MO - Grand Jury Proceedings in the shooting case of teen Michael Brown

[reedus23]

What happens if they ignore the amnesty and continue to ignore the warrants? Arrest? Jail?

If they're ever caught. Yepp. City don't want that though. They want their money. Costs too much to jail everyone with warrants for traffic violations anyways. Seems to me it's a win/win for everyone.

 

[BJS]

no, another twittering, live-streaming "journalist" of today's new social media

Bassem Masri & Brett aka Umar Lee are 2 different people

LOL...."journalist"! Thanks. I'm not sure I've had the pleasure of hearing/seeing one of Umar Lee's --well, what would you call his news program? Which livestream is he? Wait...........do I really want to know?

 

[popsicle]

Argus Streaming News ‏@argusnewsnow 4m4 minutes ago
Introducing the Argus Media team: @ArgusRadio @Rebelutionary_Z @stackizshort @AnonOpsPro @iamh2ohh
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/By5B103CAAIenW6.jpg

 

[LambChop]

Just remember to keep the political information to what is related to MB.

Thanks

 

[BJS]

Argus Streaming News ‏@argusnewsnow 4m4 minutes ago
Introducing the Argus Media team: @ArgusRadio @Rebelutionary_Z @stackizshort @AnonOpsPro @iamh2ohh
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/By5B103CAAIenW6.jpg

Media Team? Stupidity and delusional are not a good cocktail!

 

[Klood-N]

Per weather.com, looks like there might be storms in Ferguson tonight. Maybe that coupled with so many being sick will keep it calmer.

Rain and thunderstorms should sweep through the area on Wednesday night and into Thursday. The weather will be unsettled through about midnight on Thursday. We will keep a close eye for rain and thunderstorms. Some of the storms could be severe.
http://fox2now.com/

 

[katydid23]

LOL...."journalist"! Thanks. I'm not sure I've had the pleasure of hearing/seeing one of Umar Lee's --well, what would you call his news program? Which livestream is he? Wait...........do I really want to know?

Umar is the brains behind " NOJUSTICENOBASEBALL"

 

[BJS]

Umar is the brains behind " NOJUSTICENOBASEBALL"

Well, now, that does take brains! LOL

 

[Frydaddy]

Some people see oppression, some don't. I don't see oppression specific to the MB case, though I certainly have seen spin and rhetoric on either side, though I suppose that is to be expected. I agree there is exploitation as well. I agree that I wish the protesters had more "legitimate" people leading their cause instead of people like Shahid. But, my personal view, is that there is an oppressive system in place in north county, but that extends beyond LE and isn't necessarily directly tied to the MB case. Regarding Johnson's comments, IMO one can also state that they agree with SOME of the things being said without saying that they agree with the manner in which it is being said. That is what I hear Johnson saying. I will admit, that's probably not what the protesters are hearing though. It was the same with Jackson.

In principle, we are in agreement here. There is clearly oppression present in The Lou. I think it's mostly systemic and partly self-inflicted. Bottom line is, until and unless the people are willing to take some ownership of their part the problems and participate in the solutions, nothing substantive will change. If it's only LE doing the changing, the problem has a better chance of getting worse rather than better. The culture needs to change, police can't do much in that regard.

I personally don't know if I agree that Johnson is there simply to appease. He also brought out the BUMs when necessary. From my perspective, it's just a balancing act Johnson is having to perform. If he comes out swinging too big of a stick, he will not stop the miscreants from burning more buildings. He can't stop miscreants from shooting at LE. He is balancing putting all of his officers at risk and the public's safety at risk in exchange for what? Getting people to stop beating on a drum? Getting people to stand 10 feet back on the sidewalk? If I'm honest about it, officers make judgment calls every day as to whether or not to enforce laws. Do they ticket the person driving 40 in a 44? Do they ticket the person crossing in the middle of the street instead of the crosswalk? Do they arrest the minor with a 12 pack or just pour out the beer?

I don't expect a lock down, I just expect the give and take to go both ways. They've opened meetings to people, brought in federal officials to listen and dictate rules, they're forgiving warrants by the hundred thousand. They're being as PC as they can without selling out. Yet, the fallout from a no-bill announcement will look the same as it would if they did none of that stuff. Again, they are addressing the rhetoric, not the actual problems.

It is also my opinion that just because more people don't participate in the protests doesn't mean that they don't believe there needs to be change in Ferguson. First and foremost, many probably do understand the system and are going to let it play out as it relates to OW so they're not going to protest for things that aren't going to happen and can't happen under our system. Others aren't going to show up and protest regardless but they will show up to town hall meetings or council meetings. As an aside, those are the people IMO that will ultimately bring about change, not the protesters. Some don't feel there's anything wrong with the system as is but I'd love to see a poll of Ferguson residents that asks just that question, Do you (I used the "you" word but in reference to Ferguson resident) believe there is oppression in Ferguson?

I am sure they would answer in the affirmative. I'd prefer to ask what they find oppressive about their lives and visit every single respondent who cites systemic problems rather than rhetorical ones. I'd ask those people to articulate how they would deal with gangsters and thugs. I'd imagine their answers wouldn't look much different than how LE deals with them now.

