MN -- woman shot in face and killed by ICE, Minneapolis, 7 Jan 2026

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  • #1,181
Of course not, but it's important to understand what happened.

Renee had her foot on the accelerator when she was shot. There's no other explanation for the force with which she smashed into the parked car.

She was shot in the face, she could not move her foot after that shot.

It's also reasonable to believe that the officer who shot her genuinely believed that she was backing up to move her car out of the middle of the road and park on the side of the road. He shouldn't walk behind her car when she's backing up, so he walked in front of her car.

Then she switched from backing up to accelerating forward while he was in front of her car.
We will literally never know what Renee thought or what her plans were in the situation because she’s dead. We may hear from the agent if he’s actually charged with a crime and put on trial. Discussing if her foot was on the accelerator before she was shot doesn’t change the situation IMO. Before she was shot, she never had her car moving faster than 2mph. After she’s shot and dying/incapacitated, her car speeds up. Ok, what does that matter? At that point, she’s dead and the officer isn’t hurt at all. It’s very lucky that her car didn’t hit any bystanders or agents as it wasn’t being controlled by an alert and alive person. A well trained officer would know that shooting into a vehicle is never a good idea as it creates a situation where the car could become out of control and cause more damage. He made the choice to shoot her and didn’t seem to care or worry about any consequences after that. Arguing about how her foot was positioned when she’s being surrounded by masked men shouting conflicting commands at her is victim blaming. All MOO.
 
  • #1,182
It's not victim blaming to discuss how and why the vehicle accelerated after she was shot.

If her foot was on the brake, then she could not have moved her foot to the accelerator after she was shot
I don't think there's any way to say that definitely. Dying bodies often shake and convulse. Her foot could have been lifted and dropped on the accelerator when she was hit. This is completely unknowable.
 
  • #1,183
What were they thinking?

They were parked in the middle of the road and interacting with officers. When two more officers arrived and told Renee to get out of the car, why didn't she listen?

What was the point of trying to drive away? Isn't it common sense that when an officer tells us to do something, we listen ... if only because we do not want to escalate the situation?
Witnesses say that agents were giving conflicting commands. Multiple witnesses stated agents told her to leave.

“Some of them were leaving, and they just went around her, but ICE gave her orders to leave, while at the same time, another ICE person said, ‘Get out of the car,’ and he reached for her door handle. And then there was an ICE agent in front of her vehicle. So it was difficult for her to leave, as she'd been ordered to do,” Callenson said.

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Heller said she heard ICE agents telling the driver, a woman, to “get out of here.”


 
  • #1,184
No....

Resist the group trend that claims the ICE agent was never in front of her car (selective picture submitted to "prove it"), that postulates theories about the car's mechanics might require fast accelerating, that the officers approached her pointing guns, and claims that ICE agents have no authority over US citizens- thus command to get out of the car was invalid. etc.

I still don't buy that ICE has any authority here. She was not obstructing and their authority goes flat out the window when it comes to protestors.

MOO.
 
  • #1,185
Simply put, they never know when a situation will require them to draw their weapon in a defensive situation and it reduces the time needed to react to a potential threat. Whether people like that action or not, having their hand on their weapon could mean the difference between life and death. That does not excuse the officer for his actions and firing three shots yet at the same time, I don't know what he was thinking when he reacted to what he apparently took as a threat
That is ridiculous. She was doing nothing threatening that would cause him to think he in danger.
 
  • #1,186
What were they thinking?

They were parked in the middle of the road and interacting with officers. When two more officers arrived and told Renee to get out of the car, why didn't she listen?

What was the point of trying to drive away? Isn't it common sense that when an officer tells us to do something, we listen ... if only because we do not want to escalate the situation?

She was a woman who was surrounded by men wearing tactical uniforms, faces covered who were carrying firearms. Extremely intimidating. People have the right to protest and to film. Officers could have ignored her and went about their duties. The scene was chaos and how many people were yelling? She was no threat to them. It was scary af and I could see why she would try and get out of there.
 
  • #1,187
Her vehicle accelerates and slams into the parked car. It does not roll forward. The only way that could happen is that her foot was on the accelerator when she was shot.

Or (more likely), the first shot didn't hit her, but made her floor the accelerator. He was out of the way when this happened. The third and fourth shot came from the driver's side window.

MOO.
 
  • #1,188
She did not accelerate toward the officer. She backed up. He shot her before she made another move and it was only after the first shot that the car moves forward.

MOO

The footage clearly shows the vehicle moving forward before any shots are fired.
 
  • #1,189
I think people are particularly sensitive to pointing out things the victim could have done better. None of us were in her shoes. It's like when a woman gets raped and someone says "well, they were wearing a short skirt." They may not be saying "she deserved to be rape," but the resounding response is going to be SO WHAT? The point in this case is that no matter what Renee did or didn't do, the video shows very clearly that the agent was never in danger and, therefore, the murder (yes, murder) is completely unjustified. Everything else is just noise.

