GUILTY MO - Breeann Rodriguez, 3, Senath, 6 August 2011 - #5

[stillwatersc]

WTH! I thought someone said MO had the DP.

http://www.masoncountydailynews.com...-killer-seemed-to-take-an-hour-for-her-to-die

The suspect is scheduled to be arraigned Tuesday at 9 a.m. at the Dunklin County Courthouse.

Morgan faces a sentence of life in prison without parole if convicted.

Maybe they dropped the DP in exchange for the confession.

 

[matou]

Wow, that watch out for children sign in his front yard is chilling. What a cruel irony. : (

I'm sure he was watching out for children on a weekend with his family gone. JMO

 

[nemo'smom]

is arraignment being broadcast live anywhere?

 

[passionflower]

But can LE believe anything this murderer has to say???
I believe he is another liar.

 

[BeanE]

is arraignment being broadcast live anywhere?

I can't find a darn thing. Not on news sites. Not on Twitter. Getting ready to check FB again.

refresh... refresh... refresh... take Ibuprofen for carpal tunnel... refresh...

 

[krimekat]

WTH! I thought someone said MO had the DP.

http://www.masoncountydailynews.com...-killer-seemed-to-take-an-hour-for-her-to-die

The suspect is scheduled to be arraigned Tuesday at 9 a.m. at the Dunklin County Courthouse.

Morgan faces a sentence of life in prison without parole if convicted.

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/states-and-without-death-penalty

MO puts them DOWN!!! It takes awhile, though . . . up to the discretion of the State.

 

[Paige SC]

I always had faith in polygraphs but after what happened here, I don't trust them anymore for any other cases. Now I understand why some refuse to take them. I wouldn't. Imagine if this perp wasn't caught? We'd be forever wondering about those "failed" polys and the parents involvement.

Taught me a lesson not to judge even if one fails. Billie Dunn comes to mind.

I am of the mindset the exception proves the rule and polys seem to work in "most" cases. In this case, it appears to me that LE suspected the family from the onset, administered the polys and received confirmation of deceptive responses. This in and of itself isn't unusual b/c we know "most" abductions aren't stranger related. However, the amber alert (regardless of whether or not it would have saved their daughter and regardless of whether or not it met all technical criteria ) should have been issued. It wasn't because they were barking up the wrong tree. Amber alerts are issued in cases much more vague than this one. There really isn't an abuse of amber alerts across the country and it's never a bad idea to err on the side of caution. Imagine if it was your child? Nevertheless, it's never appropriate to lie to family of a missing child if in fact they passed but were told they failed. If they showed deception for a matter unrelated to the disappearance of their daughter, then it's not relevant to the case and they didn't "fail" and shouldn't be tricked into believing they did.

I believe in polygraphs but would definitely not allow just anyone to administer one. Obviously this family was telling the truth and the reader detected deception on both members. To me, this shows the polyographer is lacking somewhere in skill and interpretation. IMHO -

 

[BeanE]

I am of the mindset the exception proves the rule and polys seem to work in "most" cases. In this case, it appears to me that LE suspected the family from the onset, administered the polys and received confirmation of deceptive responses. This in and of itself isn't unusual b/c we know "most" abductions aren't stranger related. However, the amber alert (regardless of whether or not it would have saved their daughter and regardless of whether or not it met all technical criteria ) should have been issued. It wasn't because they were barking up the wrong tree. Amber alerts are issued in cases much more vague than this one. There really isn't an abuse of amber alerts across the country and it's never a bad idea to err on the side of caution. Imagine if it was your child? Nevertheless, it's never appropriate to lie to family of a missing child if in fact they passed but were told they failed. If they showed deception for a matter unrelated to the disappearance of their daughter, then it's not relevant to the case and they didn't "fail" and shouldn't be tricked into believing they did.

I believe in polygraphs but would definitely not allow just anyone to administer one. Obviously this family was telling the truth and the reader detected deception on both members. To me, this shows the polyographer is lacking somewhere in skill and interpretation. IMHO -

It could be that LE told them their tests were Inconclusive and they misunderstood that to mean Failed. Many people think Inconclusive means Failed.

 

[BeanE]

Difficulties of underwater searches

Posted: Aug 15, 2011 2:15 PM EDT
Updated: Aug 16, 2011 6:42 AM EDT

Volunteer firefighters, police officers and other first responders/emergency personnel have been looking for the whereabouts of Breeann Rodriguez, 3, of Senath for more than a week. As the search continued Monday for her body in a ditch in Dunklin County, first responders in other parts of Region 8 discussed how difficult such a mission can be, both mentally and physically.

http://www.kait8.com/story/15269526/difficulties-of-underwater-searches

 

[Paige SC]

I believe the father when he states "LE told us we FAILED". I have no reason not to believe this man and I think he understands between failing and inconclusive. Either they passed and were told they failed or they failed - and if they failed I say it indicates failure on the part of the polyographer. Either way, it's not not kosher in either situation.

