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mainepotato said:
If this witch gets off by reason of insanity I will be sooooo mad!!! :furious: :furious: :furious:
GUILTY MO - Bobbi Jo Stinnett, 23, slain, fetus stolen, Skidmore, 16 Dec 2004
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If this witch gets off by reason of insanity I will be sooooo mad!!! :furious: :furious: :furious:
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...to those following this case. Lisa Montgomery will enter a plea tomorrow at 2:30 pm CST in federal court in Kansas City. It is expected that she will plead not guilty by reason of insanity, but she could plead guilty in the hopes of receiving LWOP...but I doubt Todd Graves is going to allow any deals.
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Nah, my child's birth certificate had to be stamped by the city she was born in, they screwed up the original (spilled coffee on it) and I had to go in person to get another one...raisincharlie said:
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http://www.kshb.com/kshb/home/article/0,1925,KSHB_9410_3484443,00.html
Kansas woman pleads not guilty in pregnant woman's slaying
January 20, 2005
KANSAS CITY, Mo. (AP) _ A Kansas woman charged with strangling an expectant mother and cutting the infant from her womb pleaded not guilty Thursday, and prosecutors said they are leaning toward seeking the death penalty.
Lisa Montgomery, 36, of Melvern, Kan., didn't speak during the brief hearing before U.S. Magistrate Judge John Maughmer, who appointed additional counsel to her public defense team after U.S. Attorney Todd Graves indicated he plans to seek a death sentence.
``That is the direction we are going,'' Graves said.
Montgomery faces a federal charge of kidnapping resulting in death for the December slaying of Bobbie Jo Stinnett, a 23-year-old who was eight-months pregnant with her first child. Stinnett's body was found in a pool of blood in her Skidmore home on Dec. 16.
The baby, later named Victoria Jo by her father, survived the attack. She was found alive the next day with Montgomery in Kansas.
Anita Burns, Montgomery's public defender, declined to speak with reporters after the hearing.
(Copyright 2005 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)
Kansas woman pleads not guilty in pregnant woman's slaying
January 20, 2005
KANSAS CITY, Mo. (AP) _ A Kansas woman charged with strangling an expectant mother and cutting the infant from her womb pleaded not guilty Thursday, and prosecutors said they are leaning toward seeking the death penalty.
Lisa Montgomery, 36, of Melvern, Kan., didn't speak during the brief hearing before U.S. Magistrate Judge John Maughmer, who appointed additional counsel to her public defense team after U.S. Attorney Todd Graves indicated he plans to seek a death sentence.
``That is the direction we are going,'' Graves said.
Montgomery faces a federal charge of kidnapping resulting in death for the December slaying of Bobbie Jo Stinnett, a 23-year-old who was eight-months pregnant with her first child. Stinnett's body was found in a pool of blood in her Skidmore home on Dec. 16.
The baby, later named Victoria Jo by her father, survived the attack. She was found alive the next day with Montgomery in Kansas.
Anita Burns, Montgomery's public defender, declined to speak with reporters after the hearing.
(Copyright 2005 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)
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WindChime said:
Her own family thinks she is evil. I'm kinda surprised, though, that Kevin wasn't there. I wonder if he is contemplating divorce?? I think I would be.
I'm sure there will be delays, too, but I hope they get on with it. Don't federal death row inmates tend to get executed faster than ones who are just under the jurisdiction of individual states? I'm thinking about how Timothy McVeigh was executed in just a few years after the OKC bombing.
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http://www.maryvilledailyforum.com/articles/2005/01/20/news/news3.txt
'There couldn't be a more perfect name'
Local man shares his experience withStinnett family, 'miracle baby' Victoria Jo
By DAN MADDEN
Special to the Forum
Her name means "winner" or "conqueror." It was the name her mother picked before she even knew she was having a girl.
As I looked down at little Victoria Jo Stinnett sleeping peacefully in my arms, I knew there couldn't be a more perfect name.
After all, just 13 days earlier, this little "miracle," as her father Zeb calls her, had taken her first traumatic breath - and at the same time her young mother, Bobbie Jo Stinnett, was breathing her last.
Little Victoria was welcomed to the world not by doctors, nurses and family, but rather by the person who had just sliced her from her mother's womb.
