may want to hear.

As time goes on I am believing her less and less.

 

[bluesneakers]

Her boyfriend was murdered in front of her and her child and she broke no laws, but she's not considered a victim. Interesting.

 

[bluesneakers]

"IMO, this is another one of the many similar scams we have seen."

i wouldnt go that far, but it certainly is interesting wording.

Scam... ?

 

[asac]

I can see your point but the cop never did put his gun away so there was no while, it was for the duration of her filming, speaking of which, did she say that the reason she did not start filming before he was shot was because it would be horrific (fill in correct word) for social media to see. What composure to think like that and begin your filming afterwards. Having heard her multiple times, and each time she speaks it sounds like she is trying to coordinate her answers to what she thinks the audience may want to hear.

As time goes on I am believing her less and less.

I think you might be dissecting the word "while" a little bit too much.

In that video she said “I was not able to get the actual shooting because I did not want that horrible act to be on social media because they already tried to remove it”.

To be honest, I'm not really sure exactly what she's saying here or why she's using the word 'because'.

What don't you believe?

 

[barcode]

I think you might be dissecting the word "while" a little bit too much.

In that video she said “I was not able to get the actual shooting because I did not want that horrible act to be on social media because they already tried to remove it”.

To be honest, I'm not really sure exactly what she's saying here or why she's using the word 'because'.

What don't you believe?

Her description, He was Asian, he was short, he was black no glasses... all I can say is her lawyer better tell her to stop giving interviews and speaking because all kinds of information is being loaded up for a good attorney, she may be jeopardizing her case if she continues.

She got the no glasses part right.

 

[Rocco]

I wouldn't keep the registration in the same place as the gun, anyway. Clip it on your visor or something. When the cop asks for ID, hand him without comment your license, reg, ins, and CWP.

A lawfully obtained and carried gun is not something you should have to be on the defensive about (officer I just thought you should know, I have a gun!). Let sleeping guns lie, unless the cop asks specifically about weapons.

And then the cop might want to disarm you. Try to discourage it. Point out that the gun is on the other side in the glove box, and you have both hands on the wheel and as long as you keep them there, you think it's unnecessary and overreaching for the officer to require you to turn over your lawful property.

Think about it. It wouldn't be okay for him to get behind the wheel of your car and take it for a spin. He can't even search your vehicle without probable cause. So he shouldn't be able to take your gun property away from you for no reason other than he doesn't like you being on equal ground with him.




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Like I said, I realize I don't have to tell an officer I have a gun in my car but I prefer to. My son also has a CCP and he has been pulled over a couple of times with his gun in his car. He said when he's been pulled over, he puts his window down and then puts his hands on the steering wheel. When the officer/s approached and asked for his license and proof of insurance, he told him he would get them out but wanted to let the officer know he had a gun in the car and he would leave his hands on the steering wheel until instructed to do otherwise. In each case he was asked where the gun was, to keep his hands where the officer could see them, and to step out of the car .He's never had his gun taken away from him. Some people are all about their rights and what they don't have to do and others are about what's the safest and easiest way to handle a situation. If I was a cop, I'd appreciate someone being up front with me about having a gun in the car so it's out of courtesy that I would disclose the information even though I know I don't have to. Each to their own.

 

[jjenny]

I wouldn't keep the registration in the same place as the gun, anyway. Clip it on your visor or something. When the cop asks for ID, hand him without comment your license, reg, ins, and CWP.

A lawfully obtained and carried gun is not something you should have to be on the defensive about (officer I just thought you should know, I have a gun!). Let sleeping guns lie, unless the cop asks specifically about weapons.

And then the cop might want to disarm you. Try to discourage it. Point out that the gun is on the other side in the glove box, and you have both hands on the wheel and as long as you keep them there, you think it's unnecessary and overreaching for the officer to require you to turn over your lawful property.

Think about it. It wouldn't be okay for him to get behind the wheel of your car and take it for a spin. He can't even search your vehicle without probable cause. So he shouldn't be able to take your gun property away from you for no reason other than he doesn't like you being on equal ground with him.


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If you had taken a concealed weapon training, you would know that you are trained to tell police upfront that you have a weapon in the car. When police approach the car, you should be sitting in the car with your hands visible on the steering wheel, at which time you inform police that you have a weapon in the car. Not digging for your license somewhere. You hands should be visible.

 

[Rocco]

If you had taken a concealed weapon training, you would know that you are trained to tell police upfront that you have a weapon in the car. When police approach the car, you should be sitting in the car with your hands visible on the steering wheel, at which time you inform police that you have a weapon in the car. Not digging for your license somewhere. You hands should be visible.

Depends on which state you live in. In my state, when I had my training, I was instructed that I did not have to tell the officer I had a gun in the car-----but I would anyway if I was pulled over. Same is true in Minnesota where this happened. You do not have to disclose that you have a gun in the car if you have a CCP.

