MN - Philando Castile, 32, shot by police officer, 6 July 2016 #1

[human]

As for why the t shirts are offensive

insider.foxnews.com/2016/07/12/chicago-blm-activist-we-need-abolish-police

They want to abolish the police. I find that to be an extremely dangerous statement and as a cop beyond offensive particularly in the current climate.

I like how some people point out that when a person who is black speaks, the person is held up as the voice of all blacks.

White people get to have multiple voices and are not touted as the voice of white America. One person spoke and said there needs to be more money. Can't run police on a shoe string budget.

The woman who spoke about abolishing police talked about a community method.

I have retired to a foreign country and they have a local force that deals with issues between people , thefts, Not sure what else. They are there to smoothe the waters, but it is sometimes difficult as everyone is related to everyone.

There used to be a man who was to be called to handle disputes but no money for that.

There is the military police who handle big crimes. Not sure who to call or why. The idea the BLM matters woman proposes is not that wild. I imagine there are examples of this model in other places.

 

[Rocco]

Finally LE is speaking! http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/13/us/police-shootings-investigations/

The authors of that article must be doing their own kind of math. They claim he was pulled over more than 52 times since 2002. If he gets pulled over and cited for speeding, no insurance, no driver's license, and not wearing a seat belt, that's ONE stop, not four. In 2016 he only had parking violations. That doesn't count as getting pulled over. Pretty sure they didn't see his car parked in a no parking zone, run his plate, find out he was black, and decided to cite him because they were racially profiling. According to the court records, he had only been pulled over twice in the past 5 years. Oh well, why let facts get in the way of a sensational story.

 

[human]

As for why the t shirts are offensive

insider.foxnews.com/2016/07/12/chicago-blm-activist-we-need-abolish-police

They want to abolish the police. I find that to be an extremely dangerous statement and as a cop beyond offensive particularly in the current climate.

Here is a very interesting article. One of the things is to not have so many criminal laws. The traffic stops by LE seem like the most dangerous aside from domestic violence incidences.

Perhaps there has to be a different way of doing traffic stops.

https://mic.com/articles/121572/15-...-right-now-to-end-police-brutality#.SagnZGbR8

 

[Gardenista]

Here are some high res photos of the exterior of the car and the scene after Mr. Castile had been taken to the hospital

https://www.flickr.com/photos/diversey/27537803563/in/photostream/

 

[human]

Here are some high res photos of the exterior of the car and the scene after Mr. Castile had been taken to the hospital

https://www.flickr.com/photos/diversey/27537803563/in/photostream/

The whole thing is so sad.

 

[galiuro]

The Lynx want to abolish police?

Black Lives Matter want to abolish police so putting them on the same shirt as the Dallas police shield, yes offensive...

 

[galiuro]

I like how some people point out that when a person who is black speaks, the person is held up as the voice of all blacks.

White people get to have multiple voices and are not touted as the voice of white America. One person spoke and said there needs to be more money. Can't run police on a shoe string budget.

The woman who spoke about abolishing police talked about a community method.

I have retired to a foreign country and they have a local force that deals with issues between people , thefts, Not sure what else. They are there to smoothe the waters, but it is sometimes difficult as everyone is related to everyone.

There used to be a man who was to be called to handle disputes but no money for that.

There is the military police who handle big crimes. Not sure who to call or why. The idea the BLM matters woman proposes is not that wild. I imagine there are examples of this model in other places.

She's an attorney who has represented BLM in the past...about as close to official as one is going to get.

This is about the USA not a foreign country. We have an armed and obviously dangerous population. That is not going to change overnight. You abolish the police here, what are you going to replace them with? Armed vigilantes?

We are not a nation without laws. Laws require enforcement.

 

[galiuro]

As for traffic stops, so crime should just be allowed to happen? Okay...

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

Here is a very interesting article. One of the things is to not have so many criminal laws. The traffic stops by LE seem like the most dangerous aside from domestic violence incidences.

Perhaps there has to be a different way of doing traffic stops.

https://mic.com/articles/121572/15-...-right-now-to-end-police-brutality#.SagnZGbR8

rbbm

No surprise there. Of course criminals want fewer laws.

 

[Trino]

Chicago activist who wants to abolish the police stated the police began as a slave patrol. What? In 1838, the city of Boston established the first American police force.
http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/07/12/chicago-blm-activist-we-need-abolish-police

 

[human]

rbbm

No surprise there. Of course criminals want fewer laws.