 

[BJS]

In principle, we are in agreement here. There is clearly oppression present in The Lou. I think it's mostly systemic and partly self-inflicted. Bottom line is, until and unless the people are willing to take some ownership of their part the problems and participate in the solutions, nothing substantive will change. If it's only LE doing the changing, the problem has a better chance of getting worse rather than better. The culture needs to change, police can't do much in that regard.



I don't expect a lock down, I just expect the give and take to go both ways. They've opened meetings to people, brought in federal officials to listen and dictate rules, they're forgiving warrants by the hundred thousand. They're being as PC as they can without selling out. Yet, the fallout from a no-bill announcement will look the same as it would if they did none of that stuff. Again, they are addressing the rhetoric, not the actual problems.



I am sure they would answer in the affirmative. I'd prefer to ask what[/] they find oppressive about their lives and visit every single respondent who cites systemic problems rather than rhetorical ones. I'd ask those people to articulate how they would deal with gangsters and thugs. I'd imagine their answers wouldn't look much different than how LE deals with them now.

You seem to have a very good understanding of the situation in Ferguson....and elsewhere, for that matter. Thank you for your insight.

 

[Klood-N]

Umar is the brains behind " NOJUSTICENOBASEBALL"

Actually, he was in charge of the diversion event, #NoJusticeNoFootball.

 

[cady]

Just remember to keep the political information to what is related to MB.

Thanks

May I humbly ask what any of this banter has to do with the "Grand Jury Proceedings", as advertised by the title of this thread? JMO

 

[BJS]

Actually, he was in charge of the diversion event, #NoJusticeNoFootball.

Okay, I did see him "grant them his permission to have the football game!" LOL So many journalists, so little time these days!

 

[BJS]

May I humbly ask what any of this banter has to do with the "Grand Jury Proceedings", as advertised by the title of this thread? JMO

Hm, grand jury is still in session, still seeing evidence. Nothing to report. We're bantering...for the hell of it?

 

[popsicle]

May I humbly ask what any of this banter has to do with the "Grand Jury Proceedings", as advertised by the title of this thread? JMO

It relates back to the Ferguson council meetings that everyone there attended... well, not everyone.

 

[Klood-N]

Cady, see LambChop's post #57.

 

[LambChop]

Just want all of you to know you are doing a great job. Lots of information gathering from the livestream. It's great to be among the protestors through the lens of the cameras because you feel you are right there, whether you agree with what they are doing or not. I know it gets stressful when they act out but always remember they do have a right to protest (although I do not care for them calling for DW's death) but it is a lesson for us all to be able to watch this and discuss it as it happens. I know I'm getting an education. LOL

Thanks

 

[LambChop]

May I humbly ask what any of this banter has to do with the "Grand Jury Proceedings", as advertised by the title of this thread? JMO

Let me explain. The protestors are protesting because Officer Wilson was not arrested for the death of Michael Brown and the prosecutor sent the case to the Grand Jury. For the protestors everything is about the Grand Jury, the prosecutor, LE, Capt. Johnson, etc. Everything is connected. We are all waiting for the Grand Jury's decision which should be coming up pretty quickly. Hope that makes sense.

 

[popsicle]

Charles Wade ‏@akacharleswade 11m11 minutes ago
“@handsupunited_: We are starting our #CivilDisobedience training with the following question: "What are you fighting for?" #Ferguson”

 

[reedus23]

In principle, we are in agreement here. There is clearly oppression present in The Lou. I think it's mostly systemic and partly self-inflicted. Bottom line is, until and unless the people are willing to take some ownership of their part the problems and participate in the solutions, nothing substantive will change. If it's only LE doing the changing, the problem has a better chance of getting worse rather than better. The culture needs to change, police can't do much in that regard.



I don't expect a lock down, I just expect the give and take to go both ways. They've opened meetings to people, brought in federal officials to listen and dictate rules, they're forgiving warrants by the hundred thousand. They're being as PC as they can without selling out. Yet, the fallout from a no-bill announcement will look the same as it would if they did none of that stuff. Again, they are addressing the rhetoric, not the actual problems.



I am sure they would answer in the affirmative. I'd prefer to ask what[/] they find oppressive about their lives and visit every single respondent who cites systemic problems rather than rhetorical ones. I'd ask those people to articulate how they would deal with gangsters and thugs. I'd imagine their answers wouldn't look much different than how LE deals with them now.

1st paragraph - Couldn't agree more.
2nd paragraph - I think those things are a start. And by making a start and showing that those in power are willing to talk and to address issues and make changes where appropriate, those who resort to violence after a no-bill should be arrested immediately IMO. I think that is the importance to the fact that some things have been done and other things are being discussed. It undercuts any that would like to riot after a no-bill.
3rd paragraph - Again, agree. Where's katydid's flying pigs? I have always said that part of all this change has got to include the citizens of Ferguson doing their part to combat crimes and thugs. I'm still frustrated, for example, that I haven't heard of anyone "turning in" those who fired shots just a couple of days ago. The residents are going to have to step up as well and I'm not just talking about some cleaning their lives up. I'm saying those that already have their lives cleaned up have to become more vocal within their community. More active in it.