GUILTY MO - Breeann Rodriguez, 3, Senath, 6 August 2011 - #5

[katydid23]

I read that he worked the night shift, but do we know if he showed up for work that night? Lots of factories run 12 hours shifts, meaning he'd go to work 7-7 or similar, and it might not have been dark when he left for work. I wonder what his demeanor was that night, if he did go to work.

I read on FB that a co-worker said he did, in fact, show up for work on Saturday night.

 

[flipflop]

Innocent people do "fail" polygraphs. They measure (I think) blood pressure, pulse, respiration ... I imagine all these would be elevated when your child is missing.


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Polygraphs measure heart rate, respiration, galvanic skin response, blood pressure and other changes in the sympathetic nervous system.

I agree, all of those bolded above would be WAY out of whack when your precious innocent 3 yr old princess is missing!

 

[Paige SC]

Innocent people do "fail" polygraphs. They measure (I think) blood pressure, pulse, respiration ... I imagine all these would be elevated when your child is missing.


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A polygraph (popularly referred to as a lie detector) measures and records several physiological indices such as Blood pressure while the subject is asked and answers a series of questions. The belief is that deceptive answers will produce physiological responses that can be differentiated from those associated with non-deceptive answers.

Polygraph - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I realize innocent people fail polygraphs. But they (polys) are also only as reliable as the person conducting the test. The more skilled an individual, the less likely an inaccurate reading.

 

[Paige SC]

what day were these tests administered?

Not sure. Sometime prior to Thursday of last week.

 

[vjlaw]

I realize innocent people fail polygraphs. But they (polys) are also only as reliable as the person conducting the test. The more skilled an individual, the less likely an inaccurate reading.

I believe someone asked the chief about the tests and he said something about the FBI giving the test and as far as he knew the parents had been cleared. So apprently the FBI gave the test.

 

[Dee10]

don m ~ Appreciate your posts so much so we can understand the area, etc. Although this road may not be traveled much on a Saturday, I wonder what the speed limit is? To take a chance nobody is going to drive by while I will pull over, stop...throw a body & a bike over...man you have to be pretty brazen. But hell...these cases are bizarre & we are trying to apply logic where there is NO LOGIC.:behindbar

 

[Paige SC]

Then why did they announce the parents "failed"? How do you announce they failed, delay an amber alert then declare the parents "cleared"? Was that after a confession? I mean, it would be a given at that point, no?

Post above in response to the FBI clearing the parents and/or administering the tests.

 

[vjlaw]

Then why did they announce the parents "failed"? How do you announce they failed, delay an amber alert then declare the parents "cleared"? Was that after a confession? I mean, it would be a given at that point, no?

Post above in response to the FBI clearing the parents and/or administering the tests.

The father said it on Nancy Grace. I don't remember what day that was. The chief's response was in a news article. I don't remember which news outlet.

 

[Dee10]

I agree, all of those bolded above would be WAY out of whack when your precious innocent 3 yr old princess is missing!

My understanding, they adjust for this by first by asking you factual info. name, address, verifiable factual info. & adjust the machine (so to speak) for emotional responses based on that so no matter how guilty you feel or upset you are it is set to read your emotions on factual info. first. I do believe that they told Dad that to spook him as it isn't 100% in case he could have passed & been one of the few who was able to "beat" the system, I also believe (in the Cummings case) they told Misty & Ron they passed. It is a useful tool :innocent: IMO.

 

[scorekeeper]

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&c...they also still have divers looking? score

 

[Noway]

I guess mom/dad could have failed (or showed deception) on more than one question and therefore "failed" but the deception was due to another reason than being involved in BR's disappearance.

 

[katydid23]

Do we really know, how long she was missing, before she was noticed missing?
Do we know, how long after she was noticed missing, that LE was called, and started searching?
There very well could have been enough time for him to do everything he did before LE was called.

I was researching that for a timeline. As best as I could tell, these are the reported times, according to the parents.

Dad says that he left at 10 am, BR was still asleep. He estimated she would have been out on her bike between 10:30 and 11. So we can say 10:45. They rode bikes for awhile, then brother came inside for 20 minutes. Then he went out to look for her. So that would be say, inside from 11 to 11:20, then he goes out to get BR. He cannot find her so he goes to get mom, at say 11:30. Then they look on the street for her, and Dad comes home around that time and they all look for her, and call 911 @ noon.

So essentially, she could have wandered onto Morgan's property anytime around 11 am and LE would not have been searching the area until 12:15 or so.

 

[Noway]

"I don't know, honestly, honestly. When my wife went in there first to do the polygraph and she failed it, I mean, of course as a father when someone tells you they failed a polygraph, it automatically raises doubt."

