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Anyway i won't comment anymore but it's sad that people are thinking an ICE staff can do no wrong but other people are fallible.
Anyway i won't comment anymore but it's sad that people are thinking an ICE staff can do no wrong but other people are fallible.
And if the gun went off because he was jolted, yet was able to shoot through the windshield, that means he had the gun drawn and pointed in that direction.
Yes all they had to do was say "Move along please, ma'am"I'm seeing videos on CNN showing the Agent's own vehicle being able to drive behind her, along with other vehicles. Why, then, did he need to stop it, walk up to her and antagonize her? Why did his weapon need to be drawn? Why did he need to shoot her to death? He could've kept on driving out of the neighborhood.
I'm agreeing with others that these agents want escalation, at least based on this situation and it's very sad that certain individuals in power are egging that on.
Jonathan Ross opposed to government overreach"Neighbors said that Jonathan Ross is “a hardcore MAGA supporter,” with one noting that they’d seen Trump stickers and a “Don’t Tread On Me” flag — often associated with opposition to government overreach — outside his home." Father of ICE agent who shot Renee Good breaks silence over killing
She didn't refuse commands, though. She started moving like the other officers asked her to, waiting until the cars she wove around had passed. But then the pickup officers drove up shouting something completely different. They wanted to drag her out of her car. And what then, beat her up too?That’s an emotional distortion of what happened from my perspective. This isn’t about being fine with killing, dancing or personality. She was interfering in a federal operation (like it or not, they are doing their jobs), parked her car perpendicular in the darn road, she refused commands, she backed up, again she’s being told to get out of the car, she backs up, then accelerates, a four thousand pound moving vehicle coming at the agent, her vehicle then made contact with the agent. In that split second it became a perceived lethal threat assessment. Multiple shots are fired because officers are trained to shoot until the threat stops. There is no rule that one shot is enough. His aim was deliberate and targeted.
It’s incredibly sad that Ms. Good* has been killed. It is. I’m also relieved this agent was not injured. He was doing his job.
Si now what. This could be a civil case, that I strongly believe goes no where. Perhaps criminal charges, again that I believe goes no where.
Tennessee vs Gardner is the standard that likely rules in favor of the agent.
All my opinion
Edited: *name spelling correction
A vehicle moving with a snail pace and trying to turn around. Two steps back and he would be safe. Also, the LE rules were quoted in this thread multiple times. Shooting the driver of a running car is a big no-no, because it does not magically stop the car, as we saw in this case. The ICE agent broke multiple rules here. Also, he was later literally chasing the car as it moved away, and shooting into it. How's that a self defence?LE authority does not turn off because someone is a US citizen, a mother, unarmed in the sense of not holding a gun. A moving 4000 pound vehicle used against an officer is a deadly weapon . His job in that moment was not immigration enforcement , it was self defense. IMO
The gun went off clearly when he fired at her from point blank range. As did the second and third shots. He even leaned in for those kill shots.Probably the gun went off because the officer was Jolted when he got run into. And he was a part of the group taking part in detaining the... persons of interest.
I would be very interested to know if the first shot through the front windscreen was a killing shot. Or if it missed Renee. Or if it non-fatally injured Renee.
Because, to me, it seems inarguable that the 2nd shot and 3rd shot through the driver's side window (at very close range) were fired with deliberate intent to kill.
Perhaps if those two shots were not fired, Renee would be alive today.
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With his time with ICE, he can perfectly well see that she was a US citizen.
For ice to engage with legal US citizen makers as much sense as, for example, for TSA to chase illegal immigrants on highways. Different organizations. Different "target groups". He went onto the police's area of expertise, to think of.
Hence the obstruction of the state investigation. Mr Trump can only pardon people for federal crimes, not state ones.this case will never go to trail (IMO) and there is no way the FBI will even look into it. But on the very very off chance that it will he will be pardoned in the blink of an eye.
She was blocking the road, obstructing a law enforcement operation. That's why they approached and instructed her to exit her vehicle.
Moo..none of the shooters co workers went to check if he was injured by the auto, he didn't even drop his phone. His co workers walked away from him...moo
As am IHorrified![]()
That's still no reason to shot her almost point blank in her face. Well, in anything.
Spot onThe two shots through the driver's side window were caused by his finger deliberately pulling the trigger.
You gotta finish what you started, I guess? Sounds like great training. I would feel very safe with guys like this on the streets keeping my country secure.He wasn't in any jeopardy when he fired two bullets at Renee through the driver's side window.
Job creepPerhaps. But, their job, ostensibly, is to apprehend criminal immigrants - not to shoot unarmed, American mothers in the face. IMHO.
In a nutshellIt does seem the "don't tread on me" crowd are the ones that are welcoming the imposition of a police state.