MO - Furious Friends Demand Answers After 3 Men Found Dead at Kansas City Home Days After Watching Football Game, January 2024 #4

[vls12345]

I'm also looking for information about how she got in - I can't find anything that says she broke a window - do you have that source handy?

"The woman initially knocked on the door, but when she received no response, she broke in through the basement and found one of them on a porch."

Police identify 3 men found dead outside of Northland Kansas City home

Police have identified the three men who were found dead earlier this week outside of a Northland Kansas City home as an investigation into their deaths continues.

www.kshb.com

Not sure if this indicates if she actually broke the glass to get in or not. But photos posted in the first thread show the basement window from the inside from real estate listings and, imo, if that is the window, she would have had to broken it to enter (unless it was already broken).

There was quite a bit of discussion about this on the first thread.

 

[al66pine]

LE's Early Statement, Not a Homicide Investigation.

Someone said, maybe the stmt was to reassure people in nearby neighborhoods that they didn't have to worry about BREAK-INS.

W'in a day or so of locating bodies, IF LE figured out that the deceased men were actually guests of the resident and drug ODs were involved/CoD, why issue a public warning to suggest no worries about break-ins. Not like a situation where there had been a rash of break-ins w similar M.O.s & LE made arrest(s) & said no worries, we took 'em off the street, in lockup now, so sleep easy.

OTOH, IF in early days, LE figured out street drug ODs caused their deaths, then why not issue a gen. reminder that street drugs contain unknown amts. fentanyl, cocaine, yadda yadda and can be deadly. LE could issue stmt. w'out specifically referring to these three deaths.

If LE wanted to warn anyone in metro KC early on, seems it could have focused on the STREET DRUGS (not saying that there's no homicide investigation), to catch the attn of ppl who USE street drugs, which MIGHT dissuade users from using them, possibly preventing further deaths.

ETA: seems silence on the Chief's part may have been a better stance at that point than saying not investigating as a homicide.
^imo

 

[MyBelle]

LE's Early Statement, Not a Homicide Investigation.

Someone said, maybe the stmt was to reassure people in nearby neighborhoods that they didn't have to worry about BREAK-INS.

W'in a day or so of locating bodies, IF LE figured out that the deceased men were actually guests of the resident and drug ODs were involved/CoD, why issue a public warning to suggest no worries about break-ins. Not like a situation where there had been a rash of break-ins w similar M.O.s & LE made arrest(s) & said no worries, we took 'em off the street, in lockup now, so sleep easy.

OTOH, IF in early days, LE figured out street drug ODs caused their deaths, then why not issue a gen. reminder that street drugs contain unknown amts. fentanyl, cocaine, yadda yadda and can be deadly. LE could issue stmt. w'out specifically referring to these three deaths.

If LE wanted to warn anyone in metro KC early on, seems it could have focused on the STREET DRUGS (not saying that there's no homicide investigation), to catch the attn of ppl who USE street drugs, which MIGHT dissuade users from using them, possibly preventing further deaths.

ETA: seems silence on the Chief's part may have been a better stance at that point than saying not investigating as a homicide.
^imo

I think LE issued the statement after some of the victims' loved ones implied to the press and on social media that JW was involved.

JMO

 

[al66pine]

How Could JW Miss Seeing Vehicles of Deceased? Parked Where?

Some posts asked about how JW could possibly have not seen the guests' vehicles for two days, based on assumption that vehicles were in JW's DRIVEWAY.

One source* said there were two both parked on STREET, purported to have had vid of same, so seems possible to me JW did not see imo, esp'ly if not parked directly in front of his house.

Any definitive/reliable source supporting the driveway parking? LE?

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* --- date? Vid interview by reporter Al Capriari (sp? I saw on his X page & News Nation).
JW's neighbor across the street showed Al C. cell phone vid from Tues. night when LEOs were at JW's house. If I heard correctly, neighbor said his cell vid captured the 2 guests' vehicles and pointed them out to Al C. Or did I mishear?
(sorry, no link)

FWIW, JW's atty (Personally, imo, not 100% accurate on all points)
--- Jan 21, updated Jan 22
"According to Picerno, two of the victims’ cars were parked on the street and none were parked in the driveway, and Willis didn’t notice them, adding: “It would not be unusual for his friends to have left their cars there overnight.”"