The article says to decriminalize things such as expired plates and other non violent types of issues.The article says the police spend the majority of the time on things like that and then that eats into the time for real criminal activities. What is the problem with that idea?

 

[human]

As for traffic stops, so crime should just be allowed to happen? Okay...

Is it worth an officer's life! Is it worth it for them to have to check in every few minutes to say they are alive on a traffic stop? I like the idea of sending a ticket through the mail after a plate has a photo taken of it. If you lend your car to an irresponsible person, oh well.

If the driver seems to be of concern, wait for back up

 

[human]

She's an attorney who has represented BLM in the past...about as close to official as one is going to get.

This is about the USA not a foreign country. We have an armed and obviously dangerous population. That is not going to change overnight. You abolish the police here, what are you going to replace them with? Armed vigilantes?

We are not a nation without laws. Laws require enforcement.

Lots of issues can be solved with a different approach. The US is not the only country in the world although it sure is far more armed than the other first world nations, Why reinvent the wheel? No learning from anyone else? All kinds of groups meet internationally. Maybe even the police do.

 

[barcode]

It is unclear what happened here, appears not to be a police involved shooting but again streamed live on FB.

Have not watched whole video yet but streaming was live before the shooting occured and it looks like they were ambushed, not sure by who because camera went to ground immediately.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/14/us/another-night-another-shooting-on-facebook-live.html

 

[human]

Chicago activist who wants to abolish the police stated the police began as a slave patrol. What? In 1838, the city of Boston established the first American police force.
http://insider.foxnews.com/2016/07/12/chicago-blm-activist-we-need-abolish-police

Here is some info which supports that.
http://plsonline.eku.edu/insidelook/brief-history-slavery-and-origins-american-policing

 

[galiuro]

People that will shoot a cop at a traffic stop are not likely to limit their violence to police only...so your solution is to simply let them go about their crimes without any sort of hindrance. Not a country I want to live in.

 

[galiuro]

Lots of issues can be solved with a different approach. The US is not the only country in the world although it sure is far more armed than the other first world nations, Why reinvent the wheel? No learning from anyone else? All kinds of groups meet internationally. Maybe even the police do.

Because our wheel is obviously quite different from yours...I am not going any further with this conversation. Abolishing police is a not something I would vote for and I would say the majority of Americans as well. So continue to pound on that point BLM and see how far you get.

 

[LonghornSpeakEasy]

Here is some info which supports that.
http://plsonline.eku.edu/insidelook/brief-history-slavery-and-origins-american-policing

And here is some information that shows that "slave patrols," etc. we're only a part of the history of policing in this county and to state that the current form of our police departments arose from slave patrols is disengenious at best.

http://http://www.nleomf.org/museum/news/newsletters/online-insider/2012/April-2012/early-days-american-law-enforcement-april-2012.html

 

[human]

People that will shoot a cop at a traffic stop are not likely to limit their violence to police only...so your solution is to simply let them go about their crimes without any sort of hindrance. Not a country I want to live in.

So you feel putting LE in harm's way is the only solution to a traffic stop? No other ideas ?

 

[steelman]

I watched this video right after it happened and it was unedited. There have been many of these police shootings caught on camera where I was able to understand why the cops may have done what they did. Not this one. I think this cop is in BIG trouble. 4 shots into a guy that was simply reaching for his wallet ?? I can understand shots being fired when an officer is actually physically fighting with a person in hand to hand combat, but not in a case like this where the motorist is sitting still and simply following orders as he was directed.

Now, to play devils advocate. It's possible that when the officer asked him to get his license and registration out, the victim mumbled something about having a concealed carry permit or possibly said it incoherently and the officer didn't actually hear what he said. When the victim twisted around to get his wallet, the officer was able to see the butt of his pistol, and that's what set everything into motion. Normally, when it is made aware to an officer that a person has a weapon in the car, legally or not, there is a certain protocol that goes into affect until the weapon is located and secured. Asking for the guys license and registration would have been the last thing on the list if the officer had known he was armed.

I'll bet this is going to boil down to the officer involved claiming that yes, the victim did say something to him, but he didn't understand what he said. When the victim twisted around in his seat, not only was the pistol visible but he was apparently reaching towards it as well, that's when all hell broke loose.

If what the victim said was clear and concise, then this appears to be a trigger happy cop that is pretty much afraid of his own shadow.