Victoria's first car ride wasn't the short trip home from a hospital maternity ward with her parents. Instead, it was a 150-mile race with her mother's alleged killer.
Thanks to the work of Nodaway County Sheriff Ben Espey and many other law enforcement officials, Victoria was found, unharmed, 23 hours later, and reunited with her father. The next day, her mother was buried, the mother Victoria Jo will know only through family memories, photographs and - sadly - through yellowing newspaper clippings.
Yet, here in my arms she slept, oblivious to the strange man with a lump in his throat who was holding her like rare porcelain. Five days earlier was Christmas, the celebration of that silent night when a tiny infant brought hope to humankind.
Now, I sat at a kitchen table with a family whose Christmas had been silenced by the numbness of grief. But I held in my arms the embodiment of victory - good over evil, peace over violence, love over hatred.
She was dressed for battle in a slightly too-big Tigger jumper, and armed with a sleepy yawn that could melt cold steel. She was blissfully unaware that she had entered a world in which cruelty and violence could erupt without warning, and mercifully forgetful that it had done so in her first 24 hours.
I'd never met Victoria's family before that night. Tammy LaTour, an aide in Conception Abbey's infirmary whose husband works with Zeb, told me that the family was growing weary of continual media attention. Apprehensively, she asked if I could help.
I learned a couple of things in the aftermath of that June morning in 2002 when an old man with a rifle opened fire in the hallways of Conception Abbey. The first was that dawn always follows darkest night; that even the most senseless of tragedies and deepest of pain will give way to unexpected blessings. The other thing I learned was how to manage national media coverage in the aftermath of a bizarre, headline-grabbing tragedy.
I'm no PR guru, just a man with an experience that thankfully most people will never have. I'm not wise, but sometimes life forces wisdom upon us.
I could not help this family with their grief and pain. Each tragedy is a deeply personal experience. No one can possibly know exactly what Zeb and his family are going through, just as no one could truly know what the monks went through. But this tragedy and the shootings at Conception Abbey had one thing in common - the media.
Perhaps if I could simply answer a few questions, or pass on some lessons learned the last time the national media descended on Nodaway County, it would help in some small way to ease this family's burden.
I ran the idea by Abbot Gregory Polan, who gave his blessing. He said he had been trying to think of a way that Conception Abbey could reach out to the Stinnett family; maybe this was it.
Not wanting to intrude on this family's privacy, I placed a call to Sheriff Espey. He immediately called the family to suggest the idea, and a couple of weeks later I was nervously knocking at their door.
The meeting went well. I'm not sure if I helped them, or if they ever really needed my help. I was humbled by their hospitality, and I'm a better person for meeting them. They are good people who are facing the unfathomable with quiet dignity. They told me they desired two things: first, the opportunity to thank the countless people who have reached out to them with cards, letters, gifts, donations, and above all, prayers; and second, the privacy to grieve, heal and get to know their newest member like any other family would, free from news cameras.
The desires of the little girl in the Tigger outfit were even simpler. Soon she would want, no, she would demand - and quite vocally - to be fed.
Conquering evil is hungry work.
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'There couldn't be a more perfect name'
Local man shares his experience withStinnett family, 'miracle baby' Victoria Jo
By DAN MADDEN
Special to the Forum
Her name means "winner" or "conqueror." It was the name her mother picked before she even knew she was having a girl.
As I looked down at little Victoria Jo Stinnett sleeping peacefully in my arms, I knew there couldn't be a more perfect name.
After all, just 13 days earlier, this little "miracle," as her father Zeb calls her, had taken her first traumatic breath - and at the same time her young mother, Bobbie Jo Stinnett, was breathing her last.
Little Victoria was welcomed to the world not by doctors, nurses and family, but rather by the person who had just sliced her from her mother's womb.
Victoria's first car ride wasn't the short trip home from a hospital maternity ward with her parents. Instead, it was a 150-mile race with her mother's alleged killer.
Thanks to the work of Nodaway County Sheriff Ben Espey and many other law enforcement officials, Victoria was found, unharmed, 23 hours later, and reunited with her father. The next day, her mother was buried, the mother Victoria Jo will know only through family memories, photographs and - sadly - through yellowing newspaper clippings.