Here's the link. Clicking on a state will tell you if you have to disclose you have a gun or not. (very top of page)

www.handgunlaw.us

 

[asac]

Her description, He was Asian, he was short, he was black no glasses... all I can say is her lawyer better tell her to stop giving interviews and speaking because all kinds of information is being loaded up for a good attorney, she may be jeopardizing her case if she continues.

She got the no glasses part right.

There's no question over his identity. In the one photo of him that I've seen, he does look a little Asian. How tall is he? I'm not sure when she said he was black.

Do we know if there's dashcam yet?

 

[jjenny]

Depends on which state you live in. In my state, when I had my training, I was instructed that I did not have to tell the officer I had a gun in the car-----but I would anyway if I was pulled over. Same is true in Minnesota where this happened. You do not have to disclose that you have a gun in the car if you have a CCP.

Here's the link. Clicking on a state will tell you if you have to disclose you have a gun or not. (very top of page)

www.handgunlaw.us

In my state, police must be informed.

 

[barcode]

There's no question over his identity. In the one photo of him that I've seen, he does look a little Asian. How tall is he? I'm not sure when she said he was black.

Do we know if there's dashcam yet?

What I put in bold she said verbatim at the same time, it is back 2 pages and is in the first video at about the 5 minute mark.

 

[Rocco]

In my state, police must be informed.

I actually think that's a good policy. I can't see any downside to that.

 

[asac]

What I put in bold she said verbatim at the same time, it is back 2 pages and is in the first video at about the 5 minute mark.

Does she think he's mixed-race?

 

[Rocco]

the gun was in a holster in his pants, the officer claims he saw it ("it was displayed"), she has said that he was struggling to get his wallet out, the officer claims he told him to stop reaching and show his hands...

how many times did he tell him to show his hands and stop reaching? and over what amount of time? i dont know... i dont think anyone else does either. could the officer have though he was reaching for the gun? was he reaching for the gun? i dont know... i dont think anyone else does either.

She has stated he was shot while struggling to get his wallet out and she has also stated he was shot while his hands were in the air. I think she's so traumatized by what happened, she's not thinking before she speaks. She should really stop giving interviews.

http://kdvr.com/2016/07/07/woman-wh...do-castile-was-shot-5-times-had-hands-in-air/

 

[Dionysia]

Yanez may be Filipino.

 

[al66pine]

.... "If I have a permit to carry a pistol do I have to conceal the pistol? No. Minnesota’s Personal Protection Act is a permit to carry law, not a conceal and carry law. The pistol does not need to be concealed, but can be concealed." https://dps.mn.gov/divisions/bca/bca-divisions/administrative/pages/permit-to-carry-faq.aspx ....

^sbm Everyday Grace - Thanks for above informative quote & link. Good source & relevant to this thread about MN law & event, more so than posts about other states' laws or what ppl think they are. No snarc, no sarc. TYVM.

I've read county or st officials contacted by MSM re permit did not verify if Mr C had a carry permit. Sorry, no link. Any further info from co or st officials on this?

IDK whether Mr C did or did not have a MN carry permit. If no carry permit, then a handgun in his pocket, in pants waistband, etc. (if that's where it was) would not have been a lawful method of carry, per below.*

Another point: per below,** if asked by LEO, person must disclose whether carrying a firearm.

Lastly per below,*** when carrying handgun and if asked by LEO, a person must display carry permit and valid DL, st ID, or govt issued photo ID. Based on his citations list, doubting if he had MN DL. May or may not have other acceptable ID. IDK

Overall pic imo: since 2002 Mr C has not been attentive to 'details' like valid DL, auto ins, selt belt usage, complying w traffic laws, etc. Not saying that merits being shot by LEO. Just wondering if he had carry permit.

Was Mr C complying w officer's requests for DL, etc., or was he drawing gun? IDK. Awaiting more facts.


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* "How can I legally transport a firearm from one place to another without obtaining a permit to carry?
Transporting firearms without a permit requires the person to have the firearm unloaded and fully enclosed in a case made to contain a firearm. For full details on transporting firearms, refer to Minnesota Statute 97B.045, Transportation of Firearms."* bbm
https://dps.mn.gov/divisions/bca/bca-divisions/administrative/pages/permit-to-carry-faq.aspx
The MN statute itself:
"Subdivision 1. Restrictions. A person may not transport a firearm in a motor vehicle unless the firearm is:
(1) unloaded and in a gun case expressly made to contain a firearm, and the case fully encloses the firearm by being zipped, snapped, buckled, tied, or otherwise fastened, and without any portion of the firearm exposed;
(2) unloaded and in the closed trunk of a motor vehicle; or
(3) a handgun carried in compliance with sections 624.714 and 624.715." <---refers to ppl w carry permit, & to antique guns. bbm
Also MN requires training before issuing carry permit.
"What are the requirements for getting a permit to carry? ...