Attorney speaks after 3 men found dead outside KC home

The investigation continues after three bodies were found behind a home in Kansas City’s Northland, and for the first time, FOX4 is hearing from the attorney of the man who lives at the home.

fox4kc.com

 

[Forest_Wood]

How Could JW Miss Seeing Vehicles of Deceased? Parked Where?

Some posts asked about how JW could possibly have not seen the guests' vehicles for two days, based on assumption that vehicles were in JW's DRIVEWAY.

One source* said there were two both parked on STREET, purported to have had vid of same, so seems possible to me JW did not see imo, esp'ly if not parked directly in front of his house.

Any definitive/reliable source supporting the driveway parking? LE?

________________________________________
* --- date? Vid interview by reporter Al Capriari (sp? I saw on his X page & News Nation).
JW's neighbor across the street showed Al C. cell phone vid from Tues. night when LEOs were at JW's house. If I heard correctly, neighbor said his cell vid captured the 2 guests' vehicles and pointed them out to Al C. Or did I mishear?
(sorry, no link)

FWIW, JW's atty (Personally, imo, not 100% accurate on all points)
--- Jan 21, updated Jan 22
"According to Picerno, two of the victims’ cars were parked on the street and none were parked in the driveway, and Willis didn’t notice them, adding: “It would not be unusual for his friends to have left their cars there overnight.”"

Attorney speaks after 3 men found dead outside KC home

The investigation continues after three bodies were found behind a home in Kansas City’s Northland, and for the first time, FOX4 is hearing from the attorney of the man who lives at the home.

fox4kc.com

In the interview with the neighbor who made the video of JW in handcuffs, there were two vehicles on the street - one was a truck covered in snow; the other was a car that also had snow, but with the windows cleared off. If those were two vehicles of the men who died, then someone had been in the car after the snow settled, while the truck had been there before the storm. Perhaps the car did not belong to either man, but it stood out. MOO.

 

[vls12345]

In the interview with the neighbor who made the video of JW in handcuffs, there were two vehicles on the street - one was a truck covered in snow; the other was a car that also had snow, but with the windows cleared off. If those were two vehicles of the men who died, then someone had been in the car after the snow settled, while the truck had been there before the storm. Perhaps the car did not belong to either man, but it stood out. MOO.

If the car belonged to one of the men, maybe the fiancee that broke in first scraped snow off to see if, somehow, her fiancee &/or his friends were in the vehicle covered in snow? Or maybe after seeing one body in the backyard but not (apparently) noticing the others? Imo.

 

[LadyL]

"The woman initially knocked on the door, but when she received no response, she broke in through the basement and found one of them on a porch."

Police identify 3 men found dead outside of Northland Kansas City home

Police have identified the three men who were found dead earlier this week outside of a Northland Kansas City home as an investigation into their deaths continues.

www.kshb.com

Not sure if this indicates if she actually broke the glass to get in or not. But photos posted in the first thread show the basement window from the inside from real estate listings and, imo, if that is the window, she would have had to broken it to enter (unless it was already broken).

There was quite a bit of discussion about this on the first thread.

yeah and talk about a screen being removed that was in one picture ... I guess it doesn't matter at this point

 

[December]

In the interview with the neighbor who made the video of JW in handcuffs, there were two vehicles on the street - one was a truck covered in snow; the other was a car that also had snow, but with the windows cleared off. If those were two vehicles of the men who died, then someone had been in the car after the snow settled, while the truck had been there before the storm. Perhaps the car did not belong to either man, but it stood out. MOO.

The sun makes the windows a little warmer and the snow can fall off. (I have seen this happen with cars i know for a fact weren't driven and no one scraped the ice.)

I think those were their cars, i don't think anything happened to them in between them being parked until after the men were found.

 

[NCWatcher]

The sun makes the windows a little warmer and the snow can fall off. (I have seen this happen with cars i know for a fact weren't driven and no one scraped the ice.)

I think those were their cars, i don't think anything happened to them in between them being parked until after the men were found.