Yet, here in my arms she slept, oblivious to the strange man with a lump in his throat who was holding her like rare porcelain. Five days earlier was Christmas, the celebration of that silent night when a tiny infant brought hope to humankind.
Now, I sat at a kitchen table with a family whose Christmas had been silenced by the numbness of grief. But I held in my arms the embodiment of victory - good over evil, peace over violence, love over hatred.
She was dressed for battle in a slightly too-big Tigger jumper, and armed with a sleepy yawn that could melt cold steel. She was blissfully unaware that she had entered a world in which cruelty and violence could erupt without warning, and mercifully forgetful that it had done so in her first 24 hours.
I'd never met Victoria's family before that night. Tammy LaTour, an aide in Conception Abbey's infirmary whose husband works with Zeb, told me that the family was growing weary of continual media attention. Apprehensively, she asked if I could help.
I learned a couple of things in the aftermath of that June morning in 2002 when an old man with a rifle opened fire in the hallways of Conception Abbey. The first was that dawn always follows darkest night; that even the most senseless of tragedies and deepest of pain will give way to unexpected blessings. The other thing I learned was how to manage national media coverage in the aftermath of a bizarre, headline-grabbing tragedy.
I'm no PR guru, just a man with an experience that thankfully most people will never have. I'm not wise, but sometimes life forces wisdom upon us.
I could not help this family with their grief and pain. Each tragedy is a deeply personal experience. No one can possibly know exactly what Zeb and his family are going through, just as no one could truly know what the monks went through. But this tragedy and the shootings at Conception Abbey had one thing in common - the media.
Perhaps if I could simply answer a few questions, or pass on some lessons learned the last time the national media descended on Nodaway County, it would help in some small way to ease this family's burden.
I ran the idea by Abbot Gregory Polan, who gave his blessing. He said he had been trying to think of a way that Conception Abbey could reach out to the Stinnett family; maybe this was it.
Not wanting to intrude on this family's privacy, I placed a call to Sheriff Espey. He immediately called the family to suggest the idea, and a couple of weeks later I was nervously knocking at their door.
The meeting went well. I'm not sure if I helped them, or if they ever really needed my help. I was humbled by their hospitality, and I'm a better person for meeting them. They are good people who are facing the unfathomable with quiet dignity. They told me they desired two things: first, the opportunity to thank the countless people who have reached out to them with cards, letters, gifts, donations, and above all, prayers; and second, the privacy to grieve, heal and get to know their newest member like any other family would, free from news cameras.
The desires of the little girl in the Tigger outfit were even simpler. Soon she would want, no, she would demand - and quite vocally - to be fed.
Conquering evil is hungry work.
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Bumping this up for Bobbie Jo, so her case is not forgotten. Lisa Montgomery goes on trial the week of March 14th.
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The U.S. attorney who is prosecuting Lisa Montgomery has a website with updates to the case, and also here you can read the criminal complaint, the affidavit, the motion for pretrial detention, and the grand jury indictment, all in pdf format. Click on the orange link at the top: "Lisa Montgomery Updates".
The U.S. attorney who is prosecuting Lisa Montgomery has a website with updates to the case, and also here you can read the criminal complaint, the affidavit, the motion for pretrial detention, and the grand jury indictment, all in pdf format. Click on the orange link at the top: "Lisa Montgomery Updates".
Montgomery is not the first to think up such a grisly crime. Check this out.tybee204 said:
Murder suggests deeper psychological trouble, as illustrated by several cases in which women have killed expectant mothers and taken infants. In 1987, an Oregon woman named Darci Pierce killed a pregnant woman and performed a Caesarean section on her with a car key.
Described as grandiose and deceptive, Pierce, who was adopted, was desperate to have a child of her own to prove that she was a better mother than her adoptive and biological mothers, said Michael Stone, a specialist in forensic psychiatry at Columbia University who has tracked the case.
In 1995, a Chicago woman named Annette Williams enlisted the aid of two men to help kill a pregnant mother of two, using scissors to cut free the unborn child. According to Stones evaluation of the case, Williams had a pathological dependence on her boyfriend, who wanted her to have a baby, Stone said.
