MO - Elizabeth Olten, 9, St Martin's, 21 Oct 2009 #8

[ynotdivein]

znot related...not buying it./

A local with LE connections could help here. Was an unrelated warrant served in the neighborhood? Or did they serve one on then-suspect's house and for reasons related to the case later say that it was unrelated? LE did go out of their way for some time to protect the gender of the perp. We shouldn't assume that their other pronouncements were correct either. It is my understanding that LE can give out misdirected or incomplete info even in press releases, to assist in IDing actual perpetrators. Just my :twocents:

 

[danni]

I remembered something else being said about the warrant so I looked it up. I'm not sure how accurate this is, but I did find it from Fox news channel website.

"Sheriff's officials said Tuesday that a warrant served near a neighbor's house just hours after Elizabeth's body was found is unrelated to the case. The department said it was an arrest warrant that came during a traffic stop."

With everyone that searched every member of that household on case net wouldn't someone have seen something about a court hearing or recent charges due to something that had to do with that warrant? Come on. a TRAFFIC STOP then an arrest warrant is issued and served at the home at the same time that a missing person investigation is going on!
I call BS!

 

[Capri]

Remember we're dealing with the same sheriff that said there was "no foul play", and then a few hours later the perp led them to the body.

 

[ynotdivein]

It does sound fishy. The question about the warrant reminded me I had read something about a warrant being for a traffic stop so I had to look it up. I wonder if that means they arrested 2 people from that house at the same time for unrelated reasons.

Arrest warrant = warrant to obtain a person.

Search warrant = warrant to search defined premises for defined items.

They could have served an arrest warrant at the next door neighbors', for example, to find a person who had been charged with DUI for example.

If they served a search warrant, that warrant would be attached to a specific location/address and would need to list very specific items they were authorized to "search" for.

My understanding is that LE came to AB's home asking to do a search, were turned away, then went and obtained a search warrant--which would list address to be searched and a fairly detailed descrip of what they were searching for. Arrest warrant would imply they were looking for a person. Not sure when/how arrest warrant was issued for AB.

ETA: KBL, the initial report you posted--and thanks for the post!--only says an unrelated "warrant" was served at a neighbors'. The landscape I've seen looks pretty rural, so "neighbor" may not mean "4 houses away"... IDK, just trying to think this thru...

 

[MoEquineFan]

Lawlady - thank you for sharing the info on RP's blogs. I wasn't fortunate enough to see them and I was curious about what they said.

I'm wondering if you read blogs of KNP's from the same time frame? This was during the time that she was in California visiting her dad when RP came to meet him and her step-mother. At one point (after he left) she said she thought it was a good visit but according to him she was wrong - and she was no longer engaged.

Another post mentioned him telling her that he often thought of an ex - then they ran into the ex and he repeated to KNP that the ex said she was fat. It was devastating to her. Another blog mentioned how she confessed to him that she thought of a couple of exes often... <<ohhh the drama>>>

Then he wrote a poem after 4 months of dating asking her to marry him...

It just seemed like a very tumultuous relationship between two very immature people.

I recall discussing this the night that a few people read it... then ILC being very defensive of her blog before his "coming out."

I feel for anyone in the situation they are in - and not just because of the stuff with AB.

 

[danni]

Found it!!!!!

 

[ynotdivein]

Does anyone have the link to the "plot" website? You know which one I am talking about the one that showes plots/owners.

It was posted here (and left up) SEVERAL times so should be "legal" for me to ask for!

Thank you in advance to anyone that still has the website.

Danni, sorry that I don't. As a newbie I am sadly learning a lot from following this case, including "take screen shots of EVERYthing ASAP."

Sort of OT, but I do want to thank you for your posts here.

 

[Capri]

Lawlady - thank you for sharing the info on RP's blogs. I wasn't fortunate enough to see them and I was curious about what they said.

I'm wondering if you read blogs of KNP's from the same time frame? This was during the time that she was in California visiting her dad when RP came to meet him and her step-mother. At one point (after he left) she said she thought it was a good visit but according to him she was wrong - and she was no longer engaged.

Another post mentioned him telling her that he often thought of an ex - then they ran into the ex and he repeated to KNP that the ex said she was fat. It was devastating to her. Another blog mentioned how she confessed to him that she thought of a couple of exes often... <<ohhh the drama>>>

Then he wrote a poem after 4 months of dating asking her to marry him...

It just seemed like a very tumultuous relationship between two very immature people.

I recall discussing this the night that a few people read it... then ILC being very defensive of her blog before his "coming out."

I feel for anyone in the situation they are in - and not just because of the stuff with AB.

