GUILTY MO - Bobbi Jo Stinnett, 23, slain, fetus stolen, Skidmore, 16 Dec 2004

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englishleigh said:
Ok...thanks, RC. This story has just touched me beyond belief. I just told my husband I was going to send my card to the Stinnetts and I just burst into tears while talking about it. I can't stand that it's Christmas Eve and Zeb doesn't have Bobbie Jo there.
This is a tough one for us as well, not just the Missouri connection but I have many friends who are MSHP (Mo State Highway Patrol) officers and this has affected them dreadfully as well. I myself have very mixed emotions, sometimes anger, sometimes wanting to understand what would drive someone to this, but most of the time terrible sadness for a young family who will forever be devastated by this inhumanity.

I pray for little Victoria Jo that her health was indeed not affected by this butchery, I pray that Bobbie Jo's Mom will have strength and support and be able to close the scene from her eyes, and that Zeb will find beauty and peace in his daughter. I pray for the Montgomery children and hope that their community will give them strength and support. Bobbie Jo is forever safe now. I also say prayers for those that have sent donations in an effort to help these families, it is indeed a precious gift to care...I am sure your thoughtfulness and concern will be a warm gift to those in need.

For now, calm yourself with the love and presence of family and friends and remember the season, there will be peace.
 
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raisincharlie said:
This is a tough one for us as well, not just the Missouri connection but I have many friends who are MSHP (Mo State Highway Patrol) officers and this has affected them dreadfully as well. I myself have very mixed emotions, sometimes anger, sometimes wanting to understand what would drive someone to this, but most of the time terrible sadness for a young family who will forever be devastated by this inhumanity.

I pray for little Victoria Jo that her health was indeed not affected by this butchery, I pray that Bobbie Jo's Mom will have strength and support and be able to close the scene from her eyes, and that Zeb will find beauty and peace in his daughter. I pray for the Montgomery children and hope that their community will give them strength and support. Bobbie Jo is forever safe now. I also say prayers for those that have sent donations in an effort to help these families, it is indeed a precious gift to care...I am sure your thoughtfulness and concern will be a warm gift to those in need.

For now, calm yourself with the love and presence of family and friends and remember the season, there will be peace.


What a beautiful post. I feel like I know Bobbie, even though I did not, through reading her rat terrier website and looking at all the photos she took of the dogs and her running commentary about them. She seems to have been so intelligent, so sweet, and so loving. What a huge loss, and what a hole her death must leave in the two families, Stinnett and Harper.
Prayers and hugs for all who grieve for someone on this Christmas Eve.
 
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Thanks, RC!!
 
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OK I take back my recent 'sympathetic' posting of Lisa M, the more I read the more horrified I get, this is horrible, she doesn't deserve sympathy.

Whatever her issues were it was her responsibility to get help and stop the b.s... not take it to the next level.
 
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pantone11 said:
OK I take back my recent 'sympathetic' posting of Lisa M, the more I read the more horrified I get, this is horrible, she doesn't deserve sympathy.

Whatever her issues were it was her responsibility to get help and stop the b.s... not take it to the next level.
pantone11 - the more I read the more mystified I become. While I do not have the conventional form of sympathy for Mrs. Montgomery I do have a "specialized sympathy". Many people who need help do not even realize they need help. It appears Mrs. Montgomery has a long history (back to the early 1990s) of needing help - numerous claims of pregnancies after having her tubes tied. Over 14 years her thought processes may have become quite normal to her.

At this point I do not know if the choice of having her tubes tied in 1990 was her choice, her husbands choice, or for medical reasons. Without this answer I find it difficult to not carry a certain amount of "specialized sympathy". For example - if she chose of her own free will to have this proceedure then all sympathy from me is out the door - she should have gotten help IMO. Was she bullied into this decision - from what I've seen of her ex he appears to be very much a bully, I consider this a possibility as there were four children in four years. If it was a medical issue, she should have followed up with medical professionals and the help should have been there for her. From what I have read, money was in very short supply in the Montgomery household and in rural areas such as Melvern I doubt there were significant sources of help for low income individuals.

I use as an example a close friend of my wife - she needed to have a hysterectomy and kept putting it off and putting it off until it became essential. Her reason was odd to me but to women it was probably normal (this is not a sexist comment or meant to be disparaging - men don't get vasectomies or even have male dogs neutered for the same thought process) - she felt she would no longer be a "woman". When it comes to maternal instinct I think the mind can be very tricky indeed. So for now I will hold onto my "specialized sympathy" for Mrs. Montgomery.
 
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I must be an awful person, but the only "sympathy" I can muster up for Lisa Montgomery is that she didn't get the help she needed so that Bobbie Jo Stinnett would not have had to die.
Bobbie should be excitedly awaiting the birth of Victoria still, right now....putting away baby things received for Christmas...spending time with Zeb and raising her beloved puppies and dogs. Not lying cold in a grave. If Lisa had gotten help, maybe Bobbie would be alive today.
My heartfelt sympathy is with Zeb and the two families, the Stinnetts and Bobbie's family (has anyone heard what her maiden name was? Her father is Potter, but her mom and brother are Harper....I assume it was Potter...and her mom must have remarried a Harper and had Tyler in that marriage).
 