I know you are correct-- the sun can melt an awful lot of snow off cars. But IF all the car windows were cleared and none of the snow melted off the car itself, I find it a bit hard to believe only the sun did that. It also seems unlikely the sun would have melted snow off the windows on all four sides. I'm in the south and while we don't get much snow some winters, we occasionally have a fair amount of snow. In my experience, it's more usual snow gets melted off one side or maybe two "perpendicular" joined sides. If the sun was strong enough to do more from all directions, it would melt snow on the roof too and on the hood and trunk. And if it was that strong, how could the truck snow be untouched? Was it parked in complete and total all-day shade? Was that even possible? Also, the pictures local residents posted in earlier threads make it look like there wasn't that much snow. To me, it's a little more surprising the truck was still snow-covered sitting out in the open. Of course, in temperatures close to freezing as was apparently the case on the 9th during daylight, vehicle color can make a difference in melting too when snow is not heavy.

I don't see how the woman would have had a chance to clear the car after she found the body. Before she broke into the house (and per earlier discussion we do not know exactly when on the 9th she went there-- it may not have been only that night) she might have looked in the car for clues. And frankly, if it was the fiance's car (do we even know which vehicle-- the car or truck he supposedly owned?) to protect her presumably-alive fiance she might have made sure the car was "clean." (And admittedly, after finding a dead body that was not her fiance, I suppose she could have been in denial that her fiance was also dead and could have tried to "clean" the car then. But I doubt it. And would she have been allowed to do that once LE was there?) But in either case, would she have taken the time to clear it of snow? Seems she'd have done that only if she planned to drive it. Or I guess if she didn't have a key to the car and it was locked, she might have cleared a window to peer inside. But at night? And all the windows?

I know it's possible to use a de-icer spray or an vinegar spray right before it snows to keep snow and ice from sticking as easily. But I kind of doubt that was done when the men were balancing 60 beers on their hips, especially if snow was not in the forecast for Sunday night but for Monday night. Maybe there are some long-lasting sprays and one was applied earlier? Or the neighbor was wrong and it wasn't one of the men's vehicles? Or if it was completely cleared including most of the body the way a recently-driven car would be, maybe it was the fiancee's car? It probably doesn't really matter in the totality of the case but it IS odd.
MOO.

 

[December]

I only ever saw the cars from one side. It snowed a foot here, and i saw cars that looked like that on my street. No one was doing anything with them. So, i am just saying what I have seen irl compared to what I saw in the video.

The cars belonged to missing persons who turned out to be deceased. No one did anything with them. (Imo) Most people are not going to mess with someone else's car without either a good reason (general example, not applicable in this case: the car really needs to be moved because it's blocking something) or a bad reason (general example, not applicable in this case: vandalism). Jmo

The sun will not melt a foot of snow off roof or hoods because those are metal and therefore colder than the windows which reflect the sun therefore making it more effective.

If you have not seen this irl then i know this sounds weird. This is my opinion. I don't think anyone moved the cars. They were where their owners parked them until finally they were permanently moved.

Jmo moo

 

[NCWatcher]

I only ever saw the cars from one side. It snowed a foot here, and i saw cars that looked like that on my street. No one was doing anything with them. So, i am just saying what I have seen irl compared to what I saw in the video.

The cars belonged to missing persons who turned out to be deceased. No one did anything with them. (Imo) Most people are not going to mess with someone else's car without either a good reason (general example, not applicable in this case: the car really needs to be moved because it's blocking something) or a bad reason (general example, not applicable in this case: vandalism). Jmo

The sun will not melt a foot of snow off roof or hoods because those are metal and therefore colder than the windows which reflect the sun therefore making it more effective.

If you have not seen this irl then i know this sounds weird. This is my opinion. I don't think anyone moved the cars. They were where their owners parked them until finally they were permanently moved.

