MO - Elizabeth Olten, 9, St Martin's, 21 Oct 2009 #5

[Prof]

I thought she once lived in an upscale neighborhood in La Jolla, CA? Or am I confused with another case?

The perp's grandparents lived in CA, and have quite a bit of family around CA, southern and central. It appears that the gf has a sister in La Jolla. I can only see property records for gf and previous wife, and gf and bio gm in central/northern California. I think the gf divorced his previous wife in 1988. I could be wrong there. I know someone here has the marriage record of the gps.

 

[danni]

Elizabeth loved horses. Maybe she was over at the neighbors' house more to see the horses than to play with the 6-year-old girl. I would have done the same thing when I was a horse-crazy kid.

There are lots of reason she COULD have been there this being one.

I know the neighbor girl, eight, comes to my house to play just about every day after school. My children are 5, 2, and 5 months. There is only one other family in the area with kids around her age and NO one in the apartment complex allows their children to go over there to play.

If there was no one else in the are that had children then maybe these (AB's brothers and sister) were the only kids to play with.

Kinda like "beggars can't be choosers"!

 

[Jules71]

Above snipped and bolded by me;
Just throwing in my own experience here - I lived in a neighborhood where we were all very close and all of our kids would play together sun up to sun down. Even the parents would! The kids were ages 1 1/2 to 14 at the time. It was great! My now 9 year old daughter still plays dollies, Barbies and Polly so I'm not surprised that E would play with someone 6 years old at all.

I agree. I don't find it odd a 9 yo would play with a 6 yo. A lot of kids for various reasons get along better with kids who are older or younger than they do with peers the same age. My kid is that way.

 

[Jules71]

Also, did anyone else notice that the pool shown on youtube was at the old house (the one built in 1962)? You can see from the video that the pool looks on to the big garage or shed type building (stables)? I wonder who lives in the old house, or if they use both?

 

[lawlady84]

From the guardianship records (before they were pulled), there were 2 addresses listed for the grandparents house. One 600something, one 200something. I thought it was weird, but I checked the property records and they own 2 parcels of land. One had the house & lake, the other was just land. I believe from reading here the new house was built technically on the other parcel of land so it would have different numbering.

 

[Prof]

Did anyone see Nancy Grace the last night she covered this? I thought the producer said AB was at the house when E was visiting. And also I thought I read on some of the info they were giving at the time, that Elizabeth left and AB called her back to invite her back.

I did not watch it, but you can find the show on youtube. Did they discuss the specifics of the phone calls? Who made the call to whom? I know that almost everything reported on that show is followed by the disclaimer: LE will not confirm this. The rumor that AB lured Elizabeth back is a fairly recent one, and it has not been confirmed by anyone. I have to constantly keep in mind, that LE has released very little information to the press.

We need a FAQ facts list

 

[la_cavalière]

This must be so traumatic the 6-year-old girl, knowing her own sister killed her friend. Do you think the two sisters were close? I heard they were half-sisters.

 

[nursebeeme]

http://abc.go.com/watch/primetime-crime/218130/234256/jails-that-treat-kids-like-kids

very good show video (40 minutes) on abc about the controversial juvie system in MO

***if you don't have the abc full episode player you may be prompted to download it

eta: it is about the "alternate" prisons they use for teens and how well they seem to work

 

[danni]

This must be so traumatic the 6-year-old girl, knowing her own sister killed her friend. Do you think the two sisters were close? I heard they were half-sisters.

They were half sisters, I am going to venture a guess and say that NO the two girls were NOT close. She didn't seen to WANT to be around anyone that did not have the same point of view as she did. With "hobbies" like killing people and cutting, I don't know that her six year old sister would be her "buddy".
She also did not like anyone with athority, I am going to guess again that six year old mad maybe even the elevin year olds did not share this same point of view thus she wasn't close to any of them.

 

[Raebie]

I read that the old house was what they used for the daycare.

 

[Prof]

I think I read on an official report that she was going to revert back to a public defender--that she didn't have money, but yeah--it looks like she had a financially comfortable life.

It is interesting that the gps have not hired a lawyer for her.

 

[vjlaw]

I did not watch it, but you can find the show on youtube. Did they discuss the specifics of the phone calls? Who made the call to whom? I know that almost everything reported on that show is followed by the disclaimer: LE will not confirm this. The rumor that AB lured Elizabeth back is a fairly recent one, and it has not been confirmed by anyone. I have to constantly keep in mind, that LE has released very little information to the press.

We need a FAQ facts list

True, but LE hasn't confirmed anything at all to speak of. So No matter where it comes from, it is all not LE confirmed.

 

[Jules71]

From the guardianship records (before they were pulled), there were 2 addresses listed for the grandparents house. One 600something, one 200something. I thought it was weird, but I checked the property records and they own 2 parcels of land. One had the house & lake, the other was just land. I believe from reading here the new house was built technically on the other parcel of land so it would have different numbering.

Yes, the new white house built in 2007 has an address in the 200's.

 

[nursebeeme]

It is interesting that the gps have not hired a lawyer for her.

the way the media has been in this case they could have and we just don't know it! LOL

 

[vjlaw]

It is interesting that the gps have not hired a lawyer for her.

Luke Valentine is the name of the lawyer in the hearing the other day. He is not a public defender, but that doesn't mean the gps hired him or he is doing pro bono for the juvie hearings.

 

[Jules71]

They were half sisters, I am going to venture a guess and say that NO the two girls were NOT close. She didn't seen to WANT to be around anyone that did not have the same point of view as she did. With "hobbies" like killing people and cutting, I don't know that her six year old sister would be her "buddy".
She also did not like anyone with athority, I am going to guess again that six year old mad maybe even the elevin year olds did not share this same point of view thus she wasn't close to any of them.

The 6 yo little sister was in the pool with them in the youtube video. I think the twin brothers looked up to her. They seemed very influenced by AB.

 

[Prof]

From the guardianship records (before they were pulled), there were 2 addresses listed for the grandparents house. One 600something, one 200something. I thought it was weird, but I checked the property records and they own 2 parcels of land. One had the house & lake, the other was just land. I believe from reading here the new house was built technically on the other parcel of land so it would have different numbering.

Not all of the records were pulled, and both addresses are listed under the gm's name.

 

[jojobatgirl]

This must be so traumatic the 6-year-old girl, knowing her own sister killed her friend. Do you think the two sisters were close? I heard they were half-sisters.

ITA. Here's hoping she doesnt turn out like AB :-(

 

[Money Girl]

I thought she once lived in an upscale neighborhood in La Jolla, CA? Or am I confused with another case?

Was AB born in CA?

 

[danni]

http://abc.go.com/watch/primetime-crime/218130/234256/jails-that-treat-kids-like-kids

very good show video (40 minutes) on abc about the controversial juvie system in MO

***if you don't have the abc full episode player you may be prompted to download it

eta: it is about the "alternate" prisons they use for teens and how well they seem to work

Troubled teens, ok. i would much rather get these kids when they are young and "treat" the problems they deal with and keep them out of adult prisons.

Murders? NO! They acted adult like, they need to be treated adult like!