MO - Elizabeth Olten, 9, St Martin's, 21 Oct 2009 #7

[mia g]

Sorry if I've missed this info in past posts. But do we know what religion the family was? I'm thinking Catholics are the only ones who go in the mornings... Not sure though.

From what I have read I am pretty sure she was Mormon.

 

[Velouria]

That is what one of the things that I counted as average teen girl. But you could be onto another one if she acted "devout" when at church or temple. A poster said that some of the group of church girls that she knows is very upset. They said she was upset b/c they felt used and betrayed. I think it was said b/c they drove her back and forth to church and thought she was like them and after AB did this she feels she was "posing" by pretending to be like them. I can't quite spit out what I am trying to say but I hope you get the idea.

"He or she may appear friendly and considerate, but these attributes are usually superficial. They are used as a way of blinding the other person to the personal agenda behind the sociopath’s behaviour."

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-a-sociopath.htm

 

[crimecurious]

From what I have read I am pretty sure she was Mormon.

You're probably right. If they were Catholic, they'd prob go to the Cath School. I was on the JCPS site, but they don't list religious organizations who meet there. If she was possibly going to school early in the mornings with a ride from friends, that may explain why she said she was in "class" the morning of the murder on her Twitter. And I bet the religious orgs have access to puters...

 

[Jamiejy]

I apologize if this is info that was previously posted... i haven't had time to keep up lately!
This comment was posted on true crime report . com to the story "15-year old girl charged with Elizabeth Olten's murder" I wasn't able to verify "kevin"'s comment about the friends. Maybe another sleuther can...

Kevin said:
I hope that the authorities in Washington will begin to look seriously at Alyssa's freakish myspace friends from that region of the country.
Investigators might begin to look at the disapperance of 10 year old Lindsey Baum from Washington in an entirely different light. Who would of thought of 15 to 17 year old girls as potential culprits in this disappearance?
http://lindseybaum.com/
Alyssa's "dark" and "emo" freaks live in Forks, WA and Lacey, WA. Is this a mere coincidence?



Posted 11/04/2009 at 04:34:56 PM

Thank You for posting this, it could very well be a good thing for LE to look into. Nothing surprises me these days

 

[bigflaw]

Thank You for posting this, it could very well be a good thing for LE to look into. Nothing surprises me these days

I apologize if this is info that was previously posted... i haven't had time to keep up lately!
This comment was posted on true crime report . com to the story "15-year old girl charged with Elizabeth Olten's murder" I wasn't able to verify "kevin"'s comment about the friends. Maybe another sleuther can...

Kevin said:
I hope that the authorities in Washington will begin to look seriously at Alyssa's freakish myspace friends from that region of the country.
Investigators might begin to look at the disapperance of 10 year old Lindsey Baum from Washington in an entirely different light. Who would of thought of 15 to 17 year old girls as potential culprits in this disappearance?
http://lindseybaum.com/
Alyssa's "dark" and "emo" freaks live in Forks, WA and Lacey, WA. Is this a mere coincidence?



Posted 11/04/2009 at 04:34:56 PM

Forks, WA is from the series Twilight... Think this has been mentioned. They are all from MO I am pretty sure.

 

[Prof]

Respectfully snipped

Bingo! And you've hit precisely on the very thing that troubles me most about the reports that AB was treated at a local hospital for suicidal and homicidal ideation prior to her transfer to the custody of the GP. She continued to have unfettered access to the internet, not to mention unsupervised time with her brothers and other children.

Didn't ILC say that the daycare had ceased operation a few months ago? I wonder if there could be a correlation there...

I agree that this child was relatively unsupervised, which I find upsetting since it seems that the gps were in the business of supervising children --Velouria, was this "reports that AB was treated at a local hospital for suicidal and homicidal ideation prior to her transfer to the custody of the GP." an ILC report, or some other local's report? Do we have a WS link for the "report" (which I have to assume is a post here) on AB treated at a local hospital, and that she was transfered from the hospital to the custody of gps?

Thanks!

 

[Prof]

Sorry. I know who Grandpa's employer is, but have no clue of his schedule.

I had heard (on WS) that grandpa sometimes worked out of town, but of course originally I was hearing that grandpa sent Elizabeth home that night.

So I have no idea if he was there or not.

But I can tell you that my husband is working out of town this week and I would definitely notice if his car was gone. Granted our property and home are not as large as AB's, but I still think I would notice.

Personally, if I had a missing teen (like when they found out AB was not in class and couldnt' find her) I would probably check for the cars first.... but then again, my own sister is one of the teens that I know of who stole mom & dad's truck before she had her liscense. LOL (Unfortunately for her we lived across the street from a deputy sheriff and she only made it about a block before he spotted her, and he knew she didn't have a liscense.)

Bolded by me -- I know I remember reading this, and I am fairly certain it was in a news source -- I am discovering that some of what I read since the case broke ---original artilces from local papers - has been edited out or altered in some way -- My post yesterday showed a quote from Sheriff White in a local news source that has dissappeard from the original source, but can be found in blogs all over the internet

White said Elizabeth spoke with her parents on the phone before she left her friend's house.

"Her parents said she should leave and get home," he told Fox.