MO.
She did not accelerate toward the officer. She backed up. He shot her before she made another move and it was only after the first shot that the car moves forward.

MOO
Her car moved towards him before he drew his weapon. He reacted to her front tires spin on the slick pavement and the vehicle starting to move forward before he drew and fired. That movement of the vehicle played a part in what happened plain and simple. That's not me blaming her as I don't think she was trying to hit him and was trying to get herself out of the situation and I don't excuse him for doing what he did as he obviously had time to move out the way before he fired the first shot
 
  • #1,190
It's not victim blaming to discuss how and why the vehicle accelerated after she was shot.

If her foot was on the brake, then she could not have moved her foot to the accelerator after she was shot.

Her vehicle slammed into the parked car with force.

Therefore, she had her foot on the accelerator when she was shot.

The officer started walking around the front of her vehicle when she was backing up. He may have thought that she was backing up to park her car so she could obey officer orders and get out of the car.

Instead, she backed up, slightly turned her wheels to the right, and then accelerated. When she didn't move - and was spinning tires on the ice - she gave a little extra to get off the ice.

The officer, who had walked in front of her vehicle as she was backing up, was now in front of her accelerating vehicle.

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I agree that her foot was on the gas. But I think it was likely she was trying to move her car following the other orders she received. The silver pickup drives up and the guy gets out and yells at her to get the f out of the vehicle completely contradicting the other guys. I don't know what any of them were thinking of course but Ross pulled his gun out when she took the car out of reverse. He continued to move to his right, she continued to move to his left.

I honestly think the black ice on the road is the key here. If her tire hadn't have spun on it, would he have open fired?
 
  • #1,191
I resist your persistence in posting misinformation repeatedly. And victim blaming.
The ignore feature is very valuable here, I have found…
 
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What’s interesting to me is that “everyone” is so upset with what happened to this woman but those same people thought Charlie Kirk’s murder was justified. Food for thought.
I'd actually say it's the opposite. Look at what the government did in the wake of Kirk's death compared to how they're acting now. Jmo.
 
  • #1,194
It's not victim blaming to discuss how and why the vehicle accelerated after she was shot.

If her foot was on the brake, then she could not have moved her foot to the accelerator after she was shot.

Where did you get that idea? If she was shot and not instantly killed, she absolutely could have floored it to escape the scene. Gunshot victims aren't all paralyzed or killed with the first shot. Some don't even realize they've been shot. That's especially true in this case because she was shot more than once and we have no idea which bullets hit/killed her and where they hit.

Her vehicle slammed into the parked car with force.

Therefore, she had her foot on the accelerator when she was shot.

Faulty reasoning. See above.

The officer started walking around the front of her vehicle when she was backing up. He may have thought that she was backing up to park her car so she could obey officer orders and get out of the car.

Instead, she backed up, slightly turned her wheels to the right, and then accelerated. When she didn't move - and was spinning tires on the ice - she gave a little extra to get off the ice.

The officer, who had walked in front of her vehicle as she was backing up, was now in front of her accelerating vehicle.

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This is just not what happened. HE fired the first shot before she moved forward. This part is MOO. The stuff above is medical science.
 
  • #1,195
I'd actually say it's the opposite. Look at what the government did in the wake of Kirk's death compared to how they're acting now. Jmo.
And that is certainly your opinion.
 
  • #1,196
I'll just say that an officer who reacts to a minimal threat with shooting someone in the face, despite being able to solve the situation without killing anyone and without aggravating the situation (yes, shooting the driver of a moving car is aggravating the situation), has no business being armed on the streets.

That so many people refuse to see a problem in an officer executing a citizen in public makes me think about that meme with yellow dog sitting in a room that is on fire. Ladies an gentlemen, it is NOT fine.

MOO 🐄 MOO
 
  • #1,197
What’s interesting to me is that “everyone” is so upset with what happened to this woman but those same people thought Charlie Kirk’s murder was justified. Food for thought.
A link or proof of that sweeping statement would be nice thanks
 
  • #1,198
What’s interesting to me is that “everyone” is so upset with what happened to this woman but those same people thought Charlie Kirk’s murder was justified. Food for thought.
I actually think the opposite. People who were very upset about Charlie Kirk being killed and talked about how no one deserves to be shot in public seem to be the ones who want to pick apart the situation and agree with the government calling this woman a domestic terrorist because she was protesting ICE. All MOO. And for the record, I think both killings are equally terrible.
 
  • #1,199
Of course not, but it's important to understand what happened.

Renee had her foot on the accelerator when she was shot. There's no other explanation for the force with which she smashed into the parked car.

She was shot in the face, she could not move her foot after that shot.

Do you have a source that says she was shot and killed by that first shot?
 
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