MO - Grief and protests follow shooting of teen Michael Brown

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  • #1,001
I disagree. They could not have instantly come out publicly with those pictures, while the family was grieving their newly deceased son. That would have been very insensitive. It might have created it's own backlash.

They needed time to get their own facts in order too. Investigations take time. But while they were putting their info together, Dorian was out telling his own version of the story. And I think he was making things up. And getting the public all riled up and angry.

Yes. They could and should. They should have reported from the beginning that MB was a suspect in a robbery and there was video and pics. That he was shot in the process of arrest.
It is not insensitive to report the facts.

Sorry, but no. If they have the facts and know there is video they make a statement that is truthful and informational.
 
  • #1,002
Maybe because LE knows that even if MB was a possible criminal, that doesn't justify their use of deadly force. Because id hope that in this country we are not okay with just gunning down anyone suspected of a crime.

I cannot believe there are so many who are okay with letting police have this kind of power.


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I'm not okay with LE acting as judge, jury and executioner..

Stealing doesn't equal the DP for me..

I just feel like a cover up has taken place. I just tweeted for the Chief to release the autopsy report, that needs to be known. I don't believe this officer should have walked up as he did and empty his gun to a surrendering Mike Brown. Arrest him, charge him with the theft but death isn't the right sentence to me...

SMH
 
  • #1,003
You are joking, right? Look at him intimidating the tiny guy who is cowering.

Good grief.

My second question was, do we have absolute confirmation that the person in the still is Brown?
 
  • #1,004
Wow, just got reminded from the Kendrick Johnson thread that Crump was involved in that as well.
 
  • #1,005
Yes. They could and should. They should have reported from the beginning that MB was a suspect in a robbery and there was video and pics. That he was shot in the process of arrest.
It is not insensitive to report the facts.

Sorry, but no. If they have the facts and know there is video they make a statement that is truthful and informational.

I agree with this...absolutely agree...cause right now it feels like a cover up of sorts...This should have been told on the onset and nothing would have risen to the level it did with all the violence from others..

Those who are seeking justice for Mike Brown still feel he should not have been executed over stealing..I agree.

Now to get the info if Mike Brown hit the officer or if it was the car door...either way, the officer exited his vehicle and emptied his weapon to a person who was surrendering, that makes me ill...
 
  • #1,006
The problem is he is not the only witness. There are 3 witnesses. And they all reported the same thing. Why didn't they arrest Dorian that day?! Why is he walking around free and on the news if there was a crime like this?

Im sorry. Something stinks in this case and it was all made worse by the govt.


2 of the witnesses are friends of the deceased. So their testimony is suspect, imo. The female witness only saw the tail end of the incident.

Why wasn't DJ arrested? I think the town would have blown up, gone into total riot if the cops had arrested him at the beginning. jmo
 
  • #1,007
Maybe it was the pics of his hands on the smallers guys collar, next pic. appeared to have shoved him. Does Big Bully work for you? Looks like he has robbery item in his hand. Suspect in pic is said to be wearing(per CNN) a St. Louis Cardinal baseball hat. Michael Brown was wearing same attire.

When I posted my question I did not know that it was verified that Brown was the person in the stills. Thank you for your response.
 
  • #1,008
I'm not okay with LE acting as judge, jury and executioner..

Stealing doesn't equal the DP for me..

I just feel like a cover up has taken place. I just tweeted for the Chief to release the autopsy report, that needs to be known. I don't believe this officer should have walked up as he did and empty his gun to a surrendering Mike Brown. Arrest him, charge him with the theft but death isn't the right sentence to me...

SMH

He wasn't shot for stealing those cigars. He was shot for assaulting a cop and trying to take his gun.
 
  • #1,009
My second question was, do we have absolute confirmation that the person in the still is Brown?

Look at the photo of Brown on the ground and compare it to the video still.
 
  • #1,010
I also got a sneaking feeling the reason why the QS was burned was to destroy evidence (like the pictures)

I don't think QS will be rebuilding a new store in it's place. JMO

Yeah I don't think QT will rebuild either, they are generally in the nicer areas of town. After this I think a lot of businesses (and residents) will be pulling out of Ferguson. That has a way of "poor areas" getting a whole lot poorer as the tax paying businesses, and many citizens leave the area.

I never thought about the video, well run stores burn video of an incident like a robbery onto a CD immediately after it occurs and give it to the police etc... Burning the store down hours/days later wouldn't have impacted the video, especially not at a well organized chain like QT.
 
  • #1,011
My second question was, do we have absolute confirmation that the person in the still is Brown?