• Must provide certificate of completed authorized firearms training. Training by a certified instructor must be completed within one year of an original or renewal application. (624.714, Subd. 2a)...."

** "Do I have to disclose to a peace officer that I am a permit holder and carrying a firearm?
Yes, upon request of a peace officer, a permit holder must disclose to the officer whether or not the permit holder is currently carrying a firearm."

*** "Do I need to have my permit with me when carrying my pistol? Yes, the permit holder must have the permit card and a valid driver&#8217;s license, state identification card, or other government-issued photo identification in immediate possession at all times when carrying a pistol and must display the permit card and identification document when requested by a peace officer." bbm

 

[bluesneakers]

^sbm Everyday Grace - Thanks for above informative quote & link. Good source & relevant to this thread about MN law & event, more so than posts about other states' laws or what ppl think they are. No snarc, no sarc. TYVM.

I've read county or st officials contacted by MSM re permit did not verify if Mr C had a carry permit. Sorry, no link. Any further info from co or st officials on this?

IDK whether Mr C did or did not have a MN carry permit. If no carry permit, then a handgun in his pocket, in pants waistband, etc. (if that's where it was) would not have been a lawful method of carry, per below.*

Another point: per below,** if asked by LEO, person must disclose whether carrying a firearm.

Lastly per below,*** when carrying handgun and if asked by LEO, a person must display carry permit and valid DL, st ID, or govt issued photo ID. Based on his citations list, doubting if he had MN DL. May or may not have other acceptable ID. IDK

Overall pic imo: since 2002 Mr C has not been attentive to 'details' like valid DL, auto ins, selt belt usage, complying w traffic laws, etc. Not saying that merits being shot by LEO. Just wondering if he had carry permit.

Was Mr C complying w officer's requests for DL, etc., or was he drawing gun? IDK. Awaiting more facts.


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* "How can I legally transport a firearm from one place to another without obtaining a permit to carry?
Transporting firearms without a permit requires the person to have the firearm unloaded and fully enclosed in a case made to contain a firearm. For full details on transporting firearms, refer to Minnesota Statute 97B.045, Transportation of Firearms."* bbm
https://dps.mn.gov/divisions/bca/bca-divisions/administrative/pages/permit-to-carry-faq.aspx
The MN statute itself:
"Subdivision 1. Restrictions. A person may not transport a firearm in a motor vehicle unless the firearm is:
(1) unloaded and in a gun case expressly made to contain a firearm, and the case fully encloses the firearm by being zipped, snapped, buckled, tied, or otherwise fastened, and without any portion of the firearm exposed;
(2) unloaded and in the closed trunk of a motor vehicle; or
(3) a handgun carried in compliance with sections 624.714 and 624.715." <---refers to ppl w carry permit, & to antique guns. bbm
Also MN requires training before issuing carry permit.
"What are the requirements for getting a permit to carry? ...

• Must provide certificate of completed authorized firearms training. Training by a certified instructor must be completed within one year of an original or renewal application. (624.714, Subd. 2a)...."

** "Do I have to disclose to a peace officer that I am a permit holder and carrying a firearm?
Yes, upon request of a peace officer, a permit holder must disclose to the officer whether or not the permit holder is currently carrying a firearm."

*** "Do I need to have my permit with me when carrying my pistol? Yes, the permit holder must have the permit card and a valid driver&#8217;s license, state identification card, or other government-issued photo identification in immediate possession at all times when carrying a pistol and must display the permit card and identification document when requested by a peace officer." bbm

Philando Castile had permit to carry gun
Philando Castile had a valid permit to carry a gun when he was shot and killed by a St. Anthony police officer, a source confirmed to the Star Tribune Friday.

 

[MzOpinion8d]

But we have no idea how he handled the situation before.

Well, he never ended up dead before, so whatever he did must have worked up til now.

 

[MzOpinion8d]

Her boyfriend was murdered in front of her and her child and she broke no laws, but she's not considered a victim. Interesting.

Nope, but she can be considered to be a greedy, scamming liar, apparently. I mean, clearly she was only thinking of becoming famous for her FB video, no way she could have been broadcasting it because she was scared to death, in shock, traumatized, and terrified she'd be shot next.

 

[Leilei]

the gun was in a holster in his pants, the officer claims he saw it ("it was displayed"), she has said that he was struggling to get his wallet out, the officer claims he told him to stop reaching and show his hands...

how many times did he tell him to show his hands and stop reaching? and over what amount of time? i dont know... i dont think anyone else does either. could the officer have though he was reaching for the gun? was he reaching for the gun? i dont know... i dont think anyone else does either.

According to the Star Tribune article above, it was 103 seconds between the officer calling in his intention to stop the car, and his calling in the shooting.

Unless the victim was flat out pointing his gun at the officer, I see zero reason to shoot him multiple times within that extremely short amount of time.