MO - Elizabeth Olten, 9, St Martin's, 21 Oct 2009 #4

[Deleted member 718]

Another strange coincidence; remember the song "Alyssa lies" about the little girl who lied about her bruises from child abuse.

YouTube - Alyssa Lies Child Abuse Video

 

[3dogmom]

That Kareoke was horrible.

 

[CementPond]

Going on the info that AB called E back after she had already started for home.....

Is it possible, I wonder, that AB called E and told her that her friend (E's friend, the one she had been playing with at the house) had ran out and gone missing and AB wanted E to help her find her/him?

Like maybe AB called E and said something like "so-and-so just ran out of the house and headed to the woods. He/she was upset/mad/whatever. Please come back and help me find him/her (not sure if the friend she was visiting was a boy or girl)?" And maybe that's why E went back. Providing of course she was called back in the first place. Just a thought.

 

[3dogmom]

I just want to say, IF she was a cutter, that has nothing to do with being violent to others. It also has NOTHING to do with being suicidal or homicidal.

Cutters cut to divert their inner pain onto something they can heal. Healing a physical wound is much easier than an emotional one. Cutters do not cut to die, and most of them do not do it for attention. Actually it is kept hidden.

 

[akashana]

Re her alleged cutting, I wonder if her comment that she almost died last night could be a reference to cutting herself too deeply that night and requiring medical attention. Also I think that the emoticon was supposed to look like somebody dead. You know how in cartoon, if somebody is dead they have X's on their eyes? And the tongue may be sticking out?

 

[tlcya]

BTW folks. Finally managed to get logged in over at twitter and as for AB's tweets I didn't find them all that dark or ominous. I saw a 15 year old girl. I remember that age. We all tried to out-angst one another (at least me and my friends did)

 

[Jules71]

Going on the info that AB called E back after she had already started for home.....

Is it possible, I wonder, that AB called E and told her that her friend (E's friend, the one she had been playing with at the house) had ran out and gone missing and AB wanted E to help her find her/him?

Like maybe AB called E and said something like "so-and-so just ran out of the house and headed to the woods. He/she was upset/mad/whatever. Please come back and help me find him/her (not sure if the friend she was visiting was a boy or girl)?" And maybe that's why E went back. Providing of course she was called back in the first place. Just a thought.

Very good possibility.

 

[3dogmom]

Re her alleged cutting, I wonder if her comment that she almost died last night could be a reference to cutting herself too deeply that night and requiring medical attention. Also I think that the emoticon was supposed to look like somebody dead. You know how in cartoon, if somebody is dead they have X's on their eyes? And the tongue may be sticking out?

No, cutters do not do that.

 

[Bibliophile]

In addition, why would they have been questioning RSOs if they knew right away?

Many, many experienced law enforcement officers and investigators have a very well honed sense of who the criminal may be before they get the evidence to act on it and place them under arrest.

At the same time, its important that they leave no stone unturned and continue searching. It would be negligent not to.

Once they had the solid, written evidence to confront her with, it was a done deal within just a few hours.

 

[Deleted member 718]

http://marinadedave.wordpress.com/2009/10/29/elizabeth-oltens-killer-identified/#comments

 

[3dogmom]

Re her alleged cutting, I wonder if her comment that she almost died last night could be a reference to cutting herself too deeply that night and requiring medical attention. Also I think that the emoticon was supposed to look like somebody dead. You know how in cartoon, if somebody is dead they have X's on their eyes? And the tongue may be sticking out?

I think her "almost died" had to do with either a vehicle situation or something like that.


People who cut, do not advertise it, and people who attempt suicide do not either.

It is a personal pain and not shared with anyone.

 

[akashana]

No, cutters do not do that.

Don't do what, cut too deeply? I respectfully disagree. I know a woman who se 13-year old daughter nicked her femoral artery and almost bled out in her closet. Her brother happened to walk in looking for a CD and found her or she would have died. She didn't mean to do it, and was trying to cut high up on the leg so as not to be noticeable.

Kids are kids. They don't realize what they are doing a lot of the time.

 

[Jules71]

That Kareoke was horrible.

Did you all notice the comment on there that said "great job sis". Could this be an older sister? I do find someone in MO with that name.

 

[3dogmom]

Don't do what, cut too deeply? I respectfully disagree. I know a woman who se 13-year old daughter nicked her femoral artery and almost bled out in her closet. Her brother happened to walk in looking for a CD and found her or she would have died. She didn't mean to do it, and was trying to cut high up on the leg so as not to be noticeable.

Kids are kids. They don't realize what they are doing a lot of the time.

But IF that were the case, she wouldn't advertise it. Trust me. I was a cutter. I didn't start until I was 25. But even if I was 15, it is nothing to be proud of.

 

[danni]

as far as her having help, I said it before and I will say it again I think she would have puked that information up quicker than they could have asked her about any help she might of had. She couldn't even keep it quiet what SHE herself did how is she going to keep quiet about what someone else helped her do.

for those ONLY wanting FACTS: only the offender and the victim truely know EXACLTY what happen and sadly one of those two is not here to speak about it. So we are leaving it up to the offender to inform LE of what she did to this innocent little nine year old. As far as facts in this case, we know that the body of EO was found and that a 15 year old is in custody. FACTUALLY we don't even know if that 15 year old is male or female (yes I know media has released that it is a female but did that info come from LE?). We know that le was given a written statement that lead them to the offender and that the offender then lead them to the body.

 

[tlcya]

http://marinadedave.wordpress.com/2009/10/29/elizabeth-oltens-killer-identified/#comments

thanks for the link. However, anyone else notice that the MS page that is listed in the comment section shows AB's last login to MySpace as today??? How exactly is that possible?

I dunno what to think.

 

[danni]

After seeing that on her myspace, and the comment left on the media site earlier I am puzzled!

 

[Deleted member 718]

Maybe is LE checking to see her friends activity.

 

[Ike83]

. . .As far as facts in this case, we know that the body of EO was found and that a 15 year old is in custody. FACTUALLY we don't even know if that 15 year old is male or female (yes I know media has released that it is a female but did that info come from LE?). We know that le was given a written statement that lead them to the offender and that the offender then lead them to the body.

http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/2009/oct/27/15-year-old-faces-hearings-in-girls-death/
"Couty said the juvenile, identified by another official as female, has met with her family and her lawyer, Kurt Valentine. Couty declined to say where she is being held or describe her demeanor."

 

[danni]

Ok so fact is 15 female. :woohoo: