MO - 1-month-old girl dies when mother, Mariah Thomas, allegedly places her in oven instead of crib, mom charged - Kansas City, 9 Feb 2024

[Charlot123]

That thought crossed my mind too but only for a split second. I have severe ADHD, and there have been times when I’ve been so tired that I’ve put my laundry in the microwave instead of the washing machine. (Bizarre, I know!) BUT laundry is far from my child, and microwave doors open in a similar fashion as washing machines. Although it freaked me out at the time, I can kinda see how my exhausted brain maybe mixed up the two when I wasn’t really focused on what I was doing. That said—at no point would you place a baby in anything resembling an oven when putting them down for a nap. So, a similar logic wouldn’t apply here.

ETA: I wanted to clarify that I never turned on the microwave either. My brain eventually kicked in and said what you doing before I even closed the door.

With my ADD, I multitask, and also simultaneously process five instructions better than one. But here is what once happened between me and another person with ADHD. I gave them a stack of papers to shred and an envelope with checks to put into my purse. Two stacks, two hands. The person did exactly the opposite. So I am now thinking of conflicting tasks… let us say, holding a chicken to be put into the stove and the baby to put into the crib. Could people with certain types of ADD confuse the tasks and do exactly the opposite? ETA: would it be more typical for a person struggling with R-L hand discrimination?

 

[Charlot123]

BBM-
IMO, all of the above can be true. She could love the baby and want to be the best Mom possible. But deliberately hurt her in a moment of frustration.

One of her cash bond requirements would be "medication compliance". Was she supposed to be on meds and wasn't taking them?

I wonder if these were antiseizure medications and her noncompliance caused severe confusion.

 

[dalsglen]

I found a thread for that case soon after you posted.


But how did MT not hear Z screaming in pain? Was she so far out of it? Or, heaven forbid, was the baby unconscious or dead when placed in the oven?

she phoned the grandad to say there was something wrong with the baby right? I wonder whether the baby was cold (dead) and she placed her in the over to warm up?! I mean...

 

[investikater]

she phoned the grandad to say there was something wrong with the baby right? I wonder whether the baby was cold (dead) and she placed her in the over to warm up?! I mean...

An autopsy will be able to tell I assume?

 

[DFWNF]

So disgusting, that poor baby. Hope they lock her up.

 

[c@tw0man]

The only other thought could be that she deliberately did it to warm the baby up, leaving the oven door wide open, and thinking with her cognitive impairment and perhaps being partly drunk that it would be a kind thing to do for a brief time.

But she underestimated the heat and temperature, and perhaps passed out from drinking [it occurred on her birthday when she planned to get drunk] and came to see she’d made a horrible mistake, but didn’t want to admit that it had been deliberately done. Just speculation of course.

I am thinking the same thing, maybe she had been using the oven to heat the house, and had placed the baby to keep warm on or next to the open oven door because it was so cold in the other rooms. We have been having record low temps in the south this year.
I can remember my Mom and I huddling in front of the open oven at least a couple of times when we were snowed in, and the fuel oil truck had had to wait for the roads to be plowed before they could come to refill the tank.
We don't know those details, but I am sure her father knows what happened, and had the sense to warn her before he called 911 to ask for a lawyer and say nothing.

 

[ILikeToBendPages]

I have been speed reading and have several thoughts. Many times girls/women get pregnant by a guy that moves on and he's just a sperm donor. They don't care if the girl has emotional or mental issues.

I wonder about her remarks of no one caring about her and the baby and hadn't come around. Many times there is a lot of attention when the baby is born and comes home, but that doesn't last - friends move on with their lives and the new mother resent it.

I thought that I had read that the baby was in her crib when granddad came home and she was in her car seat by the front door when by the paramedic got there. I can see grandad trying to get her help but thinking calling paramedic would be faster.

 

[Goecke]

With my ADD, I multitask, and also simultaneously process five instructions better than one. But here is what once happened between me and another person with ADHD. I gave them a stack of papers to shred and an envelope with checks to put into my purse. Two stacks, two hands. The person did exactly the opposite. So I am now thinking of conflicting tasks… let us say, holding a chicken to be put into the stove and the baby to put into the crib. Could people with certain types of ADD confuse the tasks and do exactly the opposite? ETA: would it be more typical for a person struggling with R-L hand discrimination?

As someone with R-L discrimination issues, I'm not going to say this *doesn't* happen, but I've never experienced this personally. I also don't have ADHD, so it may be more of an ADHD thing than a R-L thing.

 

[Rosydecember]

As someone with R-L discrimination issues, I'm not going to say this *doesn't* happen, but I've never experienced this personally. I also don't have ADHD, so it may be more of an ADHD thing than a R-L thing.

