MO - Grand Jury Proceedings in the shooting case of teen Michael Brown

[reedus23]

In Ferguson, protesters and police forced to learn as they go amid continued standoff

Acting on a complaint by a business owner, police descended on the encampment...
Last week, police said the owner no longer wanted them on the property and gave them six days to leave. Eight days later, the group still had not left. So the chief said his officers “helped them move” by picking up their belongings and sending them to a storage facility 20 miles away.

Police Chief Thomas Jackson said his department is trying to use “a variety of tactics and trying to see what works best.” He is most interested, he said, in breaking up any scenario that could cause a disruption.

“The tactics we use is largely determined by the number of, not to use the word ‘agitators,’ but people interested in causing chaos,” Jackson said. “If they are in the crowd, they can heat things up and change the mood.”

“People are angrier now than ever before,” said Patricia Bynes, the Democratic committeewoman for Ferguson Township.

“I just pray there is an indictment,” Moore responded. “If not, I don’t know if we’ll be okay.”

“It’s personal,” she said. “I was 6 years old when the police killed my dad.”

Her father, William Darnell Harlston, was shot by an off-duty St. Louis officer in 2001. Harlston, according to media reports, had robbed two men selling stuffed animals.

“All I know was he went to get beers and never came back,” Jones said. “So I’m going to fight for Mike Brown, and for him, and for me.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...6c7980-481b-11e4-a046-120a8a855cca_story.html

Long interesting read. It's not surprising that some of the protestors breaking the law and wishing death on LE have criminal records (Bassem, Shahid, Vickers) or their family does, which just makes me think of Michael. Jones' father shot the two vendors, per articles online. There's a resentment toward authority and consequences among some in that area.

Well, I had done a longer post on this and it went poof. So the condensed version. I happen to know William Darnell Harlston's uncle, Mel Harlston, who's referenced in this article on the shooting of William. BTW, the guys were running a gambling racket, not selling stuffed animals on the streets of St. Louis. http://www.riverfronttimes.com/2001-10-17/news/good-cop-bad-cop/full/

Mel is a colorful but quiet guy with a crazy past. That article talks about what happened to William. Mel's dad, back in the day was convicted of voter fraud for pulling the lever for himself a dozen times. http://mo.findacase.com/research/wfrmDocViewer.aspx/xq/fac.19780411_0003.MO.htm/qx Mel's dad was also involved in the unions and Jimmy Hoffa. At some point, his mom was asked to wear a wire and became a witness for the government and Mel and his mom were put into witness protection, given new identities and and moved to California. Mel did a couple years of law school but never finished before deciding to leave witness protection and return to St. Louis. That's why he's an administrator and not a lawyer at a law firm.

For some interesting reading material on part of the colorful history of St. Louis back in the day, look up Jimmy Michaels, Paul Leisure, George Faheen that were all involved in the unions in the years after Hoffa's disappearance. I was just a kid, but we had a neighbor who was in one of these families who up and left town (they weren't otherwise involved in the rackets).

 

[krimekat]

http://news.stlpublicradio.org/programs/st-louis-air

the interview will be replayed tonight at 10p central & usually they post the interviews on their website

 

[katydid23]

Missouri State Senator Maria Chappell- Nadal defended her tweet stating there was a rumor that the grand jury had made a decision whether to charge Darren Wilson in the shooting death of MIchael Brown, Jr.
http://www.kmov.com/special-coverag...s-tweet-about-grand-jury-rumor-277687941.html

For anyone coming in late, both McCulloch and Magee from the prosecutor's office publicly stated this was false. See her Darren Wilson answer in video.

When asked about whether she thought it was true that OW was not going to be indicted she said they were preparing for that possibility, and said " "where there is smoke, there is often something coming from that smoke..."

What does that mean? LOL

 

[reedus23]

Well, I had done a longer post on this and it went poof. So the condensed version. I happen to know William Darnell Harlston's uncle, Mel Harlston, who's referenced in this article on the shooting of William. BTW, the guys were running a gambling racket, not selling stuffed animals on the streets of St. Louis. http://www.riverfronttimes.com/2001-10-17/news/good-cop-bad-cop/full/

Mel is a colorful but quiet guy with a crazy past. That article talks about what happened to William. Mel's dad, back in the day was convicted of voter fraud for pulling the lever for himself a dozen times. http://mo.findacase.com/research/wfrmDocViewer.aspx/xq/fac.19780411_0003.MO.htm/qx Mel's dad was also involved in the unions and Jimmy Hoffa. At some point, his mom was asked to wear a wire and became a witness for the government and Mel and his mom were put into witness protection, given new identities and and moved to California. Mel did a couple years of law school but never finished before deciding to leave witness protection and return to St. Louis. That's why he's an administrator and not a lawyer at a law firm.

For some interesting reading material on part of the colorful history of St. Louis back in the day, look up Jimmy Michaels, Paul Leisure, George Faheen that were all involved in the unions in the years after Hoffa's disappearance. I was just a kid, but we had a neighbor who was in one of these families who up and left town (they weren't otherwise involved in the rackets).