"I don't know. to be completely honest with you, I don't believe we really did fail it. It may be some kind of tool they use to squeeze every bit of information out of us...I don't really know. But they said we did fail it. "

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On last 10 minutes of NG on Thursday, August 11.

This might have been why ...

 

[tehcloser]

don m ~ Appreciate your posts so much so we can understand the area, etc. Although this road may not be traveled much on a Saturday, I wonder what the speed limit is? To take a chance nobody is going to drive by while I will pull over, stop...throw a body & a bike over...man you have to be pretty brazen. But hell...these cases are bizarre & we are trying to apply logic where there is NO LOGIC.:behindbar

Exactly. The guy just snatched a kid and killed her in broad daylight...and he wouldn't hesitate to throw her off of a bridge in broad daylight.

 

[Paige SC]

"I don't know, honestly, honestly. When my wife went in there first to do the polygraph and she failed it, I mean, of course as a father when someone tells you they failed a polygraph, it automatically raises doubt."

"I don't know. to be completely honest with you, I don't believe we really did fail it. It may be some kind of tool they use to squeeze every bit of information out of us...I don't really know. But they said we did fail it. "




This might have been why ...

That would be awful to pass a poly but to be told by authorities you've failed. If they passed, what could be gained by telling them they failed? If you pass, you're cleared from knowing further information which is why they give them, right? To eliminate you from being a person of interest? This whole story seems a bit sketchy to me, IMHO. It just doesn't make sense from a logical standpoint. Authorities clearly told them they failed. If they failed, they failed. But I would question the accuracy of whomever gave the test.

 

[don_m]

don m ~ Appreciate your posts so much so we can understand the area, etc. Although this road may not be traveled much on a Saturday, I wonder what the speed limit is? To take a chance nobody is going to drive by while I will pull over, stop...throw a body & a bike over...man you have to be pretty brazen. But hell...these cases are bizarre & we are trying to apply logic where there is NO LOGIC.:behindbar

The speed limit is 55 but 60 is more normal driving.
This area and to the southeast are so sparsely populated,,like 1 or 2 people per sq mile

 

[Paige SC]

The reason it matters about the poly, IMO, is because Mark Klass had eluded to the fact the reason the amber alert wasn't issued was perhaps the parents weren't being completely truthful. Like the authorities had honed in on them. Otherwise WHY not issue an amber alert?

 

[flipflop]

The reason it matters about the poly, IMO, is because Mark Klass had eluded to the fact the reason the amber alert wasn't issued was perhaps the parents weren't being completely truthful. Like the authorities had honed in on them. Otherwise WHY not issue an amber alert?

This case did not meet the criteria to call for an amber alert. There was no desription of vehicle or perp at the time of disappearance.

It would not have made any difference now, she was probably already dead by the time LE was called.

 

[Noway]

Personally, I think they failed (or showed deception) but it was for a reason other than Breeann's disappearance. So they did "fail" the polygraph.

All JMO.

But their failure had nothing to do with incompetence on the part of the FBI polygrapher. They showed deception, and therefore "failed" the polygraph but it was because they were being deceptive about something but were not guilty of harming their daughter.

Again JMO.

 

[Noway]

The reason it matters about the poly, IMO, is because Mark Klass had eluded to the fact the reason the amber alert wasn't issued was perhaps the parents weren't being completely truthful. Like the authorities had honed in on them. Otherwise WHY not issue an amber alert?

http://www.mshp.dps.missouri.gov/MSHPWeb/PatrolDivisions/DDCC/AmberAlert/aboutTheAmberPlan.html

Amber Alert criteria

AMBER ALERT ACTIVATION CRITERIA

In order for an AMBER Alert to be forwarded for dissemination via the Alert Missouri program the following criteria must be met:

1. Law enforcement officials have a reasonable belief that an abduction has occurred, which meets the definition in RSMo. 565.110 or 565.115.

2. Law enforcement officials believe that the child is in imminent danger of serious bodily injury or death.

3. Enough descriptive information exists about the victim and the abductor for law enforcement to issue an AMBER Alert.

4. The victim of the abduction is a child age 17 years or younger.

5. The child's name and other critical data elements - including the child abduction (CA) flag - have been entered into the National Crime Information Center (NCIC) system.

Note: Parental disputes do not apply unless a possibility of harm to the child has been determined.
Missouri AMBER Alert activation should not be requested for events not meeting the criteria listed above. Events not meeting these criteria may be addressed through local alerts, Missouri Uniform Law Enforcement System and National Crime Information Center entries, assistance from national (NCMEC) and state (Missouri State Highway Patrol) entities and standard press releases.