Definitely ADHD vs R-L based on my personal experience… this has happened to me a couple of times - I’ll be carrying something in both hands with two different objectives and do the opposite of what I intended. MOO
I just really can’t fathom doing that though…

 

[LadyL]

the thread title says mom has been charged
anyone know what she has been charged with?

 

[investikater]

the thread title says mom has been charged
anyone know what she has been charged with?

Only endangering the welfare of a child so far

 

[investikater]

https://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article285694316.html

Bond reduced to 10000, can go home with a tracker
But prosecution didn't want and said she is a flight risk and danger

 

[Charlot123]

As someone with R-L discrimination issues, I'm not going to say this *doesn't* happen, but I've never experienced this personally. I also don't have ADHD, so it may be more of an ADHD thing than a R-L thing.

The reason I am asking is specifically in my situation, the problem was with "reversing the dominant hand - task". For me, the checks were in R (dominant) hand and that was the priority. The other person is also R-handed; I wonder if the checks ending up in their L hand (nondominant), and the unnecessary papers in the dominant one, somehow reversed the "priorities"? Just my explanation.

However, imagine a person carrying two things in two hands, one must go to the stove, the other one, to the crib. She probably holds the heavier one (the baby) in her dominant hand. If the crib is the first one on her way, she does it right, but if the stove comes first, the "priority" hand might act first. Either way, there is some disability - JMO.

 

[Laughing]

the thread title says mom has been charged
anyone know what she has been charged with?

https://www.courts.mo.gov/cnet/cases/newHeader.do?inputVO.caseNumber=2416-CR00777&inputVO.courtId=CT16

Sometimes the link doesn't copy correctly, you may need to Search with MT's name and Jackson County.

jmho ymmv lrr

 

[Knox]

Looks like her arraignment will be 3/4/24. Is that type of bond typical for a Class A felony?

 

[Goecke]

The reason I am asking is specifically in my situation, the problem was with "reversing the dominant hand - task". For me, the checks were in R (dominant) hand and that was the priority. The other person is also R-handed; I wonder if the checks ending up in their L hand (nondominant), and the unnecessary papers in the dominant one, somehow reversed the "priorities"? Just my explanation.

However, imagine a person carrying two things in two hands, one must go to the stove, the other one, to the crib. She probably holds the heavier one (the baby) in her dominant hand. If the crib is the first one on her way, she does it right, but if the stove comes first, the "priority" hand might act first. Either way, there is some disability - JMO.

Huh, that's a possibility! I'm left handed and I've noticed R/L discrimination issues seem to be more common amongst lefties.
I agree that she definitely has some sort of disability, and given that this was right around her birthday she could have been under the influence or hung over as well... Not a good combo if true.

 

[SusanDonim]

With my ADD, I multitask, and also simultaneously process five instructions better than one. But here is what once happened between me and another person with ADHD. I gave them a stack of papers to shred and an envelope with checks to put into my purse. Two stacks, two hands. The person did exactly the opposite. So I am now thinking of conflicting tasks… let us say, holding a chicken to be put into the stove and the baby to put into the crib. Could people with certain types of ADD confuse the tasks and do exactly the opposite? ETA: would it be more typical for a person struggling with R-L hand discrimination?

Sorry, but no. I have severe ADHD. and frequently put the sugar in the fridge and the milk in the cupboard. NEVER would I mix up a baby with something else. Gtf.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

At a hearing on Tuesday, Thomas had her bail reduced from $200,000 to $100,000 by Jackson County Judge Travis Willingham.

That means that Thomas could potentially be out of jail for just $10,000, as conditions of the bond require her to come up with just 10 per cent of that.

Judge Willingham apparently agreed with Thomas' attorney, who argued her client's bond should be reduced because she has no criminal history.

Missouri mom accused of baking her baby to death could be FREED

The Missouri mother accused of baking her newborn daughter to death in an oven after allegedly mistaking it for a crib could be freed after a judge cut her bail in half.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[SarahMoon]

If the oven was already preheated - how would she avoid burning herself? A baby is not supine, but floppy. It's not like shoving a casserole dish into the oven. I'm sorry to be so graphic, it's truly horrific to work through the mechanics of this subject.

"A baby is not supine, but floppy"...not sure what you mean...the definition of "supine" is that one is lying on one's back.

 

[Laughing]

"A baby is not supine, but floppy"...not sure what you mean...the definition of "supine" is that one is lying on one's back.

A baking sheet or casserole dish is solid, maintains shape & angles when moved. Easy to slide into an oven.

Have you held a month-old baby? A baby does not maintain shape & angles when moved -- unless wrapped in a blanket or swaddled.

Putting a young baby into their bath is a challenging act until you get used to the floppiness. And, in my experience, babies do NOT like their limbs flopping around & will protest with loud cries.

A baby wearing a diaper or less would be tricky to place into a small enclosed space, although of course I've never tried it.