MO - Elizabeth Olten, 9, St Martin's, 21 Oct 2009 #13

[LadyBug99]

May I ask, who decides if & when Alyssa is rehabilitated? Obviously the last 3 or so years of therapy & medication have not helped her. When do we as a public get to say that these people are dangerous. She has killed pretty much just for sh*ts and giggles, according to her.. How do you fix that?? She seems to be a manipulator, people around her never knew the serious state of her mental health, including her doctors, friends, or family.... Has anyone even found out what her actual diagnosis was? What if in 10, 15, or 20 years someone decides Alyssa is now fine? Then they release her and she kills again? It's happened numerous times, not only with killers, but rapists too.

Rehabilitaion has worked as well so we cannot dismiss that as a possiblity.

 

[LadyBug99]

Also, In AB's case she is a teenager and we don't know what her mental capacity is. She has been diagnosed as "depressed". In my opinion that is obviously not a correct or true diagnosis. She very well may have been treated for 2+ years. But was she getting the help, therapy and/or drugs that she needed. It's apparent that she was not. Perhaps now she can be properly diagnosed and treated. If that “works” then I believe there is hope for rehabilitation. MOO.

 

[Jodibug]

Just curious, How do we know the gender of Jan King? When the PD was first appointed I tried to find out, but I failed lol

I've met Mr King a few times... he is a guy.

 

[danni]

We obviously have a difference of opinion and different levels of compassion when it comes to the desire to rehabilitate over incarcerate and that is ok, I am trying not to turn this in to a flame fest but just for your information she may NOT be put away the rest of her life:

See: Graham v. Florida and Sullivan v. Florida these cases are currently before the Supreme Court and deal with whether its in violation of the 8th amendment for someone under the age of 18 can be sentenced to LWOP.

That being the case I prefer people like AB, as young as they are, get rehabilitated instead of locked up and forgotten, thats just who I am and I tend to have compassion for people like her and do not get any pleasure at the thought of locking her up and throwing away the key.

TY AE.

I did not state MY OPINION of her treatment or rather lack there of to start trouble or for it to be debated.
The compassion I have for a murderer is NONE. I guess the fact that I have dealt with the loss of a child, I know what it is like to have to bury a child. not fun at all.
I never said she WAS going to be put away for any length of time I said I HOPE she is put away for life.

I also don't care what has happened in other cases, it matters to me what is going to happen in THIS case. Simply because if and when she is ever let out it will be to live very close to what I call home. She is not someone that I want living anywhere near my family! EVER no matter what or how much treatment she gets, no matter what medication she is on or how much "fixing" she gets! doesn't matter.

My opinion still stands.
Now if you want my brutally honest opinoin, I wish they would give her a couple bed sheets and let her do the job herself.

 

[LadyBug99]

I did not state MY OPINION of her treatment or rather lack there of to start trouble or for it to be debated.
The compassion I have for a murderer is NONE. I guess the fact that I have dealt with the loss of a child, I know what it is like to have to bury a child. not fun at all.
I never said she WAS going to be put away for any length of time I said I HOPE she is put away for life.

I also don't care what has happened in other cases, it matters to me what is going to happen in THIS case. Simply because if and when she is ever let out it will be to live very close to what I call home. She is not someone that I want living anywhere near my family! EVER no matter what or how much treatment she gets, no matter what medication she is on or how much "fixing" she gets! doesn't matter.

My opinion still stands.
Now if you want my brutally honest opinoin, I wish they would give her a couple bed sheets and let her do the job herself.

I can understand where you are coming from and thank you for your opinion! I have had to bury a brother as well, I'm sure that doesn't compare to losing a child. But very hard nonetheless. I'm sorry for you loss.

 

[PAXIMUS]

I did not state MY OPINION of her treatment or rather lack there of to start trouble or for it to be debated.
The compassion I have for a murderer is NONE. I guess the fact that I have dealt with the loss of a child, I know what it is like to have to bury a child. not fun at all.
I never said she WAS going to be put away for any length of time I said I HOPE she is put away for life.

I also don't care what has happened in other cases, it matters to me what is going to happen in THIS case. Simply because if and when she is ever let out it will be to live very close to what I call home. She is not someone that I want living anywhere near my family! EVER no matter what or how much treatment she gets, no matter what medication she is on or how much "fixing" she gets! doesn't matter.