Jmo moo

I have seen sun melt snow on cars, sometimes in unusual ways. And maybe you are totally correct in what you've stated but
1) While snow totals often vary in a general location depending on the exact location, I don't believe it was reported a foot of snow fell on that street. If there had been a foot, obviously the snow would not have been a foot thick on the windows.
2) Metal vehicle bodies do attract heat from the sun especially when snow cover on the vehicle isn't terribly heavy. In fact, under some sunny conditions, metal will get warmer than glass. There will be some variation if the vehicle is a very dark color or a very light color.
3) Why was the truck still completely snow-covered? It didn't sound like it could have been in all-day shade from all directions to me.
4) If we are sure the neighbor is correct and those particular vehicles belonged to two of the dead men, which vehicle was whose? I don't recall seeing that reported. (Also, on a side note, I wonder if the family of the third vehicle-less man tried first to track down the man he was supposed to be with? Or was Man #3 driving too but left his vehicle somewhere else before coming to JW''s? I don't think anyone arrived with Man #5 but apparently some family thought he'd know where the others were on Monday? Why?)
MOO

 

[branmuffin]

The sun makes the windows a little warmer and the snow can fall off. (I have seen this happen with cars i know for a fact weren't driven and no one scraped the ice.)

I think those were their cars, i don't think anything happened to them in between them being parked until after the men were found.

It was partly sunny during the day on January 7th but the next few days were overcast with rain then snow. Probably AM recognized the car or even if she didn't she may have brushed snow from the windows to identify things in the interior as belonging to GM.

 

[Forest_Wood]

If the car belonged to one of the men, maybe the fiancee that broke in first scraped snow off to see if, somehow, her fiancee &/or his friends were in the vehicle covered in snow? Or maybe after seeing one body in the backyard but not (apparently) noticing the others? Imo.

Yes, that is a possibility. Although the snow was removed from the front windshield, the driver's side window, and the two passenger side windows. I can't tell if the snow was removed from the rear driver's side or the rear window. I would think if it was the fiancee checking to see if anyone/anything was in the car, she might clear one window off, or two, in a frenzied way to get a look inside, but not remove all the snow from each window like that. To me, it looks like someone cleared all the windows off to drive it. There was also snow removed from the side of the passenger front door by someone possibly using their hand/arm in a downward motion. It would be interesting to know if there were tire treads in the snow from the car driving away or returning after the snow began. MOO.

 

[al66pine]

Vehicles of the Deceased. Parked Location?
@vls12345 ... @December ... @Forest_Wood ... @branmuffin ... @NCWatcher
Thanks to all for sharing ideas about snow melting by the sun, snow brushing by Fiancee or others, car tread/tracks in snow, w STREET parking, etc. All good possibilities.

Back to part of my earlier question:
Credible source supporting guest vehicles were parked on DRIVEWAY?

I'm not "pushing" for driveway parking.
Rather IF driveway parking is ruled out, seems to support plausibility that JW did not see vehicles, esp'ly if they were not parked directly in front of his house. That, plus being partially or fully snow covered.

Any links to driveway parking, that I/we missed?

 

[vls12345]

Vehicles of the Deceased. Parked Location?
@vls12345 ... @December ... @Forest_Wood ... @branmuffin ... @NCWatcher
Thanks to all for sharing ideas about snow melting by the sun, snow brushing by Fiancee or others, car tread/tracks in snow, w STREET parking, etc. All good possibilities.

Back to part of my earlier question:
Credible source supporting guest vehicles were parked on DRIVEWAY?

I'm not "pushing" for driveway parking.
Rather IF driveway parking is ruled out, seems to support plausibility that JW did not see vehicles, esp'ly if they were not parked directly in front of his house. That, plus being partially or fully snow covered.

Any links to driveway parking, that I/we missed?

Not sure where people were parked. But, I posted in an earlier thread re: my thoughts on driveway parking. I'll copy & paste here:

I know a group of middle-aged friends who get together often and sometimes drink a lot. In those cases, the ones who don't live there either stay overnight or get a ride from uber or a sober friend. Cars left behind for a day or two or three is entirely normal because the car stays there until the person coordinates another ride to go get their car. With work or family or other obligations, sometimes getting the car isn't the top priority (especially if in the meantime they have access to transportation like a SO's vehicle, own a 2nd car or motorcycle, a work friend who lives nearby and will swing by to get them for work, ability to walk or bike where they need to go, or don't need the car because they work from home or don't need to go out for a few days).

Anyway, I could see how JW wouldn't think twice about a car or cars left there as long as his access wasn't blocked.