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Isn't it sad that once an event like this occurs everyone comes out from the woodwork declaring the perpetrator a complete nut, but that nothing was done beforehand? Surely we can learn to read the signs of trouble one day and look towards prevention, or is that too much to hope for?

It's sad for everybody, but my real sympathy lies with the families. Lisa was a sad specimen, but I also believe she knew that what she was working towards was pure evil.

If it was really about having another child she could have had her operation reversed, I doubt that it was. IMO the psychosis went deeper than that, maybe she got a buzz out of deceiving people...who knows? The more I read, the more her 'poor little Lisa' routine just sounds like another tool in her arsenal of manipulation.

:twocents:
 
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englishleigh said:
I must be an awful person, but the only "sympathy" I can muster up for Lisa Montgomery is that she didn't get the help she needed so that Bobbie Jo Stinnett would not have had to die.
Bobbie should be excitedly awaiting the birth of Victoria still, right now....putting away baby things received for Christmas...spending time with Zeb and raising her beloved puppies and dogs. Not lying cold in a grave. If Lisa had gotten help, maybe Bobbie would be alive today.
My heartfelt sympathy is with Zeb and the two families, the Stinnetts and Bobbie's family (has anyone heard what her maiden name was? Her father is Potter, but her mom and brother are Harper....I assume it was Potter...and her mom must have remarried a Harper and had Tyler in that marriage).
No !!! You are not an awful person. Actually you are quite right, if LM had gotten help perhaps this would have never happened.
 
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pantone11 said:
Isn't it sad that once an event like this occurs everyone comes out from the woodwork declaring the perpetrator a complete nut, but that nothing was done beforehand? Surely we can learn to read the signs of trouble one day and look towards prevention, or is that too much to hope for?

It's sad for everybody, but my real sympathy lies with the families. Lisa was a sad specimen, but I also believe she knew that what she was working towards was pure evil.

If it was really about having another child she could have had her operation reversed, I doubt that it was. IMO the psychosis went deeper than that, maybe she got a buzz out of deceiving people...who knows? The more I read, the more her 'poor little Lisa' routine just sounds like another tool in her arsenal of manipulation.

:twocents:
I have always found it amazing how many people do come out and say all kinds of things after such an event. IMO Carl Boman knew there were some deep issures with her- he divorced her twice. Now he just wants to scream she is a nut case, anger I suppose, worry for his kids, can't say I blame him. But this is obviously a guy who knew there problems and flat walked away from them letting her take his kids on top of it. I don't think too many people that knew her would ever have thought someday she would go this inhuman level. I don't think any normal person could ever think up this kind of atrocity, let alone lay it at someone else's feet before it happened.

I think LM got her buzz out of being the center of attention, if that took deception, she did it. New baby's bring lots of attention, from the spouse, friends, and family. I don't doubt that she was a manipulator, a very skilled one at that. Its possible she could have had her operation reversed, it's equally as possible there was a snow balls chance in he11 that she had the money to pay for an elective surgery.

My heartfelt sympathy's lie with the families, on both sides. For me, I'm not willing to jump into this fray on a totally emotional response alone. The motto here in Missouri is "Show Me", so far no one has. I have no right to judge this woman based on what the press has said, based on her ex husband's claims, or anyone elses for that matter. I cannot say she was just evil - if that is ever proved I will eat my words.

Until her circumstances are presented and known, any response will be based on emotion - I happen to like facts mixed in with my emotion. I prefer to go beyond guilty or not guilty, there is a bigger picture here and I darn well want to know what it is. Right now the only fact I know is she confessed to brutally killing Bobbie Jo Stinnett and taking her baby. As horrible as that fact is, there is a reason she did what she did. Whatever the reason, it will never undo the wrong she inflicted.

But I will guarantee you there is not one person on this board that can tell me what was done to her, either through the course of her life or by her own hand that lead to this horrible crime. Unless she is the devil incarnate - there is a reason that is not normal to normal human beings and I seriously doubt it is as simple as she wanted a baby. I'm not going to defend Lisa Montgomery but I certainly want to know the truth, whatever it is. It's fine to think that outsiders should have seen warning signs but now we are confronted with it - are we suppose to look and gain knowledge or are we going to just judge?
 
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I have a thankfully EX-sister-in-law who reminds me very much of Lisa Montgomery...I don't think the ex-SIL has ever committed murder, but I wouldn't put it past her. She always wanted to be the center of attention and she didn't care who she hurt for it to happen. She would lie, steal, anything she could do....she was married to my husband's brother and she was horrid to me when I joined the family...she wanted to be the only daughter-in-law and she treated me terribly. I was actually afraid of her because she was unhinged. Lisa Montgomery's past behavior was so like that of my SIL's....it scares me what the SIL might have done next had they not divorced and she left the state. Poor Bobbie Jo didn't stand a chance once this freak zeroed in on her. I truly believe that there ARE evil people out there. Of course, there is something missing in the wiring of their brain for them to be this way, but they are just plain evil...and I know my SIL was that way and LM seems to be the same way. Evil to the core when there's something they want.