My opinion still stands.
Now if you want my brutally honest opinoin, I wish they would give her a couple bed sheets and let her do the job herself.

And with that I think it may be time for me to move on to another thread.

 

[hellinor]

I guess the fact that I have dealt with the loss of a child, I know what it is like to have to bury a child. not fun at all.

My condolences Danni, you must be a very strong person.

 

[danni]

My condolences Danni, you must be a very strong person.

thank you!
But this isn't about me.
I feel for Elizabeth's mother the same way others felt for me.

 

[LadyBug99]

thank you!
But this isn't about me.
I feel for Elizabeth's mother the same way others felt for me.

Perhaps that is not expressed enough here on this thread. Elizabeth's mother and family have always been in my thoughts and prayers. Few can imagine what they're going through. Holidays will forever be some of the hardest days of their lives. I pray they have the love and support they need to get them through these difficult times!

 

[JLMcKenna83]

Perhaps that is not expressed enough here on this thread. Elizabeth's mother and family have always been in my thoughts and prayers. Few can imagine what they're going through. Holidays will forever be some of the hardest days of their lives. I pray they have the love and support they need to get them through these difficult times!

My heart aches for Elizabeth's family. To not only loose a child, but the fact that their child was killed by someone who was supposed to pretty much be a friend. To know that your beautiful daughter was murdered by someone who she trusted enough to go to one of the places she was so afraid of.. It's heartbreaking.

I do also feel for the littlest B. child... Elizabeth's friend.. her big sister murdered her friend... how that will ever affect that little girl, only time will tell. But my guess is that she will need some help in the future, to not only help her understand, but also to help her grieve properly.

It's sad to think that this has shattered so many lives.

 

[Dal Gal]

The lost opportunity for the mind of a killer to be studied is the very reason it P***ES me off when a killer commits suicide. Think of the progress LE and School Administrators may have made in prevention of tragedies, if we'd only had the chance to study the Columbine Killing cowards!

 

[I AM THE 14 CAR]

They probably sent her there for evaluation, which could have come out either way....that she WAS mentally capable or WAS NOT.

We can't assume we know which way that came out.

Ive been trying to figure this out. The way I understand this , is AB was sent to the mental what-ever-you-wanna-call-it because she was suicidal, depressed & needed treatment. She was to be there no more that XX amount of hours (cant remember that exact # from the docs).

I understood the docs to read that this trip was NOT for a legal "evaluation".

Did I read this doc wrong ?

http://www.colecountycourts.com/courtnews.htm

 

[mominjc]

Did anyone notice on the documents posted on cole county they have AB SSN and cell phone number listed? I think those should be blacked out.

Update: I just called & asked for this info to be blacked out now, but I saved the document first!

 

[JLMcKenna83]

Did anyone notice on the documents posted on cole county they have AB SSN and cell phone number listed? I think those should be blacked out.

I saw that her SSN were blacked out on the arrest warrants... where do you see them?

 

[I AM THE 14 CAR]

Did anyone notice on the documents posted on cole county they have AB SSN and cell phone number listed? I think those should be blacked out.

The only one I recall having info on it , the SS was blacked out...but that was one of the 1rst docs, I think.

I guess I didnt notice it...looks like the clerk would have handled that...or whoever.

 

[mominjc]

I saw that her SSN were blacked out on the arrest warrants... where do you see them?

Offense Cycle report
SSN is in the top right hand side of report under offense cycle number.
The phone number is under "residence" it lists
626 Lomo Dr
cole county, MO 65109 026....the next number starting with 573 is a phone number.
026 is the code for cole county when filing your taxes.

 

[bigflaw]

Offense Cycle report
SSN is in the top right hand side of report under offense cycle number.
The phone number is under "residence" it lists
626 Lomo Dr
cole county, MO 65109 026....the next number starting with 573 is a phone number.
026 is the code for cole county when filing your taxes.

Oops! A local should call. That's not good.

 

[mominjc]

Oops! A local should call. That's not good.

I just called Marilue and told her. She said THANK YOU!
PS...I save the report before I called though! hehehe

 

[vjlaw]

I wonder if the arresting deputy whose last name is Bemboom is related to the man who was mentioned as Elizabeth's "honorary dad". His last name is Bemboon also.

 

[LadyBug99]

I just called Marilue and told her. She said THANK YOU!
PS...I save the report before I called though! hehehe

So did I = )