MO - Elizabeth Olten, 9, St Martin's, 21 Oct 2009 #7

[Raebie]

ILC, do you know if the family has a clue about motive or if Elizabeth was targeted...or was this just a spur of the moment thing?

 

[vjlaw]

I bet she really did want to take a shower after what she did!!

 

[MsWinter]

MsWinter,

Welcome. I am so glad you decided to come out of hiding. No need to be shy we love new people

Thank you for the update from Nancy's page. The only problem I have with it is this person writing to Nancy might actually be a 56 year old man named Bubba and not a young person. That's why I take postings from other sites or Facebook with a bit of a grain of salt BUT, you can glean some valuable info sometimes from other postings. It is just so hard to tell.

I am not trying to discourage you at all. I am thrilled you are here with us. Keep on posting because that is what it is about.

Thanks. And of course it's always possible it's a fake account and best to take thse things with a grain of salt. However if you click on her name to go to her page, she does have AB on her friends list and looks like she has a similar sense of style to AB in her profile pic, so it looked fairly legit to me.

She's been really active on Nancy's page lately, getting really upset with people who are talking bad about AB.

 

[akashana]

I have a source I trust. My source has a source and this is how I came to receive this information.

Nothing is a 100 percent guarantee but I am going to put this out there for you to decide.

According to my source;

*The last entry in AB’s diary was: “I should have gone to church.”

*AB dug two graves the week before

*A silk scarf was used.

Let me stress again, this came from a source's source. The only time I will solidly confirm something is if I see it with my own eyes. In this case I felt good enough about my source to post it. We'll see if it turns out to be true.

Tricia
PS. Then again with how I get so far behind this might be old news.
Carry on.

MY BOLD

Twin graves, perhaps?

 

[vjlaw]

ILC, do you have any idea what time LE came to the GPs house on Wed. night to find out if they knew what happened to EO?

 

[Dal Gal]

Thanks. And of course it's always possible it's a fake account and best to take thse things with a grain of salt. However if you click on her name to go to her page, she does have AB on her friends list and looks like she has a similar sense of style to AB in her profile pic, so it looked fairly legit to me.

She's been really active on Nancy's page lately, getting really upset with people who are talking bad about AB.

A cousin of EO's has been posting on Nancy's FB page also. I get the sense that they are legit -- I just feel terrible that these young kids who are so close to the people involved are running amok in cyber-space where they see unmoderated smack talk. They get VERY upset, and rightfully so!

 

[celticthyme]

I want to get some opinions from others on something.

AB leads her sister up towards the house sometime between 6 and 6:15. She then goes back to meet EO. Do you believe that she had enough time to get EO to the grave, murder her, mutilate her body if the rumors are correct, bury her, clean up and make it the house before 7ish. The fact that they were playing in the woods makes it slightly more believable because she may not of had to drag her far. However, I am conflicted on whether or not I believe she could have done this in the given timeframe. If not, then I would have to believe someone else is involved.

Lastly, ILC says that the grandparents have been very helpful in the case. However, if you granddaughter was in the woods near the time of disappearance (the grandparents knew about this because the 6 yr. old told them AB and her were in the woods), wouldn't there be a lot of questioning AB. Not necessarily in suspision, but in curiosity. Did you see anything in the woods? Where were you in the woods? Did you here any screams? Maybe this occured and AB is a very good liar.

If she used the scarf to strangle her, put her in the grave, cutting the throat and stabbing could happen in a matter of a few short minutes. I think it is possible in that short period of time and we do not know when AB actually showed up back at the house . . Elizabeth's family could have begun looking for her without anyone knowing that AB was involved

 

[Jules71]

I was told they were there within 10 -20 minutes of R getting home at 6:30ish.

SO LE was there around 6:40 -6:50 pm? Wasn't that before the call to LE was made at 7?

 

[Capri]

I was told they were there within 10 -20 minutes of R getting home at 6:30ish.

R is the aunt's hubby, right?

 

[iamhere]

SO LE was there around 6:40 -6:50 pm? Wasn't that before the call to LE was made at 7?

I am also confused by this. We know from LE and media quotes that the police were called around 7. It would then take them 5 minutes to arrive at EO's house. They would talk to her for a short time before going to AB's house.

ILC, Did the family go to vist EO's family before or after the police came to AB's house? I was originally under the impression it was before, but the last bit of info confused me.

 

[akashana]

Just spoke to my source.

Supposedly, AB dug the second grave because she didn't like the first one.

Now, if this is true and this is what she told Law Enforcement I would say it is a load of garbage. I think she absolutely had a second victim in mind and just said this to keep the heat off of her.

Think how hard it is to dig something deep enough to bury a body. Damn it is hard. Now think about doing it AGAIN because you didn't like the first one. Doesn't make sense.

ITA. Digging a grave is hard work. My biggest dog died last month, and I couldn't dig it alone. I live in LA where the soil is rather soft, but I broke the shovel handle digging. I had to call my daughter's boyfriend to help me. She was a pretty big dog, about 65#, but still not as large as a person. If she went to all that work, she had a dark plan for somebody else also!

 

[Jules71]

Can we sleuth the boyfriend of AB?

 

[vjlaw]

ILC, just wondering if the guardian was present when AB was being questioned....meaning she had to sit there and hear what AB had done. Must have been excrutiating to hear.

 

[Jules71]

SO LE was there around 6:40 -6:50 pm? Wasn't that before the call to LE was made at 7?

ILC responded to this by saying in his opinion his friend saying 6:30 could really mean anywhere from 6:30-6:45. Where did his post go? Did he delete it????

 

[Jules71]

I am also confused by this. We know from LE and media quotes that the police were called around 7. It would then take them 5 minutes to arrive at EO's house. They would talk to her for a short time before going to AB's house.

ILC, Did the family go to vist EO's family before or after the police came to AB's house? I was originally under the impression it was before, but the last bit of info confused me.

ILC responded to this by saying they went to EO's house after LE came. That post is gone too!!

 

[Tricia]

Can we sleuth the boyfriend of AB?

You can do whatever you like but if this person is a minor I would appreciate it if you would not bring the information to Websleuths. This poor kid more than likely is an innocent person but guilty by association. His world is hell right now I would bet.

 

[MsWinter]

Can we sleuth the boyfriend of AB?

I've heard his initials are DN, but I've had no luck. I might've misread something earlier, but does he share the same first name with victim's father?

 

[Jules71]

I am also confused by this. We know from LE and media quotes that the police were called around 7. It would then take them 5 minutes to arrive at EO's house. They would talk to her for a short time before going to AB's house.

ILC, Did the family go to vist EO's family before or after the police came to AB's house? I was originally under the impression it was before, but the last bit of info confused me.

ILC responded to this by saying they went to EO's house after LE came. That post is gone too!!

 

[Ilovecookies]

ILC responded to this by saying in his opinion his friend saying 6:30 could really mean anywhere from 6:30-6:45. Where did his post go? Did he delete it????

I deleted both posts because my times were wrong, I went back and looked at my texts in my phone (I only get one or two a day) and the one that said "I'm home" wasn't from my friend like i thought it was.

 

[Capri]

Can we sleuth the boyfriend of AB?

we can't post anything here. He's 16.