MO - Grand Jury Proceedings in the shooting case of teen Michael Brown#2

[sonjay]

Rachel Lippmann ‏@rlippmann 7m7 minutes ago
.@stlcountypd will be taking over the security of all protests in #Ferguson at the request of the city's police.

I'm so glad the Ferguson police will have a break from dealing with that every day & night.

It'll be interesting to see if & how the protesters treat the St. Louis Cty. police differently.

 

[katydid23]

I'm so glad the Ferguson police will have a break from dealing with that every day & night.

It'll be interesting to see if & how the protesters treat the St. Louis Cty. police differently.

I noticed that some of the lawsuits for brutality were brought against St Louis PD.

 

[reedus23]

That's great if the newly registered actually do vote!

That's the key as the article says. I suspect turnout will be more than typical this year but not as big as some would like to see and the real question will be what kind of turnout are they getting in 10 years.

 

[Lovejac]

IIRC, it had a "banner" streaming across the bottom to the effect that the site's twitter account would be announcing when the site would be going live. So I don't think it had the live red box in the corner. Maybe LJ can recall?

I was watching yungdude3 on USTREAM last night

 

[popsicle]

Jason Rosenbaum ‏@jrosenbaum 5m5 minutes ago
Is it just me or is it odd to send out a press release to say the media can't go to something?

 

[sonjay]

ARTICLE V. OFFENSES AGAINST PUBLIC ORDER


https://library.municode.com/HTML/10768/level3/PTIICOOR_CH29OF_ARTVOFAGPUOR.html#TOPTITLE

Reading through that, it would almost be easier & shorter to list the offenses the protesters haven't violated vs. the ones they have. They've violated most of those.

Loud noise, offensive language addressed in a face-to-face manner to a specific individual, threatening to commit a criminal act against any person, unreasonably and physically obstructing vehicular or pedestrian traffic, unreasonably and physically obstructing free ingress or egress to or from a public or private place, unlawful assembly, rioting, refusal to disperse, loitering, curfew for persons under 18..... it just goes on and on.

How about this one?
Any person, while in a public place, who utters in a loud, abusive or threatening manner, any obscene words, epithets or similar abusive language. Words merely causing displeasure or annoyance are not prohibited.

IMO, many of the threats, as well as the death chants, qualify as "obscene words, epithets or similar abusive language."

 

[popsicle]

Rebelutionary Z ‏@Rebelutionary_Z 1m1 minute ago
UPDATE: 11/13 arrestees will be released WITHOUT bond thanks to these people (from connections they have, I'm told).
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BzDZTzlCAAAQDqA.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BzDZTzmCYAAr6sP.jpg

 

[Lovejac]

Upcoming Ferguson Town Hall meetings

https://twitter.com/Yamiche/status/518153365369655296

 

[katydid23]

I'm so glad the Ferguson police will have a break from dealing with that every day & night.

It'll be interesting to see if & how the protesters treat the St. Louis Cty. police differently.

The City officers have been out there as back up quite often. They are treated with scorn as well.

I am not sure how this new procedure will work. I assume the protestors will continue to congregate at the FPD station. So the city cops will have to travel there. And if there is a surge and they need back up, who else but FPD to do so? So I think it is going to be the same cops but the billing will be different. The St Louis division will foot the bill. But I don't think the situation will be much different.

 

[Lovejac]

Jason Rosenbaum ‏@jrosenbaum 5m5 minutes ago
Is it just me or is it odd to send out a press release to say the media can't go to something?
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So many of the agitators play to the cameras. I'm glad they're not allowed to attend.

 

[TheDuchess]

Rebelutionary Z ‏@Rebelutionary_Z 1m1 minute ago
UPDATE: 11/13 arrestees will be released WITHOUT bond thanks to these people (from connections they have, I'm told).
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BzDZTzlCAAAQDqA.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BzDZTzmCYAAr6sP.jpg

Why are they bothering to make arrests if they are letting these people out without bonds???

 

[Lovejac]

Rebelutionary Z ‏@Rebelutionary_Z 1m1 minute ago
UPDATE: 11/13 arrestees will be released WITHOUT bond thanks to these people (from connections they have, I'm told).
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BzDZTzlCAAAQDqA.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BzDZTzmCYAAr6sP.jpg

Aren't connections great :happydance: But I wonder why the other 2 arrested don't have any people calling in favors for them

I hope they thank their lucky stars and stay home or learn how to peacefully protest.

 

[katydid23]

Reading through that, it would almost be easier & shorter to list the offenses the protesters haven't violated vs. the ones they have. They've violated most of those.

Loud noise, offensive language addressed in a face-to-face manner to a specific individual, threatening to commit a criminal act against any person, unreasonably and physically obstructing vehicular or pedestrian traffic, unreasonably and physically obstructing free ingress or egress to or from a public or private place, unlawful assembly, rioting, refusal to disperse, loitering, curfew for persons under 18..... it just goes on and on.

How about this one?
Any person, while in a public place, who utters in a loud, abusive or threatening manner, any obscene words, epithets or similar abusive language. Words merely causing displeasure or annoyance are not prohibited.

