MN -- woman shot in face and killed by ICE, Minneapolis, 7 Jan 2026

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  • #1,741
Anyway i won't comment anymore but it's sad that people are thinking an ICE staff can do no wrong but other people are fallible.
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  • #1,742
And if the gun went off because he was jolted, yet was able to shoot through the windshield, that means he had the gun drawn and pointed in that direction.

And if the publicly-accused ICE worker was jolted, his co-worker who was trying to get into the driver's door might have been killed by the errant shot. That co-worker was just to the right of where the first bullet went through the front windscreen.

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  • #1,743
I'm seeing videos on CNN showing the Agent's own vehicle being able to drive behind her, along with other vehicles. Why, then, did he need to stop it, walk up to her and antagonize her? Why did his weapon need to be drawn? Why did he need to shoot her to death? He could've kept on driving out of the neighborhood.

I'm agreeing with others that these agents want escalation, at least based on this situation and it's very sad that certain individuals in power are egging that on.
Yes all they had to do was say "Move along please, ma'am"
 
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  • #1,745
Moo..none of the shooters co workers went to check if he was injured by the auto, he didn't even drop his phone. His co workers walked away from him...moo
 
  • #1,746
That’s an emotional distortion of what happened from my perspective. This isn’t about being fine with killing, dancing or personality. She was interfering in a federal operation (like it or not, they are doing their jobs), parked her car perpendicular in the darn road, she refused commands, she backed up, again she’s being told to get out of the car, she backs up, then accelerates, a four thousand pound moving vehicle coming at the agent, her vehicle then made contact with the agent. In that split second it became a perceived lethal threat assessment. Multiple shots are fired because officers are trained to shoot until the threat stops. There is no rule that one shot is enough. His aim was deliberate and targeted.

It’s incredibly sad that Ms. Good* has been killed. It is. I’m also relieved this agent was not injured. He was doing his job.

Si now what. This could be a civil case, that I strongly believe goes no where. Perhaps criminal charges, again that I believe goes no where.

Tennessee vs Gardner is the standard that likely rules in favor of the agent.

All my opinion

Edited: *name spelling correction
She didn't refuse commands, though. She started moving like the other officers asked her to, waiting until the cars she wove around had passed. But then the pickup officers drove up shouting something completely different. They wanted to drag her out of her car. And what then, beat her up too?

The agent filming/shooting was doing his job piss poorly - that cannot be disputed.
 
  • #1,747
LE authority does not turn off because someone is a US citizen, a mother, unarmed in the sense of not holding a gun. A moving 4000 pound vehicle used against an officer is a deadly weapon . His job in that moment was not immigration enforcement , it was self defense. IMO
A vehicle moving with a snail pace and trying to turn around. Two steps back and he would be safe. Also, the LE rules were quoted in this thread multiple times. Shooting the driver of a running car is a big no-no, because it does not magically stop the car, as we saw in this case. The ICE agent broke multiple rules here. Also, he was later literally chasing the car as it moved away, and shooting into it. How's that a self defence?

MOO
 
  • #1,748
Probably the gun went off because the officer was Jolted when he got run into. And he was a part of the group taking part in detaining the... persons of interest.
The gun went off clearly when he fired at her from point blank range. As did the second and third shots. He even leaned in for those kill shots.
 
  • #1,749
It's very telling to me that the leaked cell phone video (whether by Ross himself as suspected or someone else) that in thinking it would exonerate him, they didn't cut out the f*ng b*ch comment.

That somehow calling her an f*ing b*ch draws people to your side.
 
  • #1,750
I would be very interested to know if the first shot through the front windscreen was a killing shot. Or if it missed Renee. Or if it non-fatally injured Renee.

Because, to me, it seems inarguable that the 2nd shot and 3rd shot through the driver's side window (at very close range) were fired with deliberate intent to kill.

Perhaps if those two shots were not fired, Renee would be alive today.

imo

With his time with ICE, he can perfectly well see that she was a US citizen.

For ice to engage with legal US citizen makers as much sense as, for example, for TSA to chase illegal immigrants on highways. Different organizations. Different "target groups". He went onto the police's area of expertise, to think of.
 
  • #1,751
With his time with ICE, he can perfectly well see that she was a US citizen.

For ice to engage with legal US citizen makers as much sense as, for example, for TSA to chase illegal immigrants on highways. Different organizations. Different "target groups". He went onto the police's area of expertise, to think of.

How can he see that she is a US citizen? Because she is white and speaking English with no accent? That really doesn't mean much. Skin color, language spoken or accent have nothing to do with legal citizenship. But then it didn't seem like anyone was disputing her citizenship. She was blocking the road, obstructing a law enforcement operation. That's why they approached and instructed her to exit her vehicle.
 
  • #1,752
this case will never go to trail (IMO) and there is no way the FBI will even look into it. But on the very very off chance that it will he will be pardoned in the blink of an eye.
Hence the obstruction of the state investigation. Mr Trump can only pardon people for federal crimes, not state ones.
 
  • #1,753
She was blocking the road, obstructing a law enforcement operation. That's why they approached and instructed her to exit her vehicle.

That's still no reason to shot her almost point blank in her face. Well, in anything.
 
  • #1,754
Moo..none of the shooters co workers went to check if he was injured by the auto, he didn't even drop his phone. His co workers walked away from him...moo

And then he walked off to where Renee's vehicle had crashed. Took a look inside, and walked back ... saying "Call 911" (presumably to other ICE workers) and giving the 'wrap it up' hand sign.


This is him part way through the 'wrap it up' command, as he walks back. This bystander got some good footage of him.
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(from the video in this link)
 
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  • #1,756
That's still no reason to shot her almost point blank in her face. Well, in anything.

Of course she didn't deserve to be shot. I think it was an overreaction from the ICE agents and I'm sure if this was a regular traffic stop that didn't involve ICE this would be a much more cut and dry issue.

The question i will always have is why put yourself in the middle of a situation like that. Protest from a distance. Observe from a distance.

I don't know if people think that by getting in the agent's faces filming, heckling them and blocking roads is going to make them cease operations, but if so that is delusional. These are law enforcement actions that have been sanctioned by the US Government to occur. Nobody is going to stop what is happening by being an agitator.
 
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  • #1,758
He wasn't in any jeopardy when he fired two bullets at Renee through the driver's side window.
You gotta finish what you started, I guess? Sounds like great training. I would feel very safe with guys like this on the streets keeping my country secure.
 
  • #1,759
Perhaps. But, their job, ostensibly, is to apprehend criminal immigrants - not to shoot unarmed, American mothers in the face. IMHO.
Job creep
 
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