There are NO excuses for what she did. Plenty of people have tough childhoods but they don't grow up to be killers. She was said to not even pay attention to or take care of the children she had, why did she want another baby so badly?? To be the center of attention...what would she have done next when that baby grew into a child and was no longer able to garner attention for Lisa??

It will be interesting, if there is a trial, which there will be, I'm sure, to find out just how she knew to strangle Bobbie to the point of unconsciousness but not quite death, to render her incapacitated but not dead, so that she could take the baby and have enough time to do it in. And how did she know how to do a crude caesarean section to remove the baby and not hurt her, too? Did Bobbie Jo eventually die of the strangulation, or the blood loss from the horrid slicing of her abdomen? Her mother says she was alive when she found her....how much did she know, God bless her?? Did she know/feel what was happening to her and Victoria?? She obviously fought hard b/c she was found clutching handfuls of Lisa's hair...it's just heartbreaking and it makes me sick. This sweet beautiful girl, by all accounts just a preciously sweet person with not an enemy to her name, meeting an end like this....having to physically fight for probably the first time in her life...and fight for her life. :(
 
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raisincharlie said:
But I will guarantee you there is not one person on this board that can tell me what was done to her, either through the course of her life or by her own hand that lead to this horrible crime. Unless she is the devil incarnate - there is a reason that is not normal to normal human beings and I seriously doubt it is as simple as she wanted a baby.

I have thought about this, too....was it more than wanting Bobbie's baby?? She had spent time on the message boards with Bobbie, had be around her (and Zeb) at dog shows....was she jealous of Bobbie?? Zeb's obvious love for Bobbie and their happy marriage? Bobbie's beauty and kind, sweet personality? All the friends she had and how easily she made them? Her skill with the dogs and the awards she won? I just can't help but think it was a personal vendetta against Bobbie Stinnett, and getting her baby was only part of it.
 
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englishleigh said:
I have thought about this, too....was it more than wanting Bobbie's baby?? She had spent time on the message boards with Bobbie, had be around her (and Zeb) at dog shows....was she jealous of Bobbie?? Zeb's obvious love for Bobbie and their happy marriage? Bobbie's beauty and kind, sweet personality? All the friends she had and how easily she made them? Her skill with the dogs and the awards she won? I just can't help but think it was a personal vendetta against Bobbie Stinnett, and getting her baby was only part of it.
That stuff with your SIL must have been a nightmare for you - glad she went away hopefully never to return. There are some down right scary people in this world.

englishleigh - I honestly think there are some very deep seeded reasons why Montgomery took the actions she did, and I am in no way defending this monster and I do believe she is a monster. Don't take me wrong on this but I do think she was a terribly desperate and needy person. I do think this is a woman who had nothing, was nothing, was told she was nothing on a frequent basis and in reality became nothing. I think it is possible that the timing of meeting Bobbie Jo coincided with some issues in her life she had no answers for and Bobbie Jo did. From that message board it seems like the only person that was nice to her was Bobbie Jo.

I am absolutely baffled by her constant claims of being pregnant - especially with the first husband who was aware she had had her tubes tied and she continued to tell him she was pregnant. I am amazed by this blatant, absolutely impossible, lie. I am more amazed by him divorcing her once only to remarry her 4 months later knowing full well (as he claims today) that she had some problems. Why ? - it wasn't over the kids they had together otherwise he wouldn't have divorced her in the first place. I also wonder how the heck she ever ended up with those children in her custody if his claims about her were true - he could have kept those children. If she was so awful how could he ever sleep knowing they were with her ? Very strange and I think there is a lot of something to be found there. Just a hunch, don't know why I think it.

I really do wish that when people commit crimes such as this and they are locked away that the government would conduct extensive analysis of them, from a physchological point and find out what the heck makes people like this tick. This knowledge has got to be good for something.
 
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I'll tell you one thing...this incident has made me so much more careful about talking to strangers on the internet and giving out info about myself. If Bobbie hadn't ever come into contact with this horrible person and given out her info, this never would have happened. Not blaming Bobbie Jo...it is entirely Lisa's fault...and most people out there are still good at heart....but you never know when you are talking to an unbalanced person. Bobbie Jo never had a chance once she'd given directions to her home to this evil woman. I used to belong to an e-mail group of women from around the country who had children born in a particular month and year...we all had each other's addresses and everything, and some people had met face-to-face. Luckily, everyone there were normal and nice, for the most part....but what if someone there had been psychotic, like Lisa M??? It's terrfying!!
 
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:clap: englishleigh

If anyone wants my internet safety tips, please feel free to write me at the address in my signature. Education is the key to prevention.

Be safe, y'all, and God bless
With HOPE, Lanie
 

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