ETA - And just to be clear, Mel openly talks about this stuff so it's not anything he objects to people knowing as far as the witness protection stuff goes. Those days are long ago and the players dead, locked up or moved on.

ETAA - Could have sworn I hit edit, not reply. Hmmmm. Surely user error. My apologies.

 

[Klood-N]

Some talk online that since the police report is not complete yet, there's a cover up. They must've missed the part about transcription, additional witnesses, etc.

 

[Klood-N]

Saw a protestor online say look at all the amnesty programs, protesting works. Is that truly the message officials want to send? Keep being disruptive and breaking the law because it'll benefit you?

 

[DebinGA]

McCulloch mentioned that grand jurors are free at ask any questions they want of any witness, and call for specific evidence that hasn't been presented. I wouldn't be surprised if every black person OW ever arrested has been summoned and asked about the encounter.

 

[Klood-N]

McCulloch mentioned that grand jurors are free at ask any questions they want of any witness, and call for specific evidence that hasn't been presented. I wouldn't be surprised if every black person OW ever arrested has been summoned and asked about the encounter.

I would. I'm sure they know no complaints have been filed on him. Which is particularly interesting given Zotos' statements now about Brooks' arrest in 2013.

 

[DebinGA]

Saw a protestor online say look at all the amnesty programs. Protesting works. Is that truly the message officials want to send? Keep being disruptive and breaking the law because it'll benefit you?

Despite the protesters' "They think it's a game" chant, the protesters keep tweeting "we won". It's definitely a game and giving them "wins" along the way might be enough for many, avoiding a full Vesuvius on no-true-bill day.

 

[katydid23]

Some talk online that since the police report is not complete yet, there's a cover up. They must've missed the part about transcription, additional witnesses, etc.

Last Saturday night, when that crazy volatile rumor went out, that the cops had 'shot another boy' , I was watching the twitter world. It was amazing to see the 'facts' that were used as 'evidence'----- I.e. tweet= the cops put crimes scene tape up, so that means there was a deadly shooting there. [ turns out it was just where they were staging as they looked for the shooting suspect who shot the cop.]

oR
tweet= cops wanting us to leave from front of police station, so they can bring back the boys dead body secretly

tweet= That paddy wagon went around the back of the station, must have the body in there...

THERE WAS NO BODY but the tweets went on all night and even the next morning, accusing the cops of killing an innocent boy 'again.'

 

[CHERIE.T]

Saw a protestor online say look at all the amnesty programs, protesting works. Is that truly the message officials want to send? Keep being disruptive and breaking the law because it'll benefit you?

No sheet! hwow:

 

[Klood-N]

Magee tells CNN, , “The investigation has been basically completed that is being conducting by both the FBI and St Louis County PD.”

http://fox2now.com/2014/10/01/police-basically-complete-with-michael-brown-shooting-investigation/

Per McCulloch's comments, sounds like they're wrapping things up and finalizing it. People online are confusing this to mean there is no report.

 

[popsicle]

CNN Breaking News ‏@cnnbrk 2m2 minutes ago
Investigation into Michael Brown's shooting death "basically completed," prosecutor says. http://cnn.it/1uBZKs7

 

[Klood-N]

Despite the protesters' "They think it's a game" chant, the protesters keep tweeting "we won". It's definitely a game and giving them "wins" along the way might be enough for many, avoiding a full Vesuvius on no-true-bill day.

They've also clearly stated they will not be satisfied without an indictment. I believe that. Not holding them accountable now just means they'll feel more outrage when held accountable in the future.

Moo

 

[CHERIE.T]

They've also clearly stated they will not be satisfied without an indictment. I believe that. Not holding them accountable now just means they'll feel more outrage when held accountable in the future.

Moo

You are once again spot on Klood.

 

[Klood-N]

Darn CNN. "Basically complete" and complete have very different connotations.

 

[DebinGA]

["The investigation has been basically completed that is being conducted by both the FBI and St. Louis County PD," Ed Magee, the spokesman for the prosecutor's office, told CNN.]

Maybe that means the LE investigation is complete, but the grand jurors may request and receive additional info before/during their deliberation.

 

[Klood-N]

St. Louis Co PD say investigation not done, report not done & report won't be made available until after case closed (no indictment/trial)
https://twitter.com/WesleyLowery/status/517355146884300800

Prosecutor Bob McCulloch says that no police report has been filed yet regarding shooting of Michael Brown - says PD still collecting info
https://twitter.com/WesleyLowery/status/517369852093153280

Per Magee's "basically complete", these quotes, and McCulloch's statements seems clear to me the final police report is not finished yet and they're still working.

And we know the grand jury is continuing its investigation from McCulloch's statements today.

 

[Trident]

Anyone else have a wee problem getting on site?

 

[Klood-N]

Yep. I think it went down for a bit.