What they had in common is this amorality, it seems to me, a deep sense of entitlement, and a longing to have this baby at all costs
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I don't have a link, but a few years back there was the killing of Teresa Andrews of Ravenna, OH for her baby. The woman who did it shot herself as the police were closing in. The baby was returned to his father and we have heard nothing about them since then, at the father's request to return to a private life. Such a terrible waste of two lives.
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Opie said:
I have a friend in Ohio who was talking about this case when Bobbie Jo was murdered. I had never heard of it.
There is a case in Kentucky that happened just a few days ago, where a pregnant woman was lured to a house thru a baby registry and attacked, but she killed her attacker. The woman who attacked her had a baby room all set up but was not pregnant.Opie said:
And in Nashville, TN some guy tried to steal a woman's child from her (out of the womb) but she managed to get the child and the attempt foiled.
There must be something in the air this winter.
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This trial should start in about 2 1/2 weeks. I have not seen anything else in the news about this recently. Has anyone else?
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Yup...I guess the difference is that everyone knows Lisa Montgomery did it for sure. No one really knew with Scooter...everyone was pretty sure, but not 100% like with LM.
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http://www.lifenews.com/state928.html
Trial of Woman Who Killed Pregnant Mom, Stole Unborn Baby Delayed
by Steven Ertelt
LifeNews.com Editor
March 1, 2005
Washington, DC (LifeNews.com) -- The trial of a Kansas woman who stands accused of killing a pregnant mother and stealing her unborn child probably won't begin until next year. The trial was expected to begin next month, but both prosecutors and defense attorneys have asked for an April 2006 starting date because of the extensiveness of the case.
Attorneys for both sides filed motions Friday asking for the later date for the trial of Lisa Montgomery.
"Obtaining time to properly prepare for representing a person facing death is essential," lawyers Susan Hunt and Anita Burns wrote, according to an Associated Press story. "The necessary investigation, motions and preparation cannot be accomplished without substantial time. Defense counsel face difficult and time-consuming tasks in capital cases."
Trial of Woman Who Killed Pregnant Mom, Stole Unborn Baby Delayed
by Steven Ertelt
LifeNews.com Editor
March 1, 2005
Washington, DC (LifeNews.com) -- The trial of a Kansas woman who stands accused of killing a pregnant mother and stealing her unborn child probably won't begin until next year. The trial was expected to begin next month, but both prosecutors and defense attorneys have asked for an April 2006 starting date because of the extensiveness of the case.
Attorneys for both sides filed motions Friday asking for the later date for the trial of Lisa Montgomery.
"Obtaining time to properly prepare for representing a person facing death is essential," lawyers Susan Hunt and Anita Burns wrote, according to an Associated Press story. "The necessary investigation, motions and preparation cannot be accomplished without substantial time. Defense counsel face difficult and time-consuming tasks in capital cases."
Since the Montgomery trial has been delayed untill sometime next year I archived the Montgomery Forum untill the date gets closer. Please post all comments , News articles etc on this thread and we will merge it with the forum when it is brought back up.
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I wasn't sure where else to post this, since I couldn't post to the Lisa Montgomery thread, so this seemed like the next best bet.
Zeb Stinnett made a statement today with an update on his daughter and expressing thanks to everyone who has reached out to their family.
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/local/11426589.htm
Picture here:
http://www.kctv.com/global/Story.asp?s=3226693
Text of statement (partial, I guess) here:
http://www.kctv.com/global/Story.asp?s=3226723
The first article says that he released three pictures, but I've only seen the one. Isn't she adorable? I think she has her mommy's big beautiful eyes. How much fun her mom would have had playing with her baby.
Zeb Stinnett made a statement today with an update on his daughter and expressing thanks to everyone who has reached out to their family.
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/local/11426589.htm
Picture here:
http://www.kctv.com/global/Story.asp?s=3226693
Text of statement (partial, I guess) here:
http://www.kctv.com/global/Story.asp?s=3226723
The first article says that he released three pictures, but I've only seen the one. Isn't she adorable? I think she has her mommy's big beautiful eyes. How much fun her mom would have had playing with her baby.
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