GUILTY MO - Breeann Rodriguez, 3, Senath, 6 August 2011 - #6

[greenpalm]

When I was there sunday ,, there was a tiny park just across the street from the police dept,,, where People had been placing candles /balloons and such.
I THINK that is the park they are talking about.
Tenaris had bomb threats ,,,on 1 day,,,,, months ago.

Really? Were they phoned in? Was the factory evacuated? What else do you know about it?

Also: Mods or more experienced folks, I assume that looking into Breeann's father's employment record to see if it matches SM's would be sleuthing the victim, yes? So, therefore, against the rules of Websleuth's? thank you.

 

[panthera]

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Also: Mods or more experienced folks, I assume that looking into Breeann's father's employment record to see if it matches SM's would be sleuthing the victim, yes? So, therefore, against the rules of Websleuth's? thank you.

Correct.

 

[scorekeeper]

I think they are doing it in a very beautiful way.

Oh, so do I.....

It breaks my heart to think of what Breeann may/probably went through those last moments of her precious life.....

 

[don_m]

Really? Were they phoned in? Was the factory evacuated? What else do you know about it?

Also: Mods or more experienced folks, I assume that looking into Breeann's father's employment record to see if it matches SM's would be sleuthing the victim, yes? So, therefore, against the rules of Websleuth's? thank you.

Someone called it in on one of the radio frequencies.
Most likely it was some onsite with a company radio,,,,, but I don't know if there is any way to know for sure.
It went on for hours,,, it was just at shift change and at first they wouldn't let anyone in or out.
Then they did the shift change and another threat was supposedly heard.
I never heard any outcome ,,,I had just about forgotten about it.
MANY people have company radios,,,I have NO idea if SM did or not.

 

[greenpalm]

That's my understanding, especially after watching the entirety of the Caylee Anthony trial. It's kind of drilled into my head that the odor is distinctive, to both humans and SAR dogs.

I was going to look it up and see if LE had said Morgan put Breeann in the water on the first day. I don't think they did, but I'm not sure. If not, I wondered if he'd put her in that field first, then went back and took her and put her in the water. That would have left an odor on the ground.

They may mean that the 3rd piece of evidence was the odor itself, or they could have meant perhaps gloves as another member mentioned earlier, or another trash bag that he left there for some reason. I dunno.

ETA: Okay just looked at the probable cause document and it does look like he was saying he disposed of Breeann's body the same day, but I wonder if that's true.

I really do understand that the odor is distinctive, and I totally agree with what you are saying. I'm cuing off of some of the stuff Chief Karnes said when they found the training wheels and the other evidence. He said something like (Paraphrasing) it looked like someone was trying to hide something; and that the investigation was leading them in circles; and that the evidence was not directly related to the case. (I've been looking for the article with the video that said all this, no luck yet)

If I were in charge of this investigation and I found training wheels, AND also smelled something "dead" I'd bring in dogs to find the source of the smell…even if I thought it smelled more like animal decomp or garbage. I would want to find the source and check it out. I wouldn't just shrug and be certain that I know the difference between the odors. We know there was an odor…this is my theory, what else could it have been? It could have been a coincidence that a raccoon or something died out near that field. They certainly didn't elaborate on the odor, or indicate if they found the source. Was SM a hunter?

BeanE suggested it could be that Breeann's body was in that field at some point. I suppose that's possible, but given that the training wheels were "planted" I'm betting something else was planted too, to try to throw off the searchers. LE even implied as much, (someone trying to hide something) so what would look like a deliberate attempt to mislead them along with the training wheels? Some kind of meat rotting out there. <shrug> It could be. If they found that, wouldn't that really give them the willies?

Regarding the other hot topic, about the possible work relationship between Breeann's father and SM, that would also connect with what her father said, about LE keeping information from him to keep him from retaliating. If he had some kind of history with SM, he might suspect him and he might be pretty quick to retaliate. <shrug> just speculation.

 

[katydid23]

My son attended the police academy in Dallas. Applying for this is quite different than applying for work in a factory. but, also they investigate the family and the family dog if they can. The background check is very extensive as it should be. ty

YES. lol They kind of did investigate the family dog because they interviewed ALL of the neighbors on our cul-de-sac, including the couple next door who hates our german shepherd.

He passed his testing and his backgrounds but he was only barely 21 so they told him to stay in school and apply again. So he got his EMT credentials and is hoping that if he has a few years of experience on a rig it will help.

It is fascinating to me that an employer is not allowed to pass along information about a previous employee. Where have I been?

 

[Pensfan]

Morgan is disabled? I missed that. What is his disability?

I said maybe he was able to find employment because there are tax credits for businesses willing to employ disabled workers. It is possible that he could be "disabled" in some way, but this is unknown. That was posted because it is rather surprising that another company would hire SM after making a bomb threat at his previous place of employment.


