GUILTY MO - Breeann Rodriguez, 3, Senath, 6 August 2011 - #2

[katydid23]

Somethings not right with the auction story. Wonder if he signed in for a number and LE can confirm? If he left around 11 and returned by noon before LE as called, that's not much time to park, get a ticket and schmooz around to see what's available. Even if he decided not to stay. How far away was the auction? Off to google......

The only local auctions that anyone has found so far for saturday mornings were potentially Farm or Livestock auctiuons which typically take place on saturday mornings.
They did not have a farm so I do not know what he would be doing at those however. All I can think of is if he just went to look at the auction merchandise somewhere before the next scheduled auction. Some auction houses allow that.

 

[katydid23]

This article says neighbors did see Breeann riding her bike.
http://www.kait8.com/story/15227946/training-wheels-found-father-believes-theyre-missing-daughters

If that is true that the neighbors saw her on her bike, then I wonder why the polygraphs were given to the parents. That seems weird. If the neighbors saw the child out riding her bike between 10:30 and 11:30, and then the parents were out searching for her, then I don't see any way that the parents were guilty of any involvement. imoo

 

[tiredblondy]

Don't know if anyone clarified it or not but comments at the bottom of this article state that those are cotton fields.

http://www.dddnews.com/story/1751442.html

 

[HeinekenMan]

That quote from the article has me confused since I think the part with Ramos written in means that it's replacing the word "she" in the interview. I got the impression that the dad is the one doing all the talking here. I haven't heard or read an account from the mother yet, if someone has a link handy. JMO

Yes. The quote is from Rodriguez. Ramos was not part of that quote. But her name was included in it. Hence the confusion.

 

[HeinekenMan]

Don't know if anyone clarified it or not but comments at the bottom of this article state that those are cotton fields.

http://www.dddnews.com/story/1751442.html

And you can see the cotton popping out of the pods halfway through this video.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xk...s-toward-finding-missing-tot-in-missouri_news

 

[Indy Anna]

Usually when someone disappears and something in their possession later turns up, it is a sign that the missing person has been abducted and the perp is sending the message, "We have her/him." It is usually followed by some demands that the perp wants met (e.g., a ransom).

That could be the intention of the discarded training wheels. If the wheels were planted by the parents, where would they have been keeping the bike? I'm sure LE has combed through their property thoroughly. A kidnapper, however, would be wary of returning too close to the scene of the crime, knowing there will be a strong LE presence.

Surely, Breeann's kidnapper isn't expecting a ransom? My understanding is that this neighborhood is far from an upscale community. My first thought upon reading about the training wheels was that the perp knows the Ramos-Rodriguez family. I can't explain exactly why I felt that way, but I wonder if the family has any relatives or close associates who live near Senath. Maybe the parents have a vague idea who took Breeann and why she was taken, but have not discussed the possibility with LE. Could that be the reason the parents failed the polys? Maybe it involves a very personal issue - even blackmail.

Just some thoughts.

 

[dsntslp]

The Arkansas state line is not far South (or West, for that matter) and where the training wheels were located would be in that direction (S) if one were leaving the state that way and not West. Disassembling a bike and discarding pieces along the way? I would think that would mean two perps, one to drive and the other to start taking the bicycle apart. Experienced criminals sometimes know that to involve more than one state often confuses and clouds an investigation thereby slowing things down immensely. Jurisdictional issues etc... The only reason I can come up with for removing the training wheels, if this is a non-familial abduction, is if one wanted to throw the bicycle away piece by piece so there was less chance of it being found.

I wonder if there are any security cameras at the entrance to Big Lake State Wildlife Management Area. I also wonder if the only way into that Management Area is through the formal entrance(s). Most of it appears to be surrounded by canal.

 

[gliving]

And you can see the cotton popping out of the pods halfway through this video.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xkhvjs_nbc-today-show-small-steps-toward-finding-missing-tot-in-missouri_news

This is a very small rural farm community. Everyone knows everyone, or knows someone who would.

 

[HeinekenMan]

I just figured out that we drove right past Senath when I was a kid. We got on 412 in Hayti and took it all the way to my grandma's house in Paragould, Ark. As you cross the border into Arkansas, there is a really muddy river. It appears to run about three miles straight west of Senath. If someone was leaving Senath, they could get out there to the river on County Road 568, which runs just south of town. County Road 552 also heads that way. There aren't many houses out there by the river. It wouldn't take more than 15 minutes to drive out there. Well, I can't say it. Jesus. I think I need a break from this one.