This guy is full of drama. What fool tells his current girlfriend that his ex-girlfriend thinks she is fat??? Girlfirend told him she was tired of fighting all the time, and the step-mother didn't even want him to come visit. Not all romance and roses there, I don't think. Add to that he (if it is ILC) comes on here, calls us at WS all "gossipy", and says he's lied about everything he said here, and he's fooled us all. haha. And we're supposed to like him, why? ?

 

[lawlady84]

Lawlady - thank you for sharing the info on RP's blogs. I wasn't fortunate enough to see them and I was curious about what they said.

I'm wondering if you read blogs of KNP's from the same time frame? This was during the time that she was in California visiting her dad when RP came to meet him and her step-mother. At one point (after he left) she said she thought it was a good visit but according to him she was wrong - and she was no longer engaged.

Another post mentioned him telling her that he often thought of an ex - then they ran into the ex and he repeated to KNP that the ex said she was fat. It was devastating to her. Another blog mentioned how she confessed to him that she thought of a couple of exes often... <<ohhh the drama>>>

Then he wrote a poem after 4 months of dating asking her to marry him...

It just seemed like a very tumultuous relationship between two very immature people.

I recall discussing this the night that a few people read it... then ILC being very defensive of her blog before his "coming out."

I feel for anyone in the situation they are in - and not just because of the stuff with AB.

I only actually read the blog entries by KNP that were originally posted here. But IMO [and ONLY IMO] it seemed to me KP felt he met his "soulmate" and he'd do anything to clean up his act to get her. It was a progression over years reading that he became confident and wanted to marry her.

What you're saying makes sense to me because IMO when RP and KN[P] met, RP was depressed and LOVED KN. And he was stressing to try to straighten out his life. if ANYONE thinks this is TMI, PLEASE let me know privately and I'll delete it even if the mods don't think it violates TOS -> RP seemed to really want to make himself better & swore to stop drinking/using drugs, and said he promised his church (*whatever church*) to swear sinning off.

IMO. IMO. IMO. IMO. I could be 100% wrong - but - from MY understanding that could be WRONG - ILC/RP was trying to redeem himself from past indiscretions.

AND If I were a 3rd party but had personal information - I personally would think it might help my karma helping. NOT saying RP thinks this. But I, Me, LawLady, if I were even periphally involved - we all would feel awful. But I'd still want to help and maybe this tiny bit helped.

 

[ynotdivein]

This guy is full of drama. What fool tells his current girlfriend that his ex-girlfriend thinks she is fat??? Girlfirend told him she was tired of fighting all the time, and the step-mother didn't even want him to come visit. Not all romance and roses there, I don't think. Add to that he (if it is ILC) comes on here, calls us at WS all "gossipy", and says he's lied about everything he said here, and he's fooled us all. haha. And we're supposed to like him, why? ?

Capri, this is what comes of missing the opp to see info IRT. Wish I'd seen his online info firsthand.

You're right, he's pretty much a jackass. Guess I kind of hope that even jackasses deserve a better roll of the dice than this guy got, and that sending him a little compassion can't hurt. Not in love with the guy, angry at him for what happened here. Wouldn't want to be in his girl's spot. Just hoping for some good thing to come out of all this...

Don't know if that makes sense and don't want to argue at all.

 

[MoEquineFan]

I only actually read the blog entries by KNP that were originally posted here. But IMO [and ONLY IMO] it seemed to me KP felt he met his "soulmate" and he'd do anything to clean up his act to get her. It was a progression over years reading that he became confident and wanted to marry her.

What you're saying makes sense to me because IMO when RP and KN[P] met, RP was depressed and LOVED KN. And he was stressing to try to straighten out his life. if ANYONE thinks this is TMI, PLEASE let me know privately and I'll delete it even if the mods don't think it violates TOS -> RP seemed to really want to make himself better & swore to stop drinking/using drugs, and said he promised his church (*whatever church*) to swear sinning off.

IMO. IMO. IMO. IMO. I could be 100% wrong - but - from MY understanding that could be WRONG - ILC/RP was trying to redeem himself from past indiscretions.

AND If I were a 3rd party but had personal information - I personally would think it might help my karma helping. NOT saying RP thinks this. But I, Me, LawLady, if I were even periphally involved - we all would feel awful. But I'd still want to help and maybe this tiny bit helped.

Having read many of your posts, I trust your opinions to be fair and accurate - Since I didn't read this progression of posts (I only saw immature rantings on other blogs he had written) I hope you're right and they both found themselves in a better place after all the adversity.

IF he is reading - or for the "friend" who IS reading - I wish KP and KNP the best, they didn't deserve this dive into their personal lives - I don't think we would be discussing this if certain things about them hadn't been mentioned.