I know little about this subject except corporations can receive Work Opportunity Credit when they hire the disabled. The program provides eligible employers with a tax credit of up to 40% of the first $6,000 of first-year wages of a new employee if the employee is has a specific disability. An employee with a disability qualifies provided that the appropriate government agencies have certified the employee to be disabled.
http://money.cnn.com/2008/03/10/smbusiness/disabled_workers.fsb/index.htm
http://www.missouribusiness.net/irs/sections/section4/disabled.htm
http://www.ehow.com/info_8776749_tax-breaks-hiring-mentally-handicapped.html

 

[flipflop]

Update: just the facts

-BR's father left at 10am to go to auction, BR was still in bed.

-BR went outside ABOUT 11am, it was ABOUT 1130 when BR went missing, family looked for about 30 to 45 min. before calling 911 according to this link http://www.dddnews.com/story/1752168.html

-BR and her bike with training wheels went missing around noon Sat Aug 6 on Ode Johnson Road

-LE were called shortly after parents searched for about 30min

-LE sent out a reverse 911 to the community of Senath on Saturday Aug 6 exact time is unknown

-LE did door to door search Saturday Aug 6, LE were knocking on doors at 2am

-SM searched for BR with his neighbour, in neighbours truck, on Saturday Aug 6 after the neighbourhood learned of the disappearance.

-SM joined neighbourhood chat about search with neighbours on morning of Sun Aug 7

-One Training wheels was found one on tuesday Aug 9

-The 2nd training wheel and a 3rd piece of evidence was found On Wed Aug 10, LE stated it was NOT clothing. All 3 pieces of evidence were located at County Road 568 in Dunklin County which is approximately two miles southeast of Breeann's home. LE does not feel these items were there the 1st time they searched the area.

-SM was arrested and charged on Saturday Aug 13 with first-degree murder, armed criminal action and tampering with physical evidence

-As stated in the probable cause PDF SM found BR on his pool ladder and he brought her into his house and suffocated her with a plastic bag, dumped her body in the same plastic bag and threw it over the railing of along highway 164 and into a floodway ditch.
#3 in PDF is not included on page.

-Later he dismanteled her bike and dumped it in the same waterway. (This is the tampering with evidence charge)

-Bike was found where SM said he dumped it

-BR remains were found in the area of ditch 3 and 4 on Tues Aug 16 around 630pm.

-SM is married with 3 kids age ranges about 8-14. Pool in back yard.

-Neighbour MM reported in media that SM's wife and kids were away on day of disappearance (return date unknown)

-A neighbour reported in media saying FBI removed computer and bags of stuff from SM's home

-SM did not have a lawyer and did not enter a plea when he made his first court appearance Tuesday Aug 16th

-Family of SM is in the process of hiring him an attorney.

-Criminal Record - in May 2002 SM made Terroristic Threats at his place of employment - Prestolite Wire Corp. in Paragould, Ark, he served a sentence of one yr probation and fined $1000

MAP OF VARIOUS POINTS OF INTEREST IN CASE
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msid=...03211,0.006947

Let me know if you see any errors or omissions!!!

 

[don_m]

Here are a couple of pictures I took at the small park In Senath on sunday..
Don

 

[greenpalm]

It is fascinating to me that an employer is not allowed to pass along information about a previous employee. Where have I been?

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I think it's more of a liability issue than it is a "law." I think big companies would be foolish not to follow that protocol in fear of defamation suit. However, I know small family run businesses probably are more free with references and so forth. I remember when I worked at a daycare as management, we had an employee (a teacher) come back from lunch smelling of alcohol, and there was really nothing I could do, for fear of her suing us. I couldn't prove a thing.

When you fill out an application, they usually ask if you've been convicted of a felony, but misdemeanors don't even come up. SM's charges were listed as a misdemeanor, so, he was under no legal obligation to tell future employers. Also, if he was armed only with a Sharpie, and "all" he did was write his threat on the bathroom wall, that actually seems very cowardly to me. I'm sure he didn't have a bomb, or bomb making materials, otherwise the charges would have been greater. Still, he's a criminal, but writing threatening graffitti isn't the same as actually committing violence, or even planning to commit violence. It seems that until Breeann, he was all bark and no bite.

 

[PlainJaneDoe]

Here are a couple of pictures I took at the small park In Senath on sunday..
Don

Awwwwesome I never saw a moose angel before! That's too sweet. <3

 

[don_m]

I will most likely go to Senath Friday or Saturday ,,,I'll report back,
Don

 

[mck16]

YES. lol They kind of did investigate the family dog because they interviewed ALL of the neighbors on our cul-de-sac, including the couple next door who hates our german shepherd.

He passed his testing and his backgrounds but he was only barely 21 so they told him to stay in school and apply again. So he got his EMT credentials and is hoping that if he has a few years of experience on a rig it will help.

It is fascinating to me that an employer is not allowed to pass along information about a previous employee. Where have I been?

Good luck to your son. It is a great job and my son loves it. He is now a leutenant, but he misses being on the street. Great perks that go along with it too.