IMO, many of the threats, as well as the death chants, qualify as "obscene words, epithets or similar abusive language."

On the live stream I keep hearing the marchers saying ' we weren't blocking anyone, no one was there.' But that is not how the law works. There doesnt have to be a car or a pedestrian present in order for there to be 'blocking' happening. Just by standing there in the driveway or street nor walkway, you are blocking anyone who would WANT TO pass by.

Also, they keep asking loudly ' what about our rights to FREE SPEECH?' Like they have the right to scream EFF YOU in a cops face or chant for the DEATH of an officer because it is a constitutional right. You can't scream FIRE in a crowded theatre.

 

[DebinGA]

Rachel Lippmann ‏@rlippmann 7m7 minutes ago
.@stlcountypd will be taking over the security of all protests in #Ferguson at the request of the city's police.

That seems to say it's St Louis County PD stepping up, not St. Louis City PD. St. Louis City PD is 1/3 AA with the population ~1/2 AA. St Louis County PD is 10% AA with a population 25% AA. I wish St. Louis City's more diverse force were more of a presence in Ferguson.

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/...cle_a29dc3e4-91bb-5cf5-9b30-9ebb95c5e1c6.html

The whole St. Louis city/StL County/North City/North County/East St. Louis, etc., is very confusing to me.

 

[Lovejac]

Why are they bothering to make arrests if they are letting these people out without bonds???

I hear ya But at least FPD has made their point, LOUD and CLEAR. I'm thinking we won't have to worry about this group of 'protesters' acting up again.

Aww. I just realized they're not going to have much fun during the Oct 10-13 thiingy that they have been planning

 

[sonjay]

The City officers have been out there as back up quite often. They are treated with scorn as well.

I am not sure how this new procedure will work. I assume the protestors will continue to congregate at the FPD station. So the city cops will have to travel there. And if there is a surge and they need back up, who else but FPD to do so? So I think it is going to be the same cops but the billing will be different. The St Louis division will foot the bill. But I don't think the situation will be much different.

Sadly, I suspect you're right.

 

[popsicle]

Camille Phillips @cmpcamille · 8m8 minutes ago

I'm @stlcountypd waiting for Chief Belmar to talk. St. Louis County PD is taking over security detail in #Ferguson.

Belmar: it's a challenge for a 54 member force to handle level of activity in #Ferguson

Belmar: I'm going to have commanders down there on a daily basis. They will have authority to manage crowds and enforcement. #Ferguson

Belmar: one of the challenges has been getting info out to protesters and community about arrests etc. 1/2

Belmar says that they plan on having media updates late every evening.

Belmar: this will be ongoing as long as we need it. It will protect the rights of protesters. #Ferguson

Belmar: bc #ferguson protesting is in a public area we have some discretion in enforcing ordinances and violations.

Belmar: tone we are setting in #Ferguson is important.

Belmar: some nights there's not a lot going on, some there's more.

Belmar: I can count on the support of #Ferguson pd and other munis. I don't foresee anything like we saw before.

Belmar: I hope by being able to establish a media presence things will be more transparent. #Ferguson


Belmar: this would be a challenge with a force of 186 let alone 54. #Ferguson

 

[TheDuchess]

Isn't that the truth!!??

And yes, people were arrested for interfering with other arrests. I thought the LEOs handled the situation in a calm, professional manner. They didn't rush the protesters. In fact, they practically strolled out there. People had plenty of time to just turn around and take off. I don't think LEOs would have given chase.

The irony of those live streams is that most are being done to "document" the treatment of the protesters by others (LEOs and citizens such as the restaurant owner). However, to me it's having just the opposite effect and documenting the actions of the protesters, thus making their lies about events show just how far they are going to exaggerate police (and citizen) actions. We, the watchers, are witnesses to the truth, regardless how protesters or "witnesses" or MSM outlets sugar coat it.

So true. I think it is laughable tow watch some of the carrying on some of these people do to try to make it look like the police are "roughing them up" (remember the grimace???) some of them remind me of the great Dennis Rodman's amusing techniques for drawing a foul. You'd see that multi-cored head of his bouncing all over, long arms and legs flailing all over the place. That's what these people do she screaming "record it." I especially enjoyed watching the one woman twisting and comforting her body while the LEO was trying to cuff her and screaming "he's twisting my ARM!!!!" Ummm...no ma'am. Actually YOU are twisting your ARM and YES we did get it on video! LOL!!

 

[sonjay]

Aww. I just realized they're not going to have much fun during the Oct 10-13 thiingy that they have been planning

That FergusonOctober thing worries me. They've got a lot planned for those 4 days.

 

[katydid23]

Why are they bothering to make arrests if they are letting these people out without bonds???

I know... I know *raises hand*

At least one of these arrestees was arrested last week as well. Those arrested last night were part of a group called Millennium [ or something like that.] They are the frontline hardcore instigators. So now they have this one arrest. If they come back and break the same laws tomorrow or the next day then it gets more serious with each arrest. So the bond does not matter that much to the cops. it is just getting them in the system that is important.