GUILTY MO - Breeann Rodriguez, 3, Senath, 6 August 2011 - #2

[milanj]

I was using LE as a general term for all investigators on the case. The point is, he was told he failed, but we've received contradictory information.

Because the FBI's policy is to not discuss polygraphs. Which I find to be very frustrating! If they give the test, they should at least let the results be known.

 

[CarrieBean]

Stranger things have happened....

But, the father would be the best actor I have seen in a while, If it was balloon boy scenario

I think HE knows, or has a pretty good Idea of who might have taken her...
JMO

BBM

This would be about the best scenario we could ask for. I'd rather see desperate, stupid parents than a dead or hurt little girl.

 

[hollye]

They way I read it, Karnes, (the cop), says they have not found any "real" evidence or clues. He then goes on to say that he can't comment about the third item that was recovered.

Does this mean that he does not consider the training wheels and the other item to be "real" clues?

SBM

Earlier in the week he said that he felt the training wheels were planted, I believe, then that may possibly mean that they are not real clues.

If the training wheels from Breeann's bike were, in fact, worn and bent, as the father has said and I imagine were, if she rode her bike as much as they have indicated, and LE is saying that the ones they found were new, which has been said from the beginning (and I heard when they were found), then I would venture to guess that the training wheels that were found were not the ones from Breeann's bike and are not real clues.

 

[concentric]

Good Morning sarx! Basically, the reports that have shown up in MSM, until yesterday did not specify that SAR dogs were being used. There had only been mention of generic dogs and cadaver dogs. The sheriff had mentioned an odor that had been detected, but there was confusion as to whether the odor was picked up by cadaver dogs or SAR dogs. The sheriff clarified yesteday that it was a scent that had been picked up.

Here are 2 pics that I screen captured of the K9 teams shown on one of the videos...

Not sure if there is a way to tell what types of K9 units they are.

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This is JMO:

OK, in the 2nd photo, that dirt road that the SAR team is walking down...I had not seen that picture before just now. You may think I'm koo-koo for coco puffs, but I did picture that dirt road right off a field in my mind's eye a few days ago. I'm thinking that the guy ran with her through the field to that road, where his vehicle was.

Hope LE can get the property owners or someone in the community to remember if they saw a vehicle there.

 

[brighidin]

They way I read it, Karnes, (the cop), says they have not found any "real" evidence or clues. He then goes on to say that he can't comment about the third item that was recovered.

Does this mean that he does not consider the training wheels and the other item to be "real" clues?

Karnes, doesn't think the training wheels are from Breeann's bike, so that may be why he doesn't consider them "real clues." At least, that is how I'm reading that.

"Karnes said he does not feel that the training wheels are from the child's bicycle, however, her father, Edgar Rodriguez, believe they are."
http://www.dddnews.com/story/1752744.html

Very puzzling article

 

[jjenny]

There is a reason lie detector tests are usually not admissible in court. They are not that reliable. Innocent people can fail, and guilty people can pass.
So even if the parents failed I am not sure how much one can read into it.

 

[cluciano63]

How can the wheels look new to LE and bent and used to the father?

 

[jjenny]

How can the wheels look new to LE and bent and used to the father?

I am trying to figure out as to why someone would take the bike but leave training wheels? Could they even fall off the bike or would someone actually have to remove them?

 

[milanj]

As far as the K9 units go and the two different uniforms, I found that there is a K9 unit in Scott County Missouri that wears yellow tshirts and khakis. (But I don't know how to link that info) Is it possible one unit is a county unit (in this case Scott County) and one is the local LE unit? And how far is Scott County? Would they possibly even be assisting in the search?

 

[cluciano63]

I am trying to figure out as to why someone would take the bike but leave training wheels? Could they even fall off the bike or would someone actually have to remove them?

On NG, it sounded like the father had to use a wrench or something to adjust them, I don't think they would (both) just fall off, JMO...

 

[TGIRecovered]

I think that Karnes suspects that someone planted the wheels and the third item in an effort to connect some third party with the abduction. I think that's why he says they have no real evidence or clues, in spite of the fact that they clearly have found three items.

Karnes says the training wheels which were found were brand new and un-scuffed, clean. Breeann's dad says the wheels are definitely hers because one of them is bent they way he bent it to make the bike stable.

If the wheels were new and planted and bent, who else would have known just how to bend one like that other than the dad?

But why would Karnes say dad is cleared?

I don't think Karnes is confused. I think he is fishing.

 

[brighidin]

Why are these two (Dad and Karnes) publicly contradicting each other?? Wheels, LDT...what next?

Very frustrating.

 

[cluciano63]

LE said something about getting something back, evidence-wise, "in about two days" a few days ago, IIRC. I wonder if that is refers to the wheels? Or the mystery item?

 

[CN2Souls]

Training wheels......... they have always made me ullhair:

with 10 children and all... everyone of them had those thing on their little bikes....

 

[CN2Souls]

LE said something about getting something back, evidence-wise, "in about two days" a few days ago, IIRC. I wonder if that is refers to the wheels? Or the mystery item?

Will be interesting to see what or who's finger prints or DNA might be on those little training wheels...

 

[Kat]

I'm glad the LDT issue was cleared up by LE. I'm going to go with they are cleared.

That gives me hope for Breeann. She could still be alive. If it had been the parents involved with her going missing there is only a slight chance that she would be still alive.

JMHO

 

[liz b.]

So to summarize : I read upthread that it was reported that some neighbors did see her riding her bike that a.m. It is being reported that the parents have been cleared...

If the neighbors saw her on the bike, it is reasonable to assume that the neighbors would also have noticed a stranger, or a vehicle they did not know. I believe it was probably someone in the neighborhood who took her. MOO

ETA The other item found with the training wheels is interesting. Maybe a shoe, or a hair tie or barrette ? MOO

 

[jadejazzkayla]

Why are these two (Dad and Karnes) publicly contradicting each other?? Wheels, LDT...what next?

Very frustrating.

I heard on HLN this am that LE was looking for DNA on the training wheels.

If the test shows breeann's dna I believe Karnes will modify his statement to agree with Breeann's dad.

As others have stated up-thread, LE probably lied when they told the parents they had failed the polys.

 

[CarrieBean]

Curious if the new neighbours and the white van are connected. If it was used to help them move I would think it would have been ruled out by now.

 

[wannabedetective]

I heard on HLN this am that LE was looking for DNA on the training wheels.

If the test shows breeann's dna I believe Karnes will modify his statement to agree with Breeann's dad.

As others have stated up-thread, LE probably lied when they told the parents they had failed the polys.

I've got 2 little ones, and I don't know that either of them have touched their training wheels to have left any dna on them. I would assume that if they are from her bike, that dad's dna would be likely, but not thinking Breeann's would.