 

[mck16]

Respectfully snipped.

I think it's more of a liability issue than it is a "law." I think big companies would be foolish not to follow that protocol in fear of defamation suit. However, I know small family run businesses probably are more free with references and so forth. I remember when I worked at a daycare as management, we had an employee (a teacher) come back from lunch smelling of alcohol, and there was really nothing I could do, for fear of her suing us. I couldn't prove a thing.

When you fill out an application, they usually ask if you've been convicted of a felony, but misdemeanors don't even come up. SM's charges were listed as a misdemeanor, so, he was under no legal obligation to tell future employers. Also, if he was armed only with a Sharpie, and "all" he did was write his threat on the bathroom wall, that actually seems very cowardly to me. I'm sure he didn't have a bomb, or bomb making materials, otherwise the charges would have been greater. Still, he's a criminal, but writing threatening graffitti isn't the same as actually committing violence, or even planning to commit violence. It seems that until Breeann, he was all bark and no bite.

From some of the interviews I have heard I gather he and his extended family have lived in the area a long time. It may be that he knows someone at the plant that helped him get the job. jmo

 

[Starry Night]

Re this beautiful baby's funeral...........my mother once told me that it used to be that in New York City, when someone died, it was customary for the funeral procession, after leaving the Church, and on the way to the cemetery, to drive by the deceased's home and through their neighborhood. I thought that was so beautiful. Especially in a huge city. Respect and remembrance.
Rest in peace Sweet Angel.

 

[sreshowtime]

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Regarding the other hot topic, about the possible work relationship between Breeann's father and SM, that would also connect with what her father said, about LE keeping information from him to keep him from retaliating. If he had some kind of history with SM, he might suspect him and he might be pretty quick to retaliate. <shrug> just speculation.

Good catch & thought there greenpalm....it is certainly worth considering IMO, that there may be some history.'
Oh my imagination.

 

[Dee10]

Oh how I wish SM was given a psyc. evaluation in 2002 & curious why it wasn't ordered? I would have thought something that extreme would be automatic? Pensfan what are your thoughts? Another question; the seriousness of the bomb threat are you surprised that we haven't heard of other LE related / even not called in events in the 9 years since? No spousal abuse...nothing as yet. I find that surprising! Just wondering your thoughts.

 

[MarthaM]

Snipping some for length or because I'm only addressing part of a post:

Re this beautiful baby's funeral...........my mother once told me that it used to be that in New York City, when someone died, it was customary for the funeral procession, after leaving the Church, and on the way to the cemetery, to drive by the deceased's home and through their neighborhood. I thought that was so beautiful. Especially in a huge city. Respect and remembrance.

That's how it was in Chicago, too, and still is in some neighborhoods if the person's services and the cemetery are close enough to their home. It's especially common if the family has stayed in the same neighborhood they've lived in for years or for generations.

Working in personnel, at one time, when other companies call about a worker's work history we were not allowed to tell anything except yes they were employed with us at one time and how long.
Period.
Not what they were earning, not drug usage even if it was in their permanent work record etc. Nada.

Same here. Every company I've worked for limited HR to giving out dates of employment and position held. But many companies, including the one I work for now, do background checks that include the applicant's criminal background. Even so, many companies don't hold that against a potential employee; it just depends on the circumstances and details.

Do you suppose SM, could have, along with the training wheels, thrown some raw chicken or something out in that field? Maybe that's one of the pieces of evidence that was found? Something that would start to decompose and smell, in an effort to mislead LE deliberately?

I think that it's very possible that the LE official (I can't remember his name) said 'odor' instead of 'scent' and that it was probably not related to decomposition.

With #3 on the probable cause missing, (LE doesnt want us to know something yet that they knew when they released the rest of the info) his computer was taken from his home, (Im guessing they found pics of BR or kiddie or both) I think there is much more to this story.

I'm not sure #3 is missing. I think that long paragraph with the details is #3 and that the number was just deleted when typing it up. I looked at a lot of other Probable Cause Affidavits from MO and even that county, and the info on this one looks pretty much like any of the others. There doesn't seem to be a standard form and that each LE agency uses their own. I could be wrong like anybody else, but I just think the affidavit is complete as is.

 

[MarthaM]

I might be the only one who thinks this, but I really don't see much (if any) significance to the terrorist/bomb threat part of hs background. I would find it more significant if he acted violently at a daycare center or a petting zoo or something like that, but not so much against a single child in very different circumstances.

 

[lauriej]

I might be the only one who thinks this, but I really don't see much (if any) significance to the terrorist/bomb threat part of hs background. I would find it more significant if he acted violently at a daycare center or a petting zoo or something like that, but not so much against a single child in very different circumstances.

..i agree martha.

..also---his "message" threats-----left in the bathroom for all to see/hear about, was the act of a chicken-coward, wanting to see how the 4 people he singled out would react.

..he was never going to bomb the place.

..what would be informative------is if we knew WHY he targeted "those particular 4 people".