 

[lauriej]

Sorry just catching up tonight.. But did I see on NG that both mom and dad failed the lie detectors . anyone else see that tonight.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/08/11/missouri.missing.girl/

Edgar Rodriguez, the girl's father, told HLN's Nancy Grace on Thursday that he and his wife apparently failed polygraph tests administered by authorities.

"To be completely honest with you, I don't believe that we failed (the test)," he said. "(But) they said we failed it. I don't know why."

The FBI said that it showed the training wheels to Rodriguez. His belief they were from his daughter's bike was based on the distinct way he had to "manipulate the training wheels and bike to lower it for her height," according to the FBI.

"I 100% know" the wheels came from Breeann's bike, said Rodriguez. "(There isn't) even a hint of a doubt."

..basing these couple of statements on what ( we learned from the kc statement 'experts') ----according to them, it CAN be something if a person throws in "honest" "and 100%" etc-------and as sign of trying too hard to APPEAR that they're telling the truth.

 

[pinkfly]

I have relistened to her father talking about being told that they had failed the LDT. He sounds so honest to me and I don’t think he can understand why he failed it. It seems very honest to me when he says that being told his wife failed hers puts a bit of doubt in him. I wonder if le just told each that the other failed.

I truly do not want these parents to be involved in anything bad.

I just want sweet little Breeann to be home.

 

[lauriej]

..i was looking at the case file from the mother's divorce ( feb/11/2009 )--i wasn't sure if we're allowed to mention/discuss the particulars?

 

[trigger]

I'm sorry but my kids (3 & 5) have never ever slept in past 8am. If anything they have always got up early at around 5.30am. My hinky meter is off the charts

May I ask you a question, since you have little ones. Do they brush their teeth on their own? Or do you help them? Do you help them get dressed? How about getting breakfast? Do they do that on their own? How the father worded that seems that she did this all by herself. TY.

 

[tiredblondy]

..i was looking at the case file from the mother's divorce ( feb/11/2009 )--i wasn't sure if we're allowed to mention/discuss the particulars?

Is there a link?

 

[trigger]

That's assuming the "we" she referred to included the dad. It could've been neighbours. Do we know who called 911?

The father said we called 911. I would like to hear the 911 tape.

"I didn't leave the house until about 10 [a.m.], to go to that auction," Rodriguez said. "Breeann was still asleep when I left. It had to be after 10 at least. [Ramos] is saying it was closer to 11. She had to get up, brush her teeth, get dressed, and eat cereal before she went outside. It was about 11 o'clock when she went outside and about 11:30 when she went missing. We spend about 30 minutes or 45 minutes looking for her before we called 911.

 

[concentric]

Maybe the parents have a vague idea who took Breeann and why she was taken, but have not discussed the possibility with LE. Could that be the reason the parents failed the polys? Maybe it involves a very personal issue - even blackmail.

Just some thoughts.

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That is a very interesting question. Has the family always lived in the U.S.?
Is someone getting revenge on the family for not meeting some monetary obligation?

 

[cluciano63]

Did the neighbors say they saw her riding her bike that morning, specifically? The sentence I saw was kind of vague.

If so, then they should have noticed an oddball van or other strange vehicle on a Saturday morning, I would think.

If someone wanted the wheels to be found...why 2 miles away in a field and what led police there, was it a field they were going to search anyway? And if they DIDN'T want them to be found, why leave them so close to the house? Neither makes sense...

 

[HeinekenMan]

Did the neighbors say they saw her riding her bike that morning, specifically? The sentence I saw was kind of vague.

If so, then they should have noticed an oddball van or other strange vehicle on a Saturday morning, I would think.

If someone wanted the wheels to be found...why 2 miles away in a field and what led police there, was it a field they were going to search anyway? And if they DIDN'T want them to be found, why leave them so close to the house? Neither makes sense...

My understanding is that the wheels might have been placed in the field after investigators had searched that area. If that is true, the person must have known that searchers were planning to check the field again the following day.

 

[cluciano63]

What is mom's first name?

 

[cluciano63]

My understanding is that the wheels might have been placed in the field after investigators had searched that area. If that is true, the person must have known that searchers were planning to check the field again the following day.

They said they found them on different days, I remember that much, and that they thought they had searched the area already where the second was found...so that one seems to have "appeared" at some point later...