It's Brown. Dorian has confessed to the FBI already and returned the cigars.
 
  • #1,012
I have not commented on this case, but have watched from afar. What I feel is sad, is that the Black Panthers and Rev Jackson and the like are typically the ones that incite discord and racial tensions. Can I just say that it is a terrible thing that a young man lost his life. But, I fear for the safety of our police officers as well. They have a very tough job to do. Often times, the riots and the public judgement of the police officer's conduct is quick and without all of the facts being laid out. We do have those "witness" accounts, but as one who has followed WS for years, witness accounts can be SO wrong SO often.

Here in Utah, last year (or maybe the year before), a young girl was shot and killed by police officers. She was white, the officer was white. It didn't make the national news. No big riots. No big scene. His claim was that he thought she was going to run him over with her car. He actually was eventually charged and found guilty in her death. The charges didn't come immediately. They also didn't come because of pressure from the press. They came about from the normal course of an investigation that took time.

Also here in Utah, just the other day, a young white boy was shot and killed by a white police officer. Once again, no press. No yelling or riots. Was it a tragedy? Absolutely! Does the family think it was unjustified? I am not certain yet, but I believe that they do based upon their claims that he was unarmed.

There is reverse racism in America all of the time unfortunately. Those that claim that they want equality are often the ones that create the divide. When during one of the past riots (I believe over Trayvon Martin) happened, and a very innocent elderly woman was killed by a black man during those riots; where was the outrage?! I was outraged!! Those kinds of acts, the looting, the violence - these never bring back the dead. They just cause more to be injured - unnecessarily! They do not bring about justice. They just continue the divide that shouldn't exist.

I believe that police officers make mistakes. After all, they are human. But, I also believe that they put their lives on the line every day for us - the public. I respect them and I appreciate their service. I hope that there are not mistakes made, but we are all human. How many police officers are killed in the line of duty every week? How many times are there protests and huge informational, nationwide incidents made out of these deaths?

I hope that justice will be served either way. My personal belief in this case is that the officer will eventually be cleared. It sounds to me like he was threatened, and the suspect was fleeing (at least initially). Deadly force is not something to be used lightly, but public safety is supposed to be the officer's first concern.

Stepping down now off of my soap box! Sorry for the long post!!
 
  • #1,013
Keith Boykin

‏@keithboykin

Capt. Ronald Johnson criticizes Ferguson police chief press conference, says alleged robbery separate from shooting. pic.twitter.com/4PMGFx1MKJ
 
  • #1,014
No matter who did what, where or when, does not justify the punishment.
 
  • #1,015
Keith Boykin

‏@keithboykin

Capt. Ronald Johnson criticizes Ferguson police chief press conference, says alleged robbery separate from shooting. pic.twitter.com/4PMGFx1MKJ

Who is Capt. Ronald Johnson? Thanks
 
  • #1,016
No matter who did what, where or when, does not justify the punishment.

Getting shot wasn't "punishment". It was self-defense, IMHO.
 
  • #1,017
I think in this case I feel bad for the community and all the pundits who showed up as upset as I was that this just looked like a man walking down the street and then shot by cops. It looked so bad.

And now we find out that there is more to it. That there was a crime and the officer confronted MB.

My issue is that still we need to know how far MB was when shot and where the bullets are.
But this debacle still IMO lays at the feet of the police for not being forthcoming with information.
 
  • #1,018
Yes. They could and should. They should have reported from the beginning that MB was a suspect in a robbery and there was video and pics. That he was shot in the process of arrest.
It is not insensitive to report the facts.

Sorry, but no. If they have the facts and know there is video they make a statement that is truthful and informational.

THEY DID say that back in the very beginning. The very earliest reports aid that the cop was searching for suspects in a strong armed robbery. But obviously the shooting took precedence and some of the earlier info was ignored or overlooked.

You make it sound so easy. Putting forth information during a time of civil unrest is not always that easy. Who knows what is going to set a match to a powder keg?
 
  • #1,019
My second question was, do we have absolute confirmation that the person in the still is Brown?

I am no expert, but when looking at the photos in PS, you can make out the same exact shoes.

Wearing the same clothes: mistaken identity, maybe. Wearing everything AND the shoes, really large coincidence or the same person.

For the record, these are stills, we don't even know from what day. I am sure IF there is video, experts are all over this now that the DOJ is involved.
 
  • #1,020
Who is Capt. Ronald Johnson? Thanks

Capt of Highway patrol. He came in two nights ago to help with the protesting and supported them.
 
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