 

[Capri]

Ynot divein- Not arguing with you either, I'm just not seeing the same person some of you seem to be. Once he posted this, I think he showed his true colors.
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Originally Posted by Ilovecookies
Quote:
I would like to point out that what people do on websites like this is damn wrong. Who cares about the KNP blog, or whether or not she converted to marry him, or even what religion they are.

Also, just to point out that you "slueths" have been duped. I'm what the internet refers to as a troll. I don't know anything about AB's family, I just reposted what I've been reading online. Also, I'm not even local, I'm from columbia, and haven't been to jefferson city in years.
As to my credibility, it is 0, but it is interesting to see that ANYONE can get on ANY of these sights, and pretend to be ANYONE they want to be. Also, it is pretty interesting to see that all of you clung to what I say as though it is fact. I'm actually surprised that you "gossips" haven't truly questioned my credibility before.

Anyway I guess I'll get banned now so for the last time,

ILC/Shadow2nose OUT!

 

[MoEquineFan]

I'm curious... does EVERYONE post their entire life - feelings, fits, depressed rantings, etc. on the Internet for anyone to see or is that reserved for attention seeking drama queens/kings? I am AMAZED at all of the things we have been able to read about these people. Even the fact that AB had an actual diary with things written that eventually resulted in her arrest seems beyond belief.

Maybe I'm just way behind the times and this is the norm. I just can't imagine ranting about people who could potentially read the rant (maybe they want that?) then leaving it out for the world to see. I dunno... just seems odd to me.

 

[MoEquineFan]

Ynot divein- Not arguing with you either, I'm just not seeing the same person some of you seem to be. Once he posted this, I think he showed his true colors.
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Originally Posted by Ilovecookies
Quote:
I would like to point out that what people do on websites like this is damn wrong. Who cares about the KNP blog, or whether or not she converted to marry him, or even what religion they are.

Also, just to point out that you "slueths" have been duped. I'm what the internet refers to as a troll. I don't know anything about AB's family, I just reposted what I've been reading online. Also, I'm not even local, I'm from columbia, and haven't been to jefferson city in years.
As to my credibility, it is 0, but it is interesting to see that ANYONE can get on ANY of these sights, and pretend to be ANYONE they want to be. Also, it is pretty interesting to see that all of you clung to what I say as though it is fact. I'm actually surprised that you "gossips" haven't truly questioned my credibility before.

Anyway I guess I'll get banned now so for the last time,

ILC/Shadow2nose OUT!

Just to make it clear, I am not bashing ILC - but since you posted this I have a comment that I didn't think of right away. This says, "...or whether or not she converted to be with him..." since it is clearly the other way around - and since one of his blogs was a spew to people who were questioning his religious decision... I wonder why this was worded this way.

Quite honestly, until this was posted I can't remember reading anything about one of them converting, etc. Granted, I missed a lot of what ILC said because of the deletions.

So either this person didn't know OR it was worded this way to make it seem like they didn't know.

 

[danni]

I'm curious... does EVERYONE post their entire life - feelings, fits, depressed rantings, etc. on the Internet for anyone to see or is that reserved for attention seeking drama queens/kings? I am AMAZED at all of the things we have been able to read about these people. Even the fact that AB had an actual diary with things written that eventually resulted in her arrest seems beyond belief.

Maybe I'm just way behind the times and this is the norm. I just can't imagine ranting about people who could potentially read the rant (maybe they want that?) then leaving it out for the world to see. I dunno... just seems odd to me.

HAHA if this is the new "norm" then I am way out of the loop. I had said once before here when someone said it would be normal for a 22 year old male to take a cell phone camera out when a mother is upset about her missing nine year old that I must have way to much going on in my life or have WAY to many responsibilities in life to be worried about these things. Sometimes hearing that these types of things are the norm I start to feel old. But then I think for a minute and realize that some people in life are just irresponsible IDIOTS!

 

[ynotdivein]

Ynot divein- Not arguing with you either, I'm just not seeing the same person some of you seem to be. Once he posted this, I think he showed his true colors.
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Originally Posted by Ilovecookies
Quote:
I would like to point out that what people do on websites like this is damn wrong. Who cares about the KNP blog, or whether or not she converted to marry him, or even what religion they are.

Also, just to point out that you "slueths" have been duped. I'm what the internet refers to as a troll. I don't know anything about AB's family, I just reposted what I've been reading online. Also, I'm not even local, I'm from columbia, and haven't been to jefferson city in years.
As to my credibility, it is 0, but it is interesting to see that ANYONE can get on ANY of these sights, and pretend to be ANYONE they want to be. Also, it is pretty interesting to see that all of you clung to what I say as though it is fact. I'm actually surprised that you "gossips" haven't truly questioned my credibility before.

Anyway I guess I'll get banned now so for the last time,

ILC/Shadow2nose OUT!

Capri, I totally get it. Saw this post IRT actually and given this plus what we've learned about this person since... argh. On the one hand I agree he is despicable. He abused our trust and I guess the question is can we be the better person and forgive that? Abuse of trust is a huge violation in my personal world, on many levels. On the other hand, he's hurting bad and my empathy gets the better of me sometimes. No solid answers here, or even solid questions... but thanks for responding. :heart:

 

[ynotdivein]

I'm curious... does EVERYONE post their entire life - feelings, fits, depressed rantings, etc. on the Internet for anyone to see or is that reserved for attention seeking drama queens/kings? I am AMAZED at all of the things we have been able to read about these people. Even the fact that AB had an actual diary with things written that eventually resulted in her arrest seems beyond belief.

Maybe I'm just way behind the times and this is the norm. I just can't imagine ranting about people who could potentially read the rant (maybe they want that?) then leaving it out for the world to see. I dunno... just seems odd to me.

MEF, I think this IS the norm, especially for young folks now. Where you and I may have scribbled in our diaries, this generation of kids has grown up with the internet and being instantly connected to all their friends (texts? twitter? OMG, I remember calling friends who didn't even have answering machines and you just didn't get in touch with them at that time!), and being able to dump every emotion online and get immediate response/attention from at least their peers, never realizing it could or would be seen by anyone else, because who else would be looking? This is why IMO so many pages stay up so long after cases break, not only this one... In my experience, for a teen to do this now is as normal as it once was not so long ago for you or me to run into our bedrooms and pour our hearts out into our journals. JMO.

 

[MoEquineFan]

MEF, I think this IS the norm, especially for young folks now. Where you and I may have scribbled in our diaries, this generation of kids has grown up with the internet and being instantly connected to all their friends (texts? twitter? OMG, I remember calling friends who didn't even have answering machines and you just didn't get in touch with them at that time!), and being able to dump every emotion online and get immediate response/attention from at least their peers, never realizing it could or would be seen by anyone else, because who else would be looking? This is why IMO so many pages stay up so long after cases break, not only this one... In my experience, for a teen to do this now is as normal as it once was not so long ago for you or me to run into our bedrooms and pour our hearts out into our journals. JMO.

Heck I didn't even keep a diary! If I felt THAT bad about something I didn't want to take the chance of someone else reading it! Everything passes - and then I forget - and life moves on. I really think you're right about the immediate attention/response. So many people throw things out there to see what kind of response they'll get.

Maybe this is exactly why there were no RED FLAGS thrown when people saw AB's online info ... if so many people are doing this she would just be one more person putting stuff out there for the sake of reaction. (From what we have seen most of her friends are doing the same thing.)

 

[Bibliophile]

That is what I was originally told. ILC said that was not true and that they welcomed them in. So I am not sure but they did have a search warrant.

Remember that the warrant was not served until after they were led to the body and they made the arrest.

Sheriff White has stated that it was physical and written evidence that led them to question AB - therefore it is most probable they had searched the house previously and were allowed to do so.

 

[Bibliophile]

I posted this a few days ago - #451

So was it an arrest warrant or a search warrant?

Out of curiosity, I googled to see what statements were released ----

JEFFERSON CITY, Mo. (AP) Monday, October 26, 2009 at 5:04 p.m.
-- "Police served a warrant at a neighbor's house just hours after finding the body of a 9-year-old Missouri girl. The Cole County Sheriff's Department served the warrant Friday night just several homes south of where Elizabeth Olten lived in St. Martins. Records don't indicate the type of warrant, and the department refused to comment Monday."

Associated Press - October 27, 2009 4:34 PM ET - "The Cole County Sheriff's Department served the warrant Friday night just hours after the body of Elizabeth Olten was discovered. The department said Tuesday the warrant was related to a traffic stop, not to the girl's death."

Tuesday, October 27, 2009 | 4:04 p.m. CDT
Columbia Missourian "JEFFERSON CITY — Authorities in mid-Missouri say a warrant served at a home in the neighborhood where a 9-year-old girl was found dead this past week was unrelated to the killing."

Chris Blank, The Associated Press, October 28, 2009 Springfield News Leader - "Sheriff's officials said Tuesday that a warrant served near a neighbor's house just hours after Elizabeth's body was found is unrelated to the case. The department said it was an arrest warrant that came during a traffic stop."