 

[BeanE]

@MichelleSigona Michelle Sigona

Today I have an update airing live at 11:30 a.m. on MSNBC- update on the tragic case out of Missouri, Breeann Rodriguez

#crime #msnbc

3 hours ago

http://twitter.com/#!/MichelleSigona/status/103421080781336576

 

[summer_breeze]

http://www.kfvs12.com/story/15275714/murder-suspect

Posted: Aug 16, 2011 10:46 AM EDT
Updated: Aug 16, 2011 10:50 AM EDT
By Christy Hendricks

KENNETT, MO (KFVS) -The man charged with the murder of a missing 3-year-old Senath girl appeared in court Tuesday morning in Kennett.

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A crowd of family and media was there as police brought Morgan to the courthouse in a bullet-proof vest.

Morgan's next court date will by August 30.

 

[wannabedetective]

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/states-and-without-death-penalty

MO puts them DOWN!!! It takes awhile, though . . . up to the discretion of the State.

There's always that chance that the inmates will take matters into their own hands. They don't like baby killers.

 

[belimom]

I believe the father when he states "LE told us we FAILED". I have no reason not to believe this man and I think he understands between failing and inconclusive. Either they passed and were told they failed or they failed - and if they failed I say it indicates failure on the part of the polyographer. Either way, it's not not kosher in either situation.

I am in no way an expert in polygraphs, but having gone through the whole polygraph issue with Hailey Dunn's case, it seems to me that you pass/fail (or show a physiological indicator) for each question. Therefore, it would be logical to conclude that they may have failed a question or two (e.g., what if the little boy wasn't riding with Breeann and she was on her own but they didn't want LE to know that -- just speculation on my part for the sake of argument here, or, what if the timing was off and both parents answered differently to a few questions, but truthfully for how they remembered it, etc.).

I think it's likely that they (or anyone) could miss a few questions, or it's also possible that LE told them they failed and they didn't. While not a "nice" thing to do to innocent people, I personally give LE a pass to do this if they think someone is holding back.

All of this is JMHO... Again, I know nothing about LDTs.

 

[CN2Souls]

Was SM ever given a Poly?

My personal Opinion,

I am getting the feeling that SM did not dispose of Breeann where he said he did.

I have a feeling he will never tell where he really disposed of her

I feel he is trying to not let LE and everyone one else know just what he really did.

And also very possibly he is trying to hurt the family even more.

My personal Opinion, and only that.

 

[BeanE]

I am in no way an expert in polygraphs, but having gone through the whole polygraph issue with Hailey Dunn's case, it seems to me that you pass/fail (or show a physiological indicator) for each question. Therefore, it would be logical to conclude that they may have failed a question or two (e.g., what if the little boy wasn't riding with Breeann and she was on her own but they didn't want LE to know that -- just speculation on my part for the sake of argument here, or, what if the timing was off and both parents answered differently to a few questions, but truthfully for how they remembered it, etc.).

I think it's likely that they (or anyone) could miss a few questions, or it's also possible that LE told them they failed and they didn't. While not a "nice" thing to do to innocent people, I personally give LE a pass to do this if they think someone is holding back.

All of this is JMHO... Again, I know nothing about LDTs.

The examiner determines that you showed truth, deception, or inconclusive for each question. Inconclusive = the examiner is completely unable to determine if the results for the question show truth or deception.

 

[Shutterfly]

My personal Opinion,

I am getting the feeling that SM did not dispose of Breeann where he said he did.

I have a feeling he will never tell where he really disposed of her

I feel he is trying to not let LE and everyone one else know just what he really did.

And also very possibly he is trying to hurt the family even more.

My personal Opinion, and only that.

And I'm leaning that way myself. What happens if she's not found in time to preserve evidence? "Homicide by undetermined means"...and Casey can say Caylee drowned in the family pool. And Shawn can say that ALL he did was suffocate little Breeann.

 

[wannabedetective]

F/B posting indicates that they may be calling TES. Tim Miller rocks!:rocker:

 

[Dr. Know?]

Man accused of 3-year-old's murder appears in court

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A crowd of family and media was there as police brought Morgan to the courthouse in a bullet-proof vest.

Family and friends held signs reading "Justice for Breeann."


http://www.kfvs12.com/story/15275714/murder-suspect

 

[ulpiano]

Darn! Arraignment rescheduled.

A southeast Missouri man accused of killing a 3-year-old neighbor girl faces arraignment Aug. 30.

Shawn Morgan made a brief appearance in a Dunklin County courtroom on Tuesday. His arraignment was rescheduled to allow him time to find an attorney. He remains jailed without bond.

http://www.salon.com/wires/allwires/index.html