 

[MyBelle]

In the interview with the neighbor who made the video of JW in handcuffs, there were two vehicles on the street - one was a truck covered in snow; the other was a car that also had snow, but with the windows cleared off. If those were two vehicles of the men who died, then someone had been in the car after the snow settled, while the truck had been there before the storm. Perhaps the car did not belong to either man, but it stood out. MOO.

Those vehicles were parked in front of the neighbor's house on his side of the street which makes sense because cars have to be parked in the direction street traffic is flowing. The neighbor may have cleared the snow trying to figure out who they belonged to.

JMO

 

[NCWatcher]

Vehicles of the Deceased. Parked Location?
@vls12345 ... @December ... @Forest_Wood ... @branmuffin ... @NCWatcher
Thanks to all for sharing ideas about snow melting by the sun, snow brushing by Fiancee or others, car tread/tracks in snow, w STREET parking, etc. All good possibilities.

Back to part of my earlier question:
Credible source supporting guest vehicles were parked on DRIVEWAY?

I'm not "pushing" for driveway parking.
Rather IF driveway parking is ruled out, seems to support plausibility that JW did not see vehicles, esp'ly if they were not parked directly in front of his house. That, plus being partially or fully snow covered.

Any links to driveway parking, that I/we missed?

The only mentions I'm sure I've seen of driveway parking are here on WS in a few posts. Those posts didn't document the driveway parking with any links to MSM though. I may have seen a comment from a family member suggesting the cars were in the drive and should have been seen but if so, I cannot find it now.

It sure sounds like they were parked on the street. It seems to me if they were, JW could have easily missed them even if he had looked out a front window. I wouldn't necessarily notice cars on the street near my house. And if he really thought the 3 men left, why would he be looking to make sure their cars were gone? We also don't know if he knew they arrived in 2 not 3 vehicles. His attorney did say no vehicles were in the driveway and sometimes JWs friends would leave vehicles outside his house after partying. So he could have thought they left in Car #3 if he thought about it at all (which I don't think he did.) Lawyer: ‘Sets record straight’ after 3 bodies found outside Northland home
MOO
Edit: Typo correction

 

[Forest_Wood]

Vehicles of the Deceased. Parked Location?
@vls12345 ... @December ... @Forest_Wood ... @branmuffin ... @NCWatcher
Thanks to all for sharing ideas about snow melting by the sun, snow brushing by Fiancee or others, car tread/tracks in snow, w STREET parking, etc. All good possibilities.

Back to part of my earlier question:
Credible source supporting guest vehicles were parked on DRIVEWAY?

I'm not "pushing" for driveway parking.
Rather IF driveway parking is ruled out, seems to support plausibility that JW did not see vehicles, esp'ly if they were not parked directly in front of his house. That, plus being partially or fully snow covered.

Any links to driveway parking, that I/we missed?

The only thing I can say is that if they were parked in the street where the neighbor filmed those two vehicles (car+truck), I think they might have been very easy to notice, if a person was looking for them. The truck is directly outside his front door. The car, just across the street and down a bit from his front door facing the opposite direction. I can't tell in this video if the neighbor captured JW's driveway. It's too dark to notice but seems he was focusing on the doorway and the vehicles in the street, which he said were parked there for days. MOO.

Kansas City neighbor took video the night bodies were found

“I was in disbelief, I watched that happen,” Ashton Brady says after witnessing his neighbor being detained by police.

www.newsnationnow.com

 

[amaraya]

Maybe JW himself doesn't really know.

This makes sense especially if he was also drinking heavily and doing drugs

 

[December]

I don't think it snowed enough to completely cover the vehicles (such as as if the are just humps in the snow). I think someone looking at them could easily tell what kind of cars they sere, the colors of them, etc. Enough to recognize them. Especially since they would literally be there, only a few feet away, and know exactly what they were looking for..

It snowed a foot here, cars were pretty covered but not buried. It was VERY COLD, but sunny and the snow fell off the window of the cars. But unless someone cleaned them, was still on the hood and tops.

My car didn't have any snow on it, so i don't know how perfectly the snow really melted off the windows. But, it looked sort of similar to the video. This is also the same snow storm.. i think.