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Excerpted from http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,569338,00.html on October 23, 2009 (now gone from article)


Does anyone have any clues on where the "grandfather sent her home" statements came from?

I am still curious about the timelline and all of the discrepencies involving just who knew where any of these children were

Of course my guess is that the original reports were correct


UPDATE -- I found where the "grandfather sent her home" statement came from The day after Elizabeth went missing (10/22) it was posted as a comment on Topix by someone who knew Elizabeth's mother - She was arguing against posters who were blaming the mother for the child being missing, as she let her walk home -- she asserts that Elizabeth's mother did not know E had been sent home by "him" the "grandparent"

 

[Csquare]

Conflicting reports. Seems funny that one news source says one thing and another says something somewhat different.
I think I am leaning to the fact that the GF told EO to go home.

 

[tgrlaw]

And I read a comment from a friend of AB: "She attended seminary every morning, church every sunday, and events of the stake."

Another aspect to her personality.

Narcissists have to keep up appearances. (See my previous post about Malignant Narcissism). She may not have wanted to get caught, but I believe she wanted to be noticed.

 

[Jamiejy]

MY BOLD

Initially when this began there was speculation that she may have been into the "jugalo/juggalette" subculture of ICP (Insane Clown Posse). The most recent picture, IMHO, indicates she may have been. And there are frequent mentions of "wooot wooot," the juggalo call, on AB's pages and those of her friends. I am in no way an expert on this subculture, but I have known kids who identified with it. For most it was just a phase of their alienated adolescence, but a son of a friend of mine who was into it heavily later killed himself. The mom was a very strict parent - not in a good way - and had him taken off to one of those boot camp-like training programs out of the country. He hanged himself years later, not as a (direct) result of that, or of the juggalo scene.

I think that she did identify with the horrorcore music, and the movies, and maybe because she had a bad early upbringing, it contributed to where she now is.

.+

If you go to youtube and search for juggalo/juggalette you can kinda get a more understanding about this scene and music. I could see AB being into this

 

[Mom who cares]

ILC you are a jerk

 

[Prof]

Conflicting reports. Seems funny that one news source says one thing and another says something somewhat different.
I think I am leaning to the fact that the GF told EO to go home.

I found the "gf sent her home" theory not in an article from a news source, but in a comment on an article just now -- the commenter is defending E's mother (I tend to believe her, in that what she heard from her source)

 

[LadyRider]

Figured you out long time ago

 

[Jules71]

Hmmmm. I guess a lot of our intuition about you was correct! You didn't fool everyone pal! And what kind of motivation would you have to do something like this. I wonder if by this last post, you are not trying to cover your tracks even further.

 

[Dal Gal]

A classmate of AB said something on NG facebook blog that got misinterpreted, and she got verbally attacked by some cretins that post over there. Consequently, the girl's mom came on to clarify what her daughter was trying to tell them:

"I'm xxxxxx's mom and we were there we arrived one hour after Elizabeth was to arrive home, we spoke directly to elizabeths mom and family, she told us she called to ask the family to send her home and they said ok. Her daughter never made her way home. That's when she called to report her missing."

I have to run some errands, but I see from above that the "skipping school" thing is indeed now invalidated. Jodibug was right!

 

[Csquare]

Who cares. You are what I call an attention . If you get banned trolls like you come back again and again. Why disrupt a meaningful site with your meaningless BS?

 

[Deleted member 718]

Bolded by me -- I know I remember reading this, and I am fairly certain it was in a news source -- I am discovering that some of what I read since the case broke ---original artilces from local papers - has been edited out or altered in some way -- My post yesterday showed a quote from Sheriff White in a local news source that has dissappeard from the original source, but can be found in blogs all over the internet

White said Elizabeth spoke with her parents on the phone before she left her friend's house.

"Her parents said she should leave and get home," he told Fox.

​

Excerpted from http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,569338,00.html on October 23, 2009 (now gone from article)


Does anyone have any clues on where the "grandfather sent her home" statements came from?

I am still curious about the timelline and all of the discrepencies involving just who knew where any of these children were

Of course my guess is that the original reports were correct

I've also been looking Prof. Everything I read says Elizabeth was last seen at 6:15 pm.

"Cole County Sheriff Greg White said family members reported the girl left a friend's home around 6:15 p.m. She was supposed to walk back to her home, about a quarter mile away, and was last seen walking along Route D.

So, I take 'last seen' to mean someone actually saw her leave AB's home. Who would have reported seeing her?? Someone at AB's home? A neighbor? The only reference I can find to her being sent home are from comments at topix.

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/st-martins-mo/TD0L4C6QKR33PRDIV

 

[PeriodicalCuriosity]

I second--Jodibug was right!

 

[Jules71]

I found the "gf sent her home" theory not in an article from a news source, but in a comment on an article just now -- the commenter is defending E's mother (I tend to believe her, in that what she heard from her source)

What I took from this comment was that she was defending her in saying how could she have prevented this or picked her up when she didn't even know she was coming home. I don't really think it meant she was "sent home".

 

[paris_paris]

I think most of what ILC has said is true, and now that it's identity is close to being found out, it